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Caffeine found in Peterson's body
The Modesto Bee ^ | Sept 22, 2003 | John Cote' and Garth Stapely

Posted on 09/22/2003 5:34:44 AM PDT by runningbear

Caffeine found in Peterson's body

Caffeine found in Peterson's body

By JOHN COTÉ
and GARTH STAPLEY

Published: September 22, 2003, 04:31:40 AM PDT

Laci Peterson had caffeine in her system when she died, a toxicology report shows, while her unborn son, Conner, did not, a source familiar with the tests said. Toxicology documents also show that police specifically asked medical examiners to test Peterson's remains for the "date rape" drug GHB, and that none was found.

"Toxicology testing performed on skeletal muscle is positive only for caffeine and PEA (decomposition product)," according to a report from the Contra Costa County coroner's office, the agency that performed the autopsies.

The presence of caffeine in Peterson's body and not in her unborn son's does not, however, indicate that Conner was outside his mother's womb when she was killed, forensic analysts said.

Attorneys for Scott Peterson, who is charged with murdering his wife and son, may try to use the toxicology tests to raise questions about the circumstances of the deaths, experts speculated.

Prosecutors maintain that Peterson murdered his wife on Dec. 23 or 24, when she was nearly eight months pregnant, and then pretended she was missing while a massive search ensued.

Laci's and Conner's remains were found in mid-April about a mile apart along the eastern shore of San Francisco Bay, within four miles of the spot where Peterson told police he launched his boat for a solo fishing trip on Christmas Eve.

Peterson's defense team maintains that authorities mistakenly targeted the 30-year-old fertilizer salesman, floating theories that include cult members and a suspicious van -- and casting doubt on whether Peterson killed his wife in the days before Christmas.

Evidence suggesting that Conner was born before he was killed would aid the defense, said Stephen Schoenthaler, a criminal justice professor at California State University, Stanislaus.

That is because Peterson would appear to have had little opportunity to kill while under the police and media scrutiny that developed soon after he told family members that his wife was missing.

"It all comes down to how much (caffeine) was in her, and was it a reliable measure," Schoenthaler said.

Three forensic experts said it would be uncommon to find measurable amounts of caffeine in the body of an unborn child even if its mother consumed large quantities of it. That would suggest that the Peterson test results are meaningless.

"Trace amounts can get through, but trying to find it for a toxicology (report) is an exercise in futility," said forensic pathologist Dr. Harry J. Bonnell of San Diego. "The odds of it passing into the fetus are minimal to nil."

Dr. Mary Case, chief medical examiner in St. Louis County, Mo., and an expert in child death, frequently reviews toxicology reports on fetuses whose mothers are suspected of substance abuse. She said she has never seen an unborn child with measurable amounts of caffeine.

"In the usual amount of caffeine that people have, it just wouldn't show up (in a fetus)," Case said.

Dr. Richard T. Mason, forensic pathologist for the Santa Cruz County coroner's office, said the placenta is more effective in blocking out caffeine than other chemicals, such as cocaine.

Caffeine can stay several days in the body of an adult after consumption, Bonnell said. Common sources are coffee, tea, sodas, chocolate and some over-the-counter medication.

Friend: Caffeine was avoided

Laci Peterson, a 27-year-old substitute teacher, enjoyed coffee but avoided the beverage -- and its caffeine -- when she was pregnant, said a friend who asked to remain anonymous.

"She had tried to limit or stop drinking caffeinated drinks," the friend said. "She did drink coffee before she became pregnant."

Bonnell acknowledged that members of Peterson's defense team could attempt to show that Laci consumed something with caffeine after giving birth.

"The world could also end tomorrow," Bonnell said. "They can blow smoke with it, but the fact that it was not in the baby certainly is not proof that the baby had to have been born."

Mason also noted that Laci Peterson would have had multiple opportunities to ingest something with caffeine in it.

"If she was home alone and had a cup of coffee or cup of tea, who's to say?" Mason asked. "I'd be hard put to make something out of that."

Euphoria-producing drug

In asking for the GHB test, police investigators sought evidence of the depressant that can render people unconscious, particularly when mixed with alcohol.

In low doses, gamma hydroxy butyrate produces a high or euphoric feeling as inhibitions are depressed, making it a popular drug in the club scene.

Mason said that if the drug had appeared in this case, it could have been an indication that Peterson had been drugged in an attempt to subdue her before she was killed.

