Posted on 09/21/2003 8:34:13 AM PDT by joan
In particular, until the mass media starts to deal with this sort of evidence, I see no option to to view ALL of the charges I've ever seen or read against Serbs as BS and garbage.
What did Lenin say about useful idiots?
The truth is a defence, but it isn't on your side in this matter.
Please make a note of it.
One thing of interest is that birthrates for rural families, whether they be Serb, Croat, or Muslim (to include Albanians) are similar throughout the Balkans.
Bloody Catholics - they think that every time they have sex they have to have a child.
Yes dear, but we have two children and...
That's beside the point.
I have no idea why I find that so damn funny, but there you have it.
One assumes that they were closed down because they REFUSED to backtrack from the statements in question. At least have the decency to keep your BS logical.
Other than that, the story has been carried all over the place and not just on LM
I do not say that they at any time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann under cross-examination.
there has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume under cross-examination.
Welcome to reality, Judy - neither your assumptions nor the frequency at which lies are repeated have any weight here.
I suggest you do some actual research, avoiding leftist websites that masquerade as having either Antiwar or Antiglobalist agendas.
http://www.ttfse.org/default.aspx?p=23&c=85:
Ethnic groups (according year 1991 census): Bosniak 43,5%, Serbs 31,2%, Croats 17,4%, Yugoslavs 5,6%, Montenegrians 0,2%, Macedonians 0,1%, Albanians 0,1%, Others 0,8%, Not declared nationally 0,3%, Unknown 0,8%
And Croats say that their population in Bosnia is now lower. Many of them were settled purposely by Tudjman in Croatian Serb homes and apartments. You might say that the Serbs are in their houses in Bosnia, but most of these Bosnian Croats now in Croatia came from areas in Central Bosnia and left during the Croat-Muslim fighting. (See Croat site: http://www.hercegbosna.org/engleski/cromusl.html
The current CIA factbook uses 2000 figures and has the Muslims at 48%, the Serbs at 37.1%, and the Croats at 14.3%. I do not know if Krajina Serbs from Croatia, who are now in Bosnia, are included in the numbers. The Bosnian government chose not to take an official census in 2001 or 2002 when other ex-Yu republics - Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, and Macedonia did - so the true percentage may or may not be significantly different than the current figures.
I have to translate this as "not much".
Perhaps you should look into the matter a little more before offering comment.
I do not say that they at any time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann under cross-examination.- Michael Hume under cross-examination.
Welcome to reality, Judy - neither your assumptions nor the frequency at which lies are repeated have any weight here.
Techniques used by Ruder Finn
A major news story about Serbia, not covered in the American press, was published in Covert Action Quarterly (CAQ) last Fall. The story detailed how a famous photo from 1992 in Omarska, Bosnia showing an alleged Serbian death camp was in fact a phony. The original photo, taken by Independent Television (ITN) from Great Britain, showed an emaciated Muslim man with his shirt off behind barbwire with his imprisoned comrades behind him. This photo ran worldwide and was just used again June 14th by Time magazine. It was the first significant emotional presentation of the Serbian military as nazi-like thugs. Presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, making reference to the photo promised military action against the Serbs if elected.
According to CAQ this photo was a gross misrepresentation of the situation. The men in the picture were not behind barbwire, but rather were standing outside of a small fenced enclosure next to a farm house in an open field that had been serving as a refugee transit site. The photographers shot the photo from within the fenced enclosure looking out on a open field. The Hague Tribunal confirmed in 1994 that there was no barbwire surrounding the camp at Omarska in 1992.
So how has a phony photo of alleged Serbian death camp continued to be used to portray the Serbian government as an holocaust perpetrator in Kosovo?
One part of the answer is that the American public relations firm Ruder Finn was originally hired by the Croatian sessionists, Bosnian Muslins and the Kosovo Liberation Army( KLA) to foster negative images of the Serbs as nazi demons. Ruder Finn targeted American women and Jews with the promotion of often unconfirmed news stories of Serbian rape/death camps, and various human atrocities. News stories showing attacks and ethnic cleansing of Serbs were often repressed or undercovered.
The result was that the American public has been lead to believe that the Serbs are the vicious aggressors in the Balkans and the other parties innocent victims. Nothing could be further from the truth. The KLA alone was listed by the U.S. State department as a terrorist organization until just last year. They had been conducting bombings, assassinations, ambushes, (financed by heroin sales) on both Albanians moderates and Serbs in Kosovo for several years, increasing their attacks 1000% in 1998. Serbian police responses were often brutal especially in the villages from which the KLA was known to operate. Yet, last year only 2,000 deaths occurred on both sides in all of Kosovo. 2,000 deaths was not an ethnic cleansing campaign by Serbs to kill Albanians but rather part of a measured response to ongoing terrorist activities by a legitimate government.
American media has been so accepting of demonized-the-Serb stories that there was no questioning of the news story last January of the alleged Serbian massacre at Racak where some 40 Kosovo Albanians were said to have be gunned down by Serb police. Found by the "neutral" former Oliver North aide, William Walker, the bodies were a perfect photo opportunity to justify increased NATO demands for direct intervention and the bombings.
Yet, there was a complete failure of the American press to cover the European Union's forensic team's report in March 17th stating that they were unable to confirm that a massacre had occurred, and that it was possible that the bodies had been moved to that location after death. For extra info read "Racak Massacre"
The Rest of the Sordid Story...
Total credibility of NATO and Clintonista spin in the Balkans: zero.
Yet here you are posting yet another article that refers to it as if it had some sort of relevance outside of serving as a form low IQ indicator for those who still put any stock in it.
The Living Marxism story is disinformation, plain and simple. Please be so kind as to avoid any reference to it in future posts in your writings or in passages from other sources.
The torture allegation was made by Rade Markovic, and was centered upon an offer of consideration made to him by the authorities in Serbia.
As to Racak, Serb forces executed unarmed civilians, just like they had in Croatia and Bosnia before, and the same idiots who tried to exonerate Milosevic's murderers got quickly to work to lie and deceive with enough volume and repetition to try and drown out the truth of the matter, and you and your opinions are a result of that effort - congratulations on your gullibility.
So there we have it - you'll believe discredited Marxist propaganda, put faith in Serbia's former Secret Police Chief, who is currently being charged with the murder and attempted murder of Milosevic's rivals, when he makes spurious claims of torture being used against him, and buy lock stock and barrel into what has become one of the largest disinformation campaigns, i.e., Racak, on the web.
Forget about your opinions of anybody else's credibility - you need to spend more time considering your own and what this crap you're regurgitating has done to it.
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