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Doyle vows to veto concealed arms bill
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel | September 19, 2003 | Steven Walters

Posted on 09/21/2003 9:11:55 AM PDT by Mini-14

Gov. Jim Doyle said Friday he will not sign into law a bill legalizing concealed weapons that the Legislature is poised to pass - an announcement loudly applauded by more than 1,000 people at a Milwaukee luncheon that honored women.

30286Concealed Weapons Bill
State lawmakers are considering a concealed weapons bill that would:
Allow Wisconsin residents who are 21 or older, have completed a 22-hour firearms training course and are not incompetent or drug dependent to carry concealed weapons with a permit.
Prohibit permits from being issued to felons, people who have committed violent misdemeanors and others who are ineligible to possess firearms under federal law.
Ban weapons from being carried in police stations, prisons, jails, school administration buildings and airports.
Recent Coverage
9/09/03: Committees hear testimony on concealed weapons bill

The Bills
Senate Bill 214
Assembly Bill 444

In Madison, Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer (R-West Bend) said it was unfortunate Doyle made that veto promise Friday, especially because it is still unclear exactly what the Legislature will end up sending to him.

"I think it is premature of the governor, until he sees the final form of the bill, to comment on it," she said.

Doyle's comments came just before the start of the Legislature's fall session next week and as Republicans who control both Assembly and Senate push to make Wisconsin the 46th state to allow the carrying of concealed weapons.

"There are people in this state who believe we will be much safer if we can carry concealed weapons and . . . if we're all armed," Doyle said, making it clear he was not one of them.

He told the Women & Public Policy luncheon he would not sign the legislation when it arrives on his desk.

Doyle spokesman Dan Leistikow said Friday the change being pushed by Republicans is unacceptable to the Democratic governor.

"The governor has said that he respects the decision of the Supreme Court that found that shop owners and homeowners have the right to protect themselves on their own property," Leistikow said. "But the bill in the Legislature goes way beyond that - allowing guns in churches and day care centers. And it weakens restrictions against guns in school zones."

Backers won't give up

State Rep. Scott Gunderson (R-Waterford), co-sponsor of the legislation, said he hopes Wisconsin residents who favor allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons for their own protection will contact Doyle's office to express their support.

"I hope the governor will take a very, very, very hard look at this legislation when it hits his desk," Gunderson said. "I really believe that the percentage of people in this state who favor this legislation is much greater than what one would be led to believe."

Backers of the bill say anyone over 21 who pays for a $75 permit, passes a criminal background check and a 22-hour firearms training class and is not mentally incompetent or drug or alcohol dependent should be able to carry a handgun.

That, they say, would deter crime, because criminals would not know which of their victims might be armed and ready to defend themselves. Critics of the bill say it would make handguns more common and make the state a less-safe place.

Gunderson noted that similar legislation passed the state Assembly on a 58-40 vote in February 2002. That bill later died in a Democratic Senate, but Republicans now control both houses, although not by the two-thirds margins necessary to override a governor's veto.

A political risk?

James Fendry, director of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement, predicted a Doyle veto of the legislation could put Democratic lawmakers on the hot seat after they narrowly upheld his controversial veto of a cap on local property taxes last month.

"It's a poor move," Fendry said Friday of a possible Doyle veto.

"Since the governor has already endangered a number of his fellow Democrats when he asked them to sustain his veto of a tax freeze, I think it's going to be very hard for the governor to go back to his party and ask lawmakers to remain against this (weapons) bill," Fendry said.

The state Senate came within one vote of overriding Doyle's veto of a state provision that would have limited local governments' tax levies next year.

Fendry also noted that the Missouri Legislature this month overrode Gov. Bob Holden's veto of similar legislation, making Missouri the 45th state to have some sort of concealed carry law.

"The governor should certainly see by the other 45 states that the entire nation will have a concealed-carry law, certainly within the next few years," Fendry said, adding that he hopes Doyle will reconsider his position.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; ccw; concealedcarry; gun; guns; righttocarry; secondamendment

1 posted on 09/21/2003 9:11:56 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 09/21/2003 9:12:39 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14
Is the measure veto proof, like it ended up as in the MO Legislature? More power to Wisconsin!
3 posted on 09/21/2003 9:15:54 AM PDT by woofer
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To: Mini-14
I can't keep smiling over this. I know it's difficult for the supporters of CCW to understand but when a dem governor vows to veto a CCW Bill, I think it's funny.

The gun issue is a litmus test for a lot of voters. Take away their gun rights and chances are the politicians have a tendency of disappearing from public office.

In the long run, The state loses dem and libs and the state eventually gets their gun rights.
5 posted on 09/21/2003 10:14:40 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: Mini-14
Does the legislature have enough votes to override "Fritz" Doyle?
6 posted on 09/21/2003 8:50:25 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mini-14
"There are people in this state who believe we will be much safer if we can carry concealed weapons and . . . if we're all armed," Doyle said, making it clear he was not one of them.

Hey Doyle, do your body guards carry automatic MP-5 9x19 submachine guns or just .40 S&W pistols with high capacity magazines?

7 posted on 09/21/2003 9:12:28 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Some of the "better" parts of this bill are:

The mandatory registration of gun owners with the state Department of Justice in a database to be shared with the feds.
Safety free zones created around schools etc
Sheriffs can opt out requiring applicants to then try and find a county that will issue.

It almost looks like something the NRA would have come up with...

8 posted on 09/21/2003 11:51:06 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Aw, isn't that cute. A slam against the NRA. How original.

And what are you doing about CCW in Wisconsin?
9 posted on 09/22/2003 5:56:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: gnarledmaw
You missed the 22 hour "training" course. That's TWENTY TWO hours. Let's see, a person could get in 22 hours by going to a three hour class for seven and a half nights. Yeah, that's a real winner.
10 posted on 09/22/2003 10:03:42 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Mini-14
Milwaukee luncheon that honored women.

How disgusting a venue to announce one's opposition to shall-issue CCW.

Just how would rendering me defenseless protect you from violent criminals?

11 posted on 09/22/2003 10:36:11 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
I never realized how beautiful Betty's eyes are.
12 posted on 09/22/2003 12:59:04 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Ive worked for 2 WI ccw organizations, donated my money to them,,spent plenty driving and delivering petitions and fliers, and worked gun shows. More importantly, I keep abreast of the legislation and discuss with everyone I know how compromise on this issue is always is always against ones best interest.
13 posted on 09/22/2003 10:57:15 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: Mini-14
Jim Doyle just made himself One Term Jim with that announcement. The veto will be overriden with the help of rural Democrats in the Wisconsin State Legislature.
14 posted on 09/22/2003 10:58:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mini-14
"the 22 hour "training" course"

Which, if its anything like our "hunters safety" course, will be full of classroom time where they relay nonsensical and bad information that doesnt have much to do with the reason that youre there.

15 posted on 09/22/2003 11:01:22 PM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
Since you're part of two Wisconsin CCW groups, maybe you can let us know from the bang list what's happening once in a while.

All CCW laws are a compromise except for Vermont's and Alaska. It will be up to Wisconsin's voters what kind of a compromise will be made in order to have some sort of CCW law.
16 posted on 09/23/2003 5:59:13 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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