"That would be the obvious inference," Mason said. "I don't know why they looked for that, unless they had some indication that he had access to it."

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Geragos, Cadee Condit making Modesto night scene

Geragos, Cadee Condit making Modesto night scene

By GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: September 20, 2003, 09:44:39 AM PDT

In the space of 19 months, two nationally watched tragedies emerged from Modesto with the disappearances of Chandra Levy and Laci Peterson.

Now some supporting cast members from both dramas are appearing together in Modesto night spots.

Murder suspect Scott Peterson's lead attorney, Mark Geragos, won't say why he's been sharing drinks and cigars with Cadee Condit, daughter of former Rep. Gary Condit, other than that she's a client.

Geragos represented the congressman during the media frenzy surrounding Levy's disappearance. The 24-year-old Modestan had just completed an internship with the U.S. Bureau of Prisons when she vanished in Washington, D.C., in spring 2001.

Her remains were found just over a year later in Rock Creek Park in the nation's capital, and the coroner there declared the case a homicide. Condit has not denied reports of an affair with Levy. No arrests have been made and no suspects named.

Geragos said of Cadee Condit: "She's a client, that's all I can say."

The 45-year-old celebrity lawyer from Los Angeles and Condit, who turned 28 Sunday, have been reported together four times in recent weeks, according to several sources, including employees of the establishments.

They were seen Aug. 20 having drinks in Cheroot Lounge, a 10th Street cigar lounge. Geragos and Condit were joined by Gary Condit, who now lives in Arizona.

The next day, Geragos and Cadee Condit shared drinks and appetizers at the Harvest Moon restaurant on I Street, and later that night were spotted at Cheroot. The two were seen at the lounge again Sept. 10.

Condit stood by her father during his unsuccessful re-election campaign last year, appearing on national TV on his behalf.

Calls to the Condit family home in Ceres were not answered.

Geragos visits Modesto periodically in connection with the Peterson case. Peterson faces the death penalty on charges that he killed his wife, Laci, and their unborn son, Conner.

Geragos' predilection for cigars was documented when he celebrated with a smoke at a post-trial party for Susan McDougal. He represented her when she was found not guilty of an obstruction of justice charge brought in connection with the Clinton-Whitewater case.

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Police divers return to bay where Laci Peterson was found

Police divers return to bay where Laci Peterson was found

The Associated Press Saturday, September 20, 2003

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(09-20) 16:35 PDT MODESTO, Calif. (AP) --

Police divers returned to San Francisco Bay on Friday, about five months after the bodies of Laci Peterson and her unborn son came ashore there, according to a report in the Modesto Bee.

"We were at the bay today," Modesto Police spokesman Doug Ridenour told the newspaper. He also noted that police went to a marina in Richmond, across the bay from San Francisco, but he would not say what detectives were doing there.

"That's all I can say," Ridenour said, referring to a gag order in the Peterson case. Ridenour did not return calls to The Associated Press on Saturday.

Laci Peterson, who was then pregnant, disappeared from her Modesto home Christmas Eve. In April her body and that of her unborn baby were found along the shore of San Francisco Bay south of Richmond, where Scott Peterson said he was fishing when his wife vanished.

Scott Peterson, 30, has been charged with two counts of murder in the case, and could face the death penalty if convicted.

Earlier this month, the preliminary hearing in Scott Peterson's trial was postponed until October to give the defense more time to review .....

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Laci hubby in new plot

Laci hubby in new plot

Snitch says he looked to have her kidnapped

Scott Peterson

Police have a possible new witness in the Laci Peterson murder case: a jailbird who claims Scott Peterson talked to neo-Nazis about kidnapping his wife a month before she was slain.

The Fresno Bee reported yesterday that Cory Lee Carroll, 34, passed a lie detector test about his November encounter with Peterson - who is charged with killing his wife and unborn son last Christmas Eve.

Carroll's lawyer contacted the authorities, who interviewed the inmate last week, the Bee reported. Prosecutors and lawyers for Scott Peterson declined to comment on the development, citing a gag order in the case.

By Carroll's account, he ran into Peterson at a Fresno, Calif., strip club and went with him to a local bar and fast-food joint.

After learning that Carroll had a criminal record, Peterson asked if he knew anyone who could steal his wife's car for an insurance scam, Carroll claims. For $300, Carroll said, he introduced Peterson to two men nicknamed Dirty and Skeeter, members of a neo-Nazi gang.

