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Charlie Rangel (D-Al Qaeda): "Clark can save this G*dd*amn Nation from self-destruction"
Time Magazine ^ | September 21, 2003 | KAREN TUMULTY

Posted on 09/21/2003 7:02:09 AM PDT by nwrep


Sunday, Sep. 21, 2003
The General Jumps In

Wes Clark has launched a presidential bid that has a four-star luster. But is the antiwar general prepared for this kind of battle?

By

KAREN TUMULTY

Wesley Clark was top of his class at West Point, a Rhodes scholar, a decorated four-star general and the man who humbled Slobodan Milosevic when Clark was Supreme Allied Commander in Europe. But if he made any impression at all on many Americans, it happened after he retired and found stardom on cnn as one of the smoothest and most antiwar of the corps of generals turned commentators during the Iraq war. So maybe it was not such a surprise that just 11/2 hours after Clark made another career leap last week, he could be found in his spartan Little Rock, Ark., office, remote control in hand, transfixed by the talking heads' first take on his newborn presidential campaign. "A placeholder for Hillary Rodham Clinton," Pat Buchanan huffed from the screen. "I think we're seeing the idea percolating here of a Clinton-Clark ticket." Clark sighed and hit the mute button. "Oh, brother," he said. "Politics."

Welcome aboard, sir. Clark's announcement that he was running landed like a rocket-propelled grenade in the messy bunker that is the Democratic presidential field. He's off to a late start, but thanks to an Internet-driven draft movement, Clark has the beginnings of an organization and the promise of millions of dollars. Making the rounds of Democratic salons in New York and Los Angeles in recent weeks, he has wowed some of the people who could gather millions more. Within 24 hours of getting into the race, Clark had a list of congressional endorsements more impressive than anyone else's except former House Democratic leader Dick Gephardt's.

But politics quickly proved a trickier terrain for the telegenic antiwar general than even the battlefields of Yugoslavia. Only a day after his announcement, Clark told reporters on his campaign plane that if he had been in Congress last fall, he probably would have voted for the resolution authorizing President Bush to use force in Iraq. In a single sentence he had undermined the rationale for his whole candidacy—at least for those who saw him as Howard Dean with stars and a war record. Clark seems to have realized this himself, for the next day he reversed course. "I would never have voted for this war," he told the Associated Press. "I've gotten a very consistent record on this." His flip-flop delighted some of his rivals. "If it doesn't get any better than the first 24 hours," says a strategist for another Democrat, "he's going to be gone in two weeks." Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi, is warier. "The other campaigns make a mistake if they don't take him seriously," Trippi says. "It's going to take a month or two to know what to make of him."

What's most striking about the Clark boomlet is how little his supporters really know about the candidate in whom they have invested such sudden and stratospheric hopes—a man who didn't declare himself a Democrat until a few weeks ago and who says he isn't sure whether he voted for a Democrat for President before Bill Clinton ran.

"He can save this goddam nation from self-destruction," declares New York Congressman Charles Rangel, who is arranging a meeting for Clark with the Congressional Black Caucus, possibly as early as this week. But Rangel acknowledges that he has never met Clark in person (they have talked on the phone) and didn't know a thing about Clark until he started catching the general's criticism of the Iraq war on cnn. The same was true of Sylvia Gillis, 57, an insurance broker who was among the 50 or so people who gathered to toast Clark's candidacy last Wednesday night at Frankie Z's Clark Bar in Chicago. "My mouth dropped open—a military man taking this antiwar position," she said. "He seemed honest, trustworthy, well versed and intellectual. My dream come true."

In fact, for Gillis and others like her who joined the draft-Clark movement that sprang up over the Internet this summer, there was something of a Field of Dreams quality to it all. They had built it; he had come. In that sense, the Clark blitz has less to do with the candidate than it does with the political landscape around him. Even as Democrats are beginning to believe for the first time that President Bush may actually be vulnerable, they are increasingly worried that they have not yet seen the Democrat who can beat him. Many are intrigued by the excitement and money that Dean has generated but are concerned that Dean is too dovish, too insubstantial, too cranky to survive the first presidential contest of the post-9/11 era. As for the rest of the field, it looks like a blur to most voters. "Frankly, none of them have gotten people very excited," says Eli Broad, a billionaire Los Angeles philanthropist who is one of the party's largest and most influential donors. "Wes Clark just might do it."

