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His outline for clean air, water - Schwarzenegger says jobs, environment can be protected
Sac Bee ^ | 9/22/03 | Laura Mecoy

Posted on 09/22/2003 7:22:53 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:58:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CARPINTERIA -- Admitting he'd known little about the issue before running for governor, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger touted his plans for the environment Sunday by pledging to cut air pollution in half and reduce energy use by 20 percent in five to eight years.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; cleanair; environment; jobs; outline; protected; recall; schwarzenegger; water

1 posted on 09/22/2003 7:22:53 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: *calgov2002
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2 posted on 09/22/2003 7:24:24 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Agenda.. I don't need no stinkin' agenda!)
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To: NormsRevenge
A hydrogen powered hummer...
which one I think he owns 20 of them
3 posted on 09/22/2003 7:33:01 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: NormsRevenge
This guy doesn't have any idea what he is talking about. He thinks he can solve all problems with "leadership". What a maroon.
4 posted on 09/22/2003 7:37:17 AM PDT by snopercod ("leader" is English for "führer")
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To: BibChr; onyx; PhiKapMom; Tamsey; redlipstick; habs4ever; My2Cents; South40; ...
ping
5 posted on 09/22/2003 7:41:38 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: NormsRevenge
His advisers said they didn't know the cost of his proposals, many of which rely on getting federal and private investment, rather than state funds.

Great, now that Arnies demoRat handlers/advisers have pissed away all of California's money, they will come after ours!

Gotta keep those tree-huggers happy, right Arnie?

6 posted on 09/22/2003 7:43:22 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: EggsAckley
You're slow today in pinging all "the usual suspects" . ;-)
7 posted on 09/22/2003 7:44:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Burning Clinton's Bridges Since 1993)
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To: NormsRevenge; EggsAckley; DoughtyOne
Eggs, I told you so. The man is not your friend. If you think an Arnold Board of Forestry will make a difference, you are mistaken. Besides, the Water Quality Control Board is now the lead agency on all timber harvests. Things are going to get worse, much worse.

I posted on a similar thread last night, and what do you know there were zero responses from the pro-Arnold people. Maybe it hit too close to home. I'll repeat it here for their interest: ;-)

Arnold can't wait to tell us what kind of governor he really would be! He wants to buy back the oil leases from the feds...

er...

with what?

Um, Arnold, Mr. Fiscal Conservative sir, the State of California is BROKE. Oh but I guess more debt is just what your not-so-special very special interest investors, uh, contributors would like to see: Higher rates of return on more expensive bonds.

This is nothing more than stupid posturing for ignorant voters that pleases the crooked greens (especially those representing natural gas interests). Those offshore oil wells in the Santa Barbara Channel actually reduce natural oil seepage that the Chumash indians used to coat their boat bottoms. Cabrillo described the cliffs off Santa Barbara as black with oil. The revenues from those wells built the modern University of California campus system. Oh and BTW, DO, I said that this was stupid destructive pandering when Bill Simon proposed it too (wouldn't want to be mischaracterized as inconsistent you know).

If taking RFKJr onto his team is what he calls environmentalism, Arnold's just as bad as Davis, maybe worse if he follows Wilson's example.

Ahh, but canceling oil production will please the Eastern liberals who live for energy shortages! Oh thank you Arnold for joining with the likes of the NRDC! Um, DO, you did know that RFKJr was a co-director on the New York League of Conservation Voters which was modeled after the NRDC, and is co-director with one of NRDC's founders, didn't you?

In case you didn't know DO, for twenty-five years NRDC has been an indispensible player in creating the shortage in electrical generating capacity in California. They were instrumental in shutting down Rancho Seco (980 MW). And what do you know but John Bryson, one of NRDC's founding attorneys is now CEO of Edison International, and one of Gray Davis' biggest campaign donors.

What a coincidence! Is that what "moderate" means?

Well there's more. The dirty little secret in all this fuel cell garbage (and that's what it is until they get much further along with hybrid cars and stationary applications), is that it will please no end those international mining interests that got Bubba to lock up California's rare-earth mineral wealth worth tens, if not HUNDREDS of billions of dollars to this State will now get top dollar for their third whirled mineral production. Then there's the coming regulatory takedown of small farmers using water quality regulations to convert that land to all the new houses in the Valley you'll get to build under EPA attainment numbers Arnold's friends think they're going to meet with those fuel cell cars.

Arnold, why not promote broadband telecommuting to cut the driving instead? You wouldn't have to spend money, just cut the regulatory crap that gets in their way. Isn't that what would help Silicon Valley? It would help parents spend more time with their kids... but then who would use all those State daycare centers?

The type of regulation Arnold's advisors advocate destroys small resource landowners: farmers, forest landowners, and ranchers, the bedrock of the conservative Republican Party.

Anybody who supports Arnold thinking that he would be better than Davis or Bustamante should heed these words: to these small landowners, there is virtually no difference. When Arnold yells "punish polluters" you have to realize that a lot of the "pollution" is a wild fantasy based upon bogus science. A lot of it is totally unconstitutional 303(d) TMDL regulation for silt. They stop foresters from cutting to prevent silt and in the process GUARANTEE that there will be fires and subsequent massive releases of topsoil and... silt. The system is a crooked maze of takings that benefits only big resource corporations because they have the muscle to survive the onslaught and developers who get to build their rural eco-dachas on the leavings.

There's a reason that there are only two major timber corporations left in California, Simpson and Sierra Pacific. It's no cooincidence that those two companies are directly represented on the Board of Forestry, as it was under Wilson.

8 posted on 09/22/2003 7:46:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: NormsRevenge
too hot over here. fingers catatonic.
9 posted on 09/22/2003 7:48:35 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: NormsRevenge


"The things I have learned in the last month are spectacular," he said.

Wow.

Call a summit. Become an expert. Parrot immediately.

Run for governor.

Declare your campign is immune to "special interests."

Plan to implement plans you learned while becoming an expert.


10 posted on 09/22/2003 7:49:26 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: NormsRevenge
I saw some excerpts last night on KCAL and I must admit AS looked a little silly. However, the key to remember is that AS is running for governor, not to defeat McC. That means he's really got to run as a conservative Dem to knock out Busta-Gut.

Because McC is going to take this thing down to the last day, it's clear to moderate Pubbies that all McC is doing is creating a far-right party that will either leave or be forced out of the GOP.

So now we'll have the Greens at 5% on the left, partisan Dems at 25%, McClintistas at 10% on the right, and the rest of the citizens of this great state getting behind a moderate Pubbie.

11 posted on 09/22/2003 7:50:32 AM PDT by Snerfling
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To: EggsAckley
one