When he overheard something about a kidnapping, Carroll said he left. When he got back, Dirty and Skeeter were telling Peterson they would take care of something, Carroll said. Carroll .....

Peterson Family Disputes Kidnap Plot Report

Peterson Family Disputes Kidnap Plot Report

Monday , September 22, 2003

The family of Scott Peterson (search) has disputed an inmate’s claims that the accused killer plotted the kidnapping of his pregnant wife weeks before she disappeared.

Janey Peterson told Fox News that she was with Scott Peterson and his wife, Laci, in San Diego, Calif., on Nov. 29, the day Cory Lee Carroll claimed he met with her brother-in-law in Fresno. The meeting was detailed in a report published Saturday by the Fresno Bee.

Carroll, a parolee jailed since August after missing a court date, told investigators that he first met Scott Peterson last November at the City Lights strip club in Fresno. After a conversation in which Carroll revealed he had been in prison, Peterson asked for help in finding someone to steal his wife’s car as part of an insurance fraud scheme, according to the Bee report.

Carroll told investigators that he was paid $300 to set up a meeting with two men known as Tony, aka “Dirty,” and Anthony, aka “Skeeter.” The men were both members of a neo-Nazi prison gang known as the Nazi Low Riders (search).

Carroll claimed he and the two men met with Peterson in a northeast Fresno restaurant on Nov. 29. The four went on to a nearby motel where the subject of a kidnapping plot came up, the Bee reported.

But Janey Peterson claims she, her husband, and Scott and Laci Peterson (search) were together in San Diego Nov. 29, two days after a baby shower had been held there for the pregnant 27-year-old.

Calling Carroll’s claims in the Bee report “all lies,” she told Fox News that it would have been impossible for Scott Peterson to have left San Diego midday, driven more than seven hours to Modesto, dropped his wife and presents off at their home, then have driven another hour-plus to Fresno for the alleged meeting. Peterson said she was trying to confirm the exact time Scott and Laci Peterson left San Diego that day.

Carroll’s attorney, Frank Muna, told Fox News that his client disclosed his story only after recognizing Scott Peterson on television after his April arrest for the murders of Laci Peterson and their unborn child, Conner. Muna said he notified law enforcement after his client passed a polygraph test administered by a former Fresno police lieutenant.

Polygraph examinations are not admissible in court. However, a memo summarizing the test obtained by the Bee shows Carroll correctly identified the model of Peterson’s Ford F-150 pickup. In addition, the van like the one Dirty and Skeeter owned was described by a witness as having been across the street from Laci Peterson’s home the day of her Dec. 24 disappearance. Police have since played down reports of a so-called suspicious van.

Carroll said he walked out of the Nov. 29 meeting for 45 minutes once he heard one of the three men say something about kidnapping. His attorney told Fox News that his client had nothing to gain by coming forward, and hinted that his life may now be in danger as a result.

Investigators would not comment on Carroll’s claims to the Bee due to a court-imposed gag order.

The Modesto Bee reported that police divers returned to San Francisco Bay on Friday, where the bodies of Laci and Conner Peterson......

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Inmate: Peterson pursued kidnap

Inmate: Peterson pursued kidnap

By MICHAEL BAKER
THE FRESNO BEE

Published: September 20, 2003, 09:30:16 AM PDT

FRESNO -- A jail inmate here says Scott Peterson, during a November meeting with two members of a neo-Nazi gang, broached the idea of kidnapping his wife.

Laci Peterson, 27 and pregnant, disappeared from her Modesto home just before Christmas, and her remains washed ashore in San Francisco Bay in mid-April. Her 30-year-old husband is charged with the murders of his wife and their unborn son.

Inmate Cory Lee Carroll's information led Modesto police and district attorney's investigators to the Fresno County Jail to interview him this week, said his attorney, Frank Muna.

The attorney said he contacted authorities after Carroll's account checked out in a lie detector test administered by Muna's private investigator.

Detective Doug Ridenour, police spokesman, said a gag order prevents him from talking about the Peterson case.

In general, he said, law enforcement has a duty to follow up all leads: "It doesn't matter where or what time, if it has a potential connection to a case, we're going to investigate it."

The district attorney's office did not respond to inquiries, but in the past has referred to the gag order when questioned about potential evidence.

Peterson's lead attorney, Mark Geragos, also cited the gag order. "Unfortunately, I can't comment," he said. "I would love to, but unfortunately, I can't."