Adding luster to Clark's aura with dissatisfied Democrats is the perception that he is running with the benediction of Bill and Hillary Clinton. The former President has certainly stoked this impression; he has been talking up Clark's virtues in public and private for months, and a few weeks ago, he declared that his wife and Clark were the "two stars" of the Democratic Party. And no one could fail to notice that the Clark effort is salted with operatives from the campaigns of Clinton and Al Gore, like Mickey Kantor and Mark Fabiani.

The suppositions have left the Clintons in a difficult spot, say some of their associates. They don't want to say anything that makes them look as if they are distancing themselves from Clark, but they are uncomfortable with the perception that they favor him over any other candidate. Says an adviser to Hillary Clinton: "She just wants one of them to emerge, and just wants one of them to beat Bush." It appears that Hillary's husband knows which Democrat he wants to emerge: the junior Senator from New York. Two sources close to the Clintons have told TIME that the former President has been urging his wife in private to reconsider her pledge not to run for President in 2004 and pondering the most feasible way for her to back out of it.

For all the excitement he generated with his announcement, Clark's first days as a candidate were anything but smooth. Besides his waffle on the Iraq vote, he seemed uncertain about how to answer some straightforward questions that more experienced candidates handle with ease. When the Miami Herald asked his position on the death penalty, Clark endorsed a moratorium on executions, then pleaded, "Stop. Stop. I promised I wasn't going to take a strong position." His campaign first said he would participate with the nine others in this week's Democratic debate in New York, then said he wouldn't because he was committed to making a paid speech in Texas, then reversed again and said he would.

The mishaps did little to quell the private talk in Washington that Clark is a little bit, well, odd. Some saw a touch of Ross Perot in the man who implied in June that the Bush White House had pressured him to link 9/11 to Saddam Hussein, and then backtracked by saying the call had actually come from a Canadian think tank with access to "inside intelligence information." He also claimed the Administration had tried to get him fired from cnn. Clark insisted to TIME that he had never said that was anything more than a rumor.

On a post-announcement swing through Florida and Iowa, Clark deflected questions on issues that ranged from aids in Africa to the Patriot Act. But that did not dampen the enthusiasm of the supporters who greeted him wherever he went. "National security will be the primary topic during next year's election, and I believe he is the person who can beat George Bush," said Kate Lawrence, 52, a secretary from Dubuque who was part of the overflow crowd at a long-scheduled lecture Clark delivered Friday at the University of Iowa. A sampling of the audience's views suggests that Clark may be drawing supporters who might otherwise have gone to Dean or Massachusetts Senator John Kerry.

But it is fair to ask whether Clark will continue to appear so attractive as a candidate if things start looking up in Iraq. In his hour-long interview, Clark said he expects them to. "I want the United States to succeed," he said, adding that by the time the election rolls around, "I would be surprised if they hadn't achieved substantial troop reductions."

But a pacified Iraq, he insisted, does not change his rationale for running or his critique of the Bush Administration's foreign policy as both simplistic and destructive. "The election is about how to take the country forward," he said. "What's your real strategy for going after al-Qaeda now? Do you continue to take down states? Since we've gobbled up Iraq, why don't you send two divisions into Syria and take Syria out, and then drive over the pass to Beirut, sweep down into the Litani Valley and take out the Hizballah from the rear? It sounds logical, plain, neat and simple, but nothing ever is."

Clark is a smaller man than he appears to be on television, and more intense. As he talks, he leans forward on the front edge of his chair, elbows on knees, pulling out his buzzing Blackberry every few moments. (His campaign staff is threatening to take it away from him.) He is clearly at ease with some domestic policy issues—dissecting the Bush tax cut, for instance, and citing a string of figures to explain why he wants to retain the breaks for the middle class while eliminating the ones for high-income Americans. On other subjects—health care and education, for example—his positions have not yet congealed, though he promises they will soon. And he has a depth of knowledge that can surprise people. When asked about forestry issues during a small dinner two weeks ago in Los Angeles, he said, "Do you want me to describe it vis-a-vis Idaho or Utah or Montana?"

Clark may be new to politics, but he insists he has done a risk assessment like any prudent general. "It isn't like any other endeavor," he says. "It's enormously complicated. You're dealing with a lot of factors you don't understand." At one point when he was trying to decide whether to run, his wife Gert suggested that he put all his thoughts on paper. Clark tried but then discarded his notes. "I realized I couldn't quite get it down," he says. Is he too late? Too untested? Too new to the game? "You just basically have to announce," Clark says, "and take your chances."

