Srebrenica Casualty Numbers Challenged by Experts as Politicized and Ethnically Divisive

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decani/message/77206 ^ | September 20, 2003 | The International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA)

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Substituting HTML knowledge for argument, as usual. Pathetic.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Serbia, with the Milosevic government in power, also did a tremendous amount of reconstruction>>

Of *what*, perchance? Serb army barracks?

[FormerLib]

That's not argument, that's mockery!

I realize when intelligent argument is wasted! LOL!

[FormerLib]

Then you'd probably be happier in the KLA camp, from whom the US rightly rejected any of their troops! Hey, maybe you'd be next for the "Level-flight only" courses on airline jets!

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Typical. Lose an argument, call your opponent a terrorist. You would have been right at home in Bijeljina in '92.

[kosta50]

No, perhaps not recently [as far as we know], but things happen. The truth usually comes out loooong after the fact.

[kosta50]

and we didn't bombard or burn down villages and villagers. And that is the difference

No, perhaps not in recent times, but things happen, and we fess up to it loooong afterwards, don't we?

[FormerLib]

Except you're never won an argument on this board, Bonly boy!

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

One cannot win against the wilfully blind. One can only hope to show them up to others to BE wilfully blind.

Keep waving your pompoms, Slobo, we know who did what. And so does everyone else.

[FormerLib]

And while Slobo rightfully ends his days in prison, the United States realizes that her enemies are Serbia's enemies, her friends are Serbia's friends. And it must really irritate you to see it all happen!

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

I will agree with you, for anyone who shot or raped a Muslim in the late war was far more Serbia's enemy than any "mohammedan"--and did her far worse damage than even Izetbegovic, whose only crime was beating Slobo at his own game.

[FormerLib]

The behavior that you describe is a criminal act. Anyone committing such an act is a criminal.

The day that I'm waiting for is the day you admit that killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

The day that I'm waiting for is the day you admit that killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.>>

THAT DAY HAS COME.

Killing or raping a Serb is a bad thing to do.

Killing or raping a Muslim is ALSO a bad thing to do.

Are you happy now?

[FormerLib]

Yes, I am happy about this breakthrough!

Now we just have to work on getting you to accept the idea that we feel the same!

[joan]

They did an incredible amount of reconstruction - even Western media reported on it. And those who visited during late 1999 until the October 2000 coup witnessed it:

http://www.geocities.com/cpa_blacktown/20000408borba05.04.htm:

...The first stage of reconstruction was completed in the shortest possible time, between April and Nov. 29, 1999, with the rebuilding of bridges, roads and railway tracks of prime importance, and all families left homeless in the air strikes moved into new homes. The electric power grid was totally restored, and the damaged schools, hospitals and other public facilities rebuilt. Factories damaged or destroyed in the aggression resumed production. Speedy reconstruction has continued also in the second stage, with the building of projects of great importance to a dynamic and efficacious economic and overall growth. By April 3, 2000, work has been completed on 113 construction projects. Thirty-three road bridges, five railway bridges, two roads, five detours, 470 housing units have been built, 174 homes have been repaired, four heating plants have been rebuilt, eight schools, five hospitals, two firms and 15 other public facilities. Work is in progress on 76 projects -- 15 roads, 13 railways and 48 buildings with 535 flats. Over the past year, 200 domestic companies have employed more than 140,000 workers on rebuilding NATO-wreaked devastation. The work done conforms to the highest standards and has been financed only from real sources, the Directorate said.

[joan]

Nato bombing did this:

http://www.zastava-kovacnica.co.yu/onama/bombardovanje/bombardovanjee.htm

Reconstruction after the bombing:

After destroy of the company, parallely with the cleaning up, started reconstruction of the production equipment. After bombing by the end of 2000 the following was done:

• More than 3200 m2 of walls were built, plastered and whitewashed

• Workrooms I and II with total surface of 12000 m2 were reconstucted complitely

• In the wokrooms I and II new machine and electrical installation was installed and partly in the workroom III (forging toolroom)

• 9 overhauled cranes were put into operation

• Works on tearing down and removing the damaged concrete roofs and columns in the workroms III/1 and III/2 are to be finished

• More than 2500 kg of explosives were used for directed and controlled blowing up of rest debris

• Foundation steps for all production workroms were done

Zastava Kovacnica after reconstruction

[joan]

Note this is before Milosevic's ouster:

http://www.hannibal.net/stories/092200/new_0922000017.html

Friday, September 22, 2000

An unidentified elderly man watches the final preparations to complete construction of the Varadin Rainbow bridge across Danube River in downtown Novi Sad, Thursday. All three bridges over Danube River, linking new and old parts of Yugoslavia's second largest town were downed during NATO's air campaign last year. Varadin is the name of medieval castle in old part of the city.

[joan]

Written by Rob Gowland for The Guardian in March 2000:

In fact, the Serbs accomplished some remarkable feats of construction in tackling NATO's handiwork: they built new railway bridges in 60 days, for example. They set a world record for the construction of steel bridges.

At the same time, despite the urgency of the situation, historic old stone bridges were carefully restored, not just replaced with modern steel structures.

Since the end of hostilities the Ministry for Reconstruction has fully restored or replaced:

28 main bridges
4 railway bridges
2 roads
1 railway line
4 heating plants
7 schools or colleges
4 hospitals
445 houses or flats and the Museum of Modern Art in Belgrade.

Work is presently going on at 65 sites, including ten road bridges, 12 railway bridges, two schools and 201 flats or houses.

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~cpa/garchve2/993yug.html

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

And who's supplying the money for that? The Europeans and the Americans.

That the Serbs can fix things is well known. When they start to ressurect the dead of Srebrenica, however, then I will be impressed.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

In spite of the fact that you are usually grossly insulting to me I recognize that you are of a different order from Destro and Company, since you recognize that the massacre of the Muslims in the war was a bad thing. I don't support genocide against anybody. And thinking the Muslims were unjustly done against in the late war neither makes me a Muslim or a fan of Islam (and anyone who knows Bosnia in the slightest knows that the Bosniacs are the world's WORST Muslims, God bless 'em).

And, although I occasionally post insults to the Honor of the Serbian People on this board, I don't really mean them; I just know that it ticks off mindless chetniks of the Wend/Destro/AlternateReality variety. Seeing the Sreb dead close up left me rather intolerant of nationalist see-no-evilism, regardless who does it.

You have no reason to love me. But know that I'm not quite the gibbering bigoted monster you seem to imagine.