Peterson has pleaded innocent in his death penalty case. A preliminary hearing is set for Oct. 20 to let a judge determine whether there is sufficient evidence for a trial. Lie detector test results are not admissible in court.

The 34-year-old Carroll's statement is detailed in a memo summarizing his lie detector exam. The examiner, Melvin W. King, a former Fresno police lieutenant, wrote the memo; The Bee obtained a copy on Friday.

Muna said the memo was identical to one that he received from King. The memo's writer said: "I can't confirm or deny anything. It's been made very clear to me, I'm under a gag order."

According to the memo, Carroll was truthful when he gave this statement:

He met Peterson in November at the City Lights strip club in Fresno. Peterson, who had discovered that Carroll had spent time in prison, asked whether Carroll knew anyone who could steal his wife's car. Peterson wanted to report the theft for insurance purposes.

Peterson agreed to pay Carroll $300 to set up a meeting with two men known to Carroll as Tony, who goes by the name "Dirty," and Anthony, also known as "Skeeter," members of the Nazi Low Riders gang.

Peterson met with Carroll and the others Nov. 29 at Chili's Grill & Bar in Fresno, and the four continued talking at a motel.

Carroll heard "Peterson mention to Dirty and Skeeter something about kidnapping Laci," and left because he did not want to get involved. He returned 45 minutes later and said he heard the gang members say they were going to take care of something.

Carroll said Dirty and Skeeter often lived in a beige van with orange and red stripes. A witness in the Peterson case said she saw a van across the street from the Peterson home on the day Laci Peterson disappeared. The van's description is similar to Dirty and Skeeter's van.

Police have discounted reports of a suspicious van, saying it belonged to landscapers.

Muna said Carroll had nothing to gain by coming forward: "We've ........

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1 posted on 09/22/2003 5:34:45 AM PDT by runningbear
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To: Rheo; Mystery Y; Searching4Justice; brneyedgirl; Scupoli; sissyjane; TexKat; Lanza; Mrs.Liberty; ...
Pinging........
2 posted on 09/22/2003 5:35:33 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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Pinging........
3 posted on 09/22/2003 5:37:20 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
btt
4 posted on 09/22/2003 5:39:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: runningbear
I don't have a clue whether this will have any bearing on the trial.
5 posted on 09/22/2003 5:42:36 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: runningbear
"They can blow smoke with it, . . ."
6 posted on 09/22/2003 5:45:42 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds ("Don't mind people grinnin' in your face." - Son House)
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To: MEG33
not sure either, but stuff is coming out just prior to the prelim... ;o)
7 posted on 09/22/2003 5:46:05 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
Being a member of the public jury...this guys antics before he was arrested were astounding and only gives me one conclusion. He is lucky im not on the jury that will be presented the case.
8 posted on 09/22/2003 5:48:52 AM PDT by smith288 ("The key to our success will be your execution." -Scott Adams)
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To: smith288
you and many others feel likewise... ;o)
9 posted on 09/22/2003 5:55:17 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
30-year-old fertilizer salesman

Is Scott still trying to sell us a load of sh#t?

10 posted on 09/22/2003 5:59:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: runningbear
The story about Geragos, Cadee, and Condidit is quite interesting! I guess Cadaver Carolyn couldn't make the trip?

As always, thanks for your posts, rb. Been lurking this summer, between massive gardening and home improvement projects.

11 posted on 09/22/2003 6:03:52 AM PDT by uvular
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To: runningbear
If there is any hint that Peterson met with this guy or has any conection this case is closed. Remeber, reportedly Scott told Amber he did not have anything to do with Laci's disappearence, but knew who did.
12 posted on 09/22/2003 6:10:42 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: runningbear; All
Good morning runningbear,thankyou for the ping. I have to go to my sister's most of the day,will catch up with the thread later.

Reguarding the caffeine in her system it was also reported in the following link,on May 31th.My quote is from the 12th paragraph of the article.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/88344p-80416c.html
"The report also said she had caffeine in her system. If the levels are high, and Laci Peterson had a habit of drinking coffee at a certain time of day, "that might tell you what time of the day this [slaying] occurred," Spitz said."

13 posted on 09/22/2003 6:16:29 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: sirchtruth
I didn't do it but know who did.

Gee, that's EXACTLY what Condit said to his airline hostess girlfriend.