—With reporting by Steve Barnes/ Little Rock, Simon Crittle/ New York, Kristin Kloberdanz/ Chicago, Betsy Rubiner/ Iowa City, Viveca Novak and Michael Weisskopf/ Washington and Jeffrey Ressner/ Los Angeles


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; alqaeda; antiwargeneral; britain; cbc; clintonalumni; clintonhaters; electionpresident; saceur; treason; wesleyclark
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To: SevenDaysInMay
I refuse to read the article because of Rangel's comments, but I can readily say with certainty that Charles Rangel and his ilk have done more to destroy this country than a hundred generals could. I want to throw up at the thought of another president who would get Rangel's blessing, such as the immediate past draft dodger.
61 posted on 09/21/2003 11:57:15 AM PDT by billhilly (Nominate Big Al Sharpton for fearless behavior.)
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To: nwrep; ChadGore
More idiots and insanity. Rangel, pfffffffft! Clark doesn't know squat and has no opinion on any issue and admits it, Clark the Sheeple of the Peeple!
62 posted on 09/21/2003 1:27:28 PM PDT by JustPiper (A fortress earns greatness by enabling courageous defenders)
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To: nwrep
So, Weasley "Saddam is not a crimminal" Clark gets an endorsement from a guy who hates America with every fibre of his being. Not surprising.
63 posted on 09/21/2003 1:30:04 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: dennisw
Poor old charlie has lost his bling-bling
64 posted on 09/21/2003 1:30:45 PM PDT by snooker
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To: nwrep
But Rangel acknowledges that he has never met Clark in person (they have talked on the phone) and didn't know a thing about Clark until he started catching the general's criticism of the Iraq war on cnn.

Must have gotten his instructions from the Hildebeast or how would he know that Clark could save this "goddamn nation".

What a disgusting lying racist (Rangel). Clark is traitor, thus much beloved by the Clintons.

65 posted on 09/21/2003 1:35:56 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: Mr. Mojo
from a guy who hates America with every fibre of his being.

Rangel is from NYC, he and his minions want to make the rest of the country a socialist hell hole.

The United Socialist States of Amerika.

NYC is about as American as Tijuana.

66 posted on 09/21/2003 1:39:32 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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To: nwrep
Rangel is only mouthing what Hillary told him to say. That's all he ever says!
67 posted on 09/21/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America - The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Clark is just another ambitious, perfumed prince, masquerading as a retired general.
68 posted on 09/21/2003 3:59:13 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator
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To: nwrep
I swear, every time I see or hear Rangel I have an overwhelming urge to check the bathroom to insure everything is guest-worthy. Ever since I had a dream where he was running his traitorous mouth until I flipped the handle and watched his face swirling away.
69 posted on 09/21/2003 5:16:26 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Rhymes with "dangle". As from a rope.)
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To: mrustow
I came out top of my class and struggle. Something about having a conscience and an aversion to screwing over the weak has seemed to cost me a lot of selfish opportunity. I'd not trade that for Rangel's place for all the world.
70 posted on 09/21/2003 5:24:06 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Verily he doth sucketh.)
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To: geedee; ohioWfan; Wphile; afraidfortherepublic; Freedom'sWorthIt; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; ...
Don't miss geedee's post (in red, hard to miss-LOL!) I understand that passion and appreciate it mightily!

And I hate, AND I MEAN HATE, to hear ANYONE using our Father's name in vain.

I used to swear in a likewise manner, many years ago, and infrequently, but still, I did it and now wish I could take back everytime I used it, now I HATE TO HEAR OUR FATHER INCLUDED in such a horrible manner.

To hear a CONGRESSMAN using our Lord's name in damning our nation makes me sick at heart.

I just wanna spank that Rangel nitwit good and hard on his pompous ass (yep, ASS, donkey that he is, < snort > ) and send him to bed with a copy of our constitution. (As if he could understand it...< sigh > )

Nothing wrong with a good four letter word now and then, but interjecting the Three letter name for GOD or the five letter name for Jesus or the six letter name of Christ is PATHETIC!

71 posted on 09/21/2003 5:29:21 PM PDT by Republic
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To: nwrep
Save this country from what?
We're safer now than we were during the rapists presidency. Back then, we were constantly attacked, and no one did anything. Imagine if Democrats were still in charge. How many more Americans would they let the terrorists kill? Four years could kill thousands of American men, women, and children if they were running the fort.
Is this man insane? Does he drink a lot?
72 posted on 09/21/2003 6:09:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: nwrep
I didn't need Ann Coulter's book to understand the size and scope of TRAITORS on American soil. The House and Senate are loaded with them.
73 posted on 09/21/2003 6:12:04 PM PDT by HadEnough
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To: AngrySpud
Excellent point. Though I have a feeling he will dig up an old buddy from his Vietnam service who can be quoted favorably.