The fact still remains that creepy Peterson was cheating on his wife and was fishing 90 miles away (where the body was found) when she was kidnapped (according to Scott). One would think he never expected the bodies to be found. Duh!!

He'd have a better shot if he never had made the phone call home, never kept the receipt from the dock, never talked to his girlfriend, never said the dog was loose. In short, he served up (on a platter), the case that will unfold. It is HIS PLAN gone wrong.

14 posted on 09/22/2003 6:23:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: runningbear
Thanks for the ping, rb.

Interesting news today.
15 posted on 09/22/2003 6:29:25 AM PDT by justshe ("Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?")
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To: runningbear
Scott Peterson killed his wife. In the end, there seems no point made at all by this article; save to 'inform' the public, but of what?

Seems they do everything they can to give this case an 'aura of mystery'; where in realty, there is none.

For my vote Scott Peterson is 'Guilty'; plain and simple.

16 posted on 09/22/2003 6:36:22 AM PDT by cricket
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To: runningbear
Runningbear - thanks for posting these articles. Can you add me to your "ping" list? I'm not sure how it works but I assume that I will be notified when you put something new up. Thank you! Julie
17 posted on 09/22/2003 6:44:26 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: MaggieMay
You have a fantastic memory. I vaguely remember bits and pieces and you're like a database. I'm impressed! :)
18 posted on 09/22/2003 6:45:33 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: runningbear
STARBUCKS ALERT !!

19 posted on 09/22/2003 6:50:08 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Is Scott still trying to sell us a load of sh#t?

Shouldn't that be s#!t? (Is there a standard lexicon for fake cursing? Shouldn't we have a FAQ on this?)

20 posted on 09/22/2003 6:56:37 AM PDT by 50sDad ("There are FOUR LIGHTS! FOUR LIGHTS!")
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To: drjulie; clouda
I wish you could have seen Clouda's posts, on the earlier threads,she had transcripts of news programs and sources,that clarified so much of this case. We sure miss you Clouda,hope you can post again soon.
21 posted on 09/22/2003 7:04:44 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: runningbear
A 'Fry SP' bookmark.
22 posted on 09/22/2003 7:08:17 AM PDT by Space Wrangler
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To: MaggieMay; runningbear
Re: the caffeine in Laci's system.

There were reports early on that she had had a latte, wasn't it, on the evening of Dec. 23. I seem to recall that.

To me then, it would point to her dying that night.

But I'm sure MG would like everyone (especially future jurors) to think she had the coffee several weeks later...
23 posted on 09/22/2003 7:43:46 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: MaggieMay
MaggieMay, Thanks for confirming what I thought I had remembered reading about caffine in her body some months back.
24 posted on 09/22/2003 9:00:04 AM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: runningbear
Thanks for including me in your ping list.

Attorneys for Scott Peterson, who is charged with murdering his wife and son, may try to use the toxicology tests to raise questions about the circumstances of the deaths, experts speculated.

Of course they will use it in the hopes of raising a question in just ONE juror's mind which has been their quest from the onset. All it takes is one juror to have doubts and the death penalty is off the table.

25 posted on 09/22/2003 9:08:06 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: runningbear
I heard this weekend on "the breathless Rita Show", that this new information will delay the Prelim even further. Maybe into January/Feb.

Is there a mild Lysol in soap form to use when this thing gets underway, and we have to watch the smooooooth Garagos ?

26 posted on 09/22/2003 9:39:11 AM PDT by Neenah ("It's always something !")
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To: runningbear
Thanks a real bunch, rb!
27 posted on 09/22/2003 10:04:03 AM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: cricket
That's how I see it too. His OWN actions confirmed to me that he KNEW Laci was NEVER returning home. He approached a Realtor at the first Search Centre about selling the house without Laci's signature? Then he sells her car!! This guy had a Double Life that is unfolding and it appears it was a pretty cruddy lifestyle at that!! Poor Laci, she did NOT KNOW the man she married. I do believe that with a baby coming he began to feel trapped into a lifestyle that he didn't want to live. He was wanting to live the OTHER lifestyle more and more. Babies, wives and all that were in the way. Because he appears to be the classic Sociopath, he was able to pull off this double life because he was completely unemcumbered by any guilt!! I agree with the poster who said that if he hired "hit men" he is just as guilty as if he did it himself with his own hands.
28 posted on 09/22/2003 12:44:26 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: runningbear
Three forensic experts said it would be uncommon to find measurable amounts of caffeine in the body of an unborn child even if its mother consumed large quantities of it. That would suggest that the Peterson test results are meaningless

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Just heard that caffiene does not pass thru the palcenta

Thanks for the ping

29 posted on 09/22/2003 1:43:25 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: runningbear
Oh, My Goodness...Scott took her to Starbucks before offing her! How utterly Californian of him!
30 posted on 09/22/2003 1:46:57 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Sandylapper; Canadian Outrage; Jackie-O; texasbluebell; drjulie; All
Do you remember,how we discussed the prosecution theory that Laci peterson was druggged by Scott before he strangled her. Do you remember that it was leaked that his computer had information on GHB. We theorized he bought coffee on the way home or made coffee for Laci on the Dec.23rd and slipped Laci,the GHB in it?

Maybe Scott bought some GHB from Carroll,Dirty and Skeeker?This just smacks of more premeditation on Scott's part to me. What's your take on this?
31 posted on 09/22/2003 3:22:18 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: MaggieMay
My take also Maggie. He's in it up to his ears!! Either way he's the initiator of this brutal killing. The pre-meditation was not hard to figure out when you consider that he was openly selling some of her jewelry, giving some away, trying to sell their house within the FIRST week, and then selling her car about a Month later. His actions go way outside the bounds of normal, in fact they barely inside abnormal, almost in a class of their own if you ask me.
32 posted on 09/22/2003 4:35:07 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: StarFan
Even if Geragos and group get one Juror on their side and it is a mistrial - the Prosecution will try him again, I'm sure. If he get's life without parole, I can live with that. I would like to see him get the Death Penalty, God knows he deserves it but in CA Death Penalties are rarely carried out correct?
33 posted on 09/22/2003 4:38:52 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: runningbear
Attorneys for Scott Peterson, who is charged with murdering his wife and son, may try to use the toxicology tests to raise questions about the circumstances of the deaths, experts speculated.

Would that be before or after the questions about the van, someone named "Donny," a satanic cult, and the neo-nazis?

-PJ

34 posted on 09/22/2003 4:46:37 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: joyce11111
Just heard that caffeine does not pass thru the palcenta

Hmmm...it seems that quitting coffee etc. is one sacrifice a pregnant woman needn't make.

35 posted on 09/22/2003 4:53:22 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: runningbear
Caffeine is a good remedy for pregnant women that are "irregular". This amount does not have any effect on a healthy mother/baby. Laci may have had a cup or two around the time of her disappearance.

Scott Peterson had 10K, family caught wisking him toward the Mexican border, a fake passport, and dyed hair which he said he obtained from swimming. Guy is guilty.


"I didn't kill my wife but if I had it was because I loved her" -- OJ Simpson
36 posted on 09/22/2003 4:57:16 PM PDT by sully777 (Yahoo!)
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To: MaggieMay
GHB is that drug that is undetectible much later after ingestion. People who fear they may have been date-drugged and/or raped under the influence are told to save any urine after the event because there is such a short window of testability.

I can't imagine after all these months that they would find evidence of it. However, what if he told her to just let go for once, it's Christmas Eve Eve, and enjoy a latte, and that's what he used to slip the GHB in to make it easier for either him or his hired killers?

37 posted on 09/22/2003 5:01:57 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: MaggieMay
LOL Mags, I do recall those conversations; we've been all over the map regarding what happened! But, Mags, I think the new info released today about the caffeine in her system will prove to be a red herring. The likelihood of caffeine in her system was discussed in May, IIRC. You mean it took forensics almost 4 mos. to come to this conclusion? Caffeine in her system and the absence of caffeine in Connor's will not be the decisive factor in solving the mystery of "who really killed Laci Peterson". Our attention is being diverted by the powers that be from the real question: was Scott into the meth business? If the answer is "yes", I would now have to say that there is a 50/50 chance that he didn't actually kill Laci. His drug connection surely caused her death, but it did not necessarily effect it. JMO
38 posted on 09/22/2003 5:04:36 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: runningbear
It really sounds like Condit is using his Dear Daughter as a comfort woman for his attorney there.

That family is weird. Remember his ex-friend / bodyguard who remembered seeing the whole family sans Mama at a dance, and Cadee and her brother would give Dad the thumbs-up sign when he danced with a young pretty thing?