Or the third cousin of a buddy that knew a buddy of his. A muslim/Catholic/Baptist/Buddist/ Jewish one.

74 posted on 09/21/2003 6:14:30 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Republic
To hear a CONGRESSMAN using our Lord's name in damning our nation makes me sick at heart.

Ditto!!!
Voting Democrat is an extremely unwise move. It's an ignorant, uninformed vote in favor anti-American, anti-Rightous facism.

75 posted on 09/21/2003 6:27:15 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: OldFriend
"Rangel is one america hating ba$tard."

I was just getting ready to say the same thing. At least the freepers know this man for what he really is.

We could save this nation only when we remove the communist Rats. Of course, that would be the end of television and movies. That would be OK.

76 posted on 09/21/2003 6:31:18 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: nwrep
Rangel has his head stuck so far up his ass, his staff have to cut in switchback trails to get to it.
77 posted on 09/21/2003 6:31:31 PM PDT by irish_lad
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To: Paladin2
"Only if he starts by waging war against CR."

CR???

Communist Rats??

Oh, Charlie Rangle..

78 posted on 09/21/2003 6:35:34 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: Republic
Thank you kindly. I had to go outside and walk around the block after reading the crap Rangel had to say. It hit me during the stroll that crap like THAT is THEIR plan.

THAT being screaming foul lies so loudly that the volume drowns out the hate of the message, and trying to intimidate those already put off by politics so they won't exercise their right to vote, and filling the airwaves and newspapers with such venom that nothing else gets any airtime, and before long the minority becomes the majority because us silent worker-ants are so disgusted with the whole process that we refuse to participate any longer . . . thereby making their minority and destructive views and lifestyles acceptable by reason of default.

THEIR being any perverted, traitorous sicko with a cause . . . whether it be sexual, Darwinian, political, or religious.

And, Republic, dammit, I'm not taking their BS any longer. We became the power we are because of our sense of faith . . . to these libbers and perverts God has become a four-letter word.

What I'm going to do is this . . . EVERY TIME some jackass like Rangel spews vile and despicable crap, me and a few friends are going to approach the SAME entity -- whether it be a newspaper or TV channel -- and try to "coerce" them into seeing it for the poison that it is. If they can't be reasoned with, or won't give us a "free" venue to air an opposite view, we're going to try and pay for the privilege. In other words, if the New York Slimes is carrying something untrue and/or wrong and they refuse to listen to us, as you and I both know they do all the time and will certainly ignore us, we're planning on taking out advertisements explaining both situations -- that the Slimes is an unapologetic mouthpiece for racist hate-mongers. Where? I don't know yet, there's only three of us on board so far and I'm sure the Slimes' ad rates are prohibitive. None of us are rich, but we're not poor either. I've already told my family not to expect an inheritance and we'll just do the best we can.

Will we make a difference? Hell no, we know that. Not at first. And not by ourselves. But I'm too damned old to be embarrassed and too damned stubborn to care what others think . . . so we're gonna make a lotta noise, Republic. You'll hear us one day. Then you'll start doing something. Then someone else will hear you and they'll start doing something. And so it goes . . . before long we'll be a force to be reckoned with instead of the silent doormats we are now.

Taking on and neutering the hate-filled zealots is far more important than anything else I could leave the next generation. Hell, Republic, they became so damn powerful on my generation's watch and it's only fair that we be the ones to take them on.

Us baby-boomers have become complacent. While we worried about supporting our families and trying to assure their lives would be fuller than ours, we've lost sight of the truly important things. Nothing else matters if you don't have faith. Nothing else matters if you don't have self-respect. Nothing else matters if deviancy becomes normal and acceptable. Nothing else matters if the so-called Progressives get and retain power because they'll progress our asses out of business just like Caligula did the Romans.

Historians will tell you the Roman Empire fell somewhere between 400-500 A.D. They're wrong. The Roman Empire fell between 37-41 A.D. -- when Caligula ruled. It only took the world 400 more years to realize it.

Charles Rangel is our Caligula. Pee Wee Clinton is our Caligula. Teddy Kennedy is our Caligula. Every disjointed pervert is our Caligula.

But me and a few of my friends are going to start fighting back tomorrow. I refuse to let jackasses like Charles Rangel win.

79 posted on 09/21/2003 6:47:22 PM PDT by geedee (Us pro-lifers would've made an exception for Pee Wee Clinton if we'd known.)
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To: geedee
More power to you!
80 posted on 09/21/2003 6:59:41 PM PDT by txrangerette
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