39 posted on 09/22/2003 5:05:24 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Sandylapper; Canadian Outrage; All
Oh,yes,the "meth". The neo nazi's are major distributor's.And I have always wondered why Scott needed a storage locker and a warehouse,all those cell phones, and the real reason for the FBI's long involvement in this case.Do you remember the picture of the huge dent in the metal door of his warehouse? Wonder if it was "Skeeter", "Dirty" or one of the other low riders who took a slege hammmer to it. Perhaps,Scott was supposed to deliver some fertilizer and he stood them up?
40 posted on 09/22/2003 5:38:13 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: Yaelle
slege = sledge

Yaelle,I meant to include you in my post #31. :)
41 posted on 09/22/2003 5:42:56 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Agree with your synopis as well. I am thinking that in the end, more likely the 'hit man' thing did not work out; and Scott just went ahead and took matters - Laci - into his own hands.

I do think when people hire others to do their dirty work that the Law finds them just as guilty as well.

42 posted on 09/22/2003 5:55:02 PM PDT by cricket
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To: MaggieMay
A wild thought just occured to me...since we all know that Viagra was found, maybe they found GHB also....If Snotty slips the GHB to his little chickadees, he needs the Viagra for himself. So if GHB was found at the home, tells LE they should test Laci's body for the drug because of the possiblity that the GHB could have been also used to incapacatate her.
I for some reason still think that there will be traces of GHB on the rumored vomit on the mop....
43 posted on 09/22/2003 5:56:57 PM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: runningbear
Mason also noted that Laci Peterson would have had multiple opportunities to ingest something with caffeine in it. "If she was home alone and had a cup of coffee or cup of tea, who's to say?" Mason asked.

Even if she was trying to avoid caffeine, she could easily have consumed some without realizing it if she took one of several common headache/pain medications which contain caffeine as an ingredient, including Anacin, Dristan, Excedrin, Midol, Vanquish, and many more. One dose of Midol Max Strength, for example, contains almost as much caffeine as a cup of coffee, about the same amount as a glass of iced tea, and much more than a bottle of Coke.

44 posted on 09/22/2003 5:58:24 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Jackie-O
Good to see you Jackie-O.I do not believe it was, coincidence, the prosecution leaked the tidal and GHB information,they found on Scott's computer.I also agree,that the mop,probably contained flecks of blood and GHB.Finally,I think you are on the right track,with Scott's use, for that little blue pill. :)


45 posted on 09/22/2003 6:33:19 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: All
ALERT

Geraldo on Hannity...had an interview with Carrols atty. Atty says that Janey Peterson is just protecting her brother with the claim that his client is lying...firstly ther are many times that Snott's wherabouts were un-accounted for , for instance, the times he snuck off to be with Amber. Second, his client said that he met with Snott, Dirty, and Skeeter ABOUT the 29th of Nov...this pinpoining of the 29th is a misinterpretation of the facts by media, whomever. Ther former 35yr LE that administered the LDT to Carrol says that he finds him credible and that he truely believes what he is saying. Carrol's atty has a meeting scheduled to speak with Modesto LE and county Pros. along with the former Fresno LE that administered the test.

46 posted on 09/22/2003 6:35:10 PM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: eddie willers
HA!! The only reason I didn't drink coffee when pregnant was that the smell of it made me throw up!!
47 posted on 09/22/2003 6:55:19 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Jackie-O
One thing is clear Jackie - something made her throw up and HE mopped it up. I have also never quite been able to square why she had broken ribs? A punch maybe??? I don't agree with Sandy that Scott had nothing to do with her death. I believe he could have been in over his head financially and needed the life insurance etc. But the fact is, that extra life insurance policy that he bought "without" her knowledge could have been promised payment to the drug crowd. He's dirty!! That's a John Walsh direct quote.
48 posted on 09/22/2003 7:02:11 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
A couple of Bloody Marys would have settled that stomach right down. :-)
49 posted on 09/22/2003 7:06:18 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Canadian Outrage
The broken ribs don't really jump out and tell me anything other than the possiblity that she may have been hit by debris in the water or boat, bouy...or maybe the ribs were broken when washed ashore on that rocky jagged area.
I truely think Snott was there...after all he did produce a marina ticket, (just in case he was spotted) he had the tidal info, cement bucked anchors, and so on. Whether he had help or not...he murdered his family.
You have freepmail, Lynn! ;0)
50 posted on 09/22/2003 7:11:54 PM PDT by Jackie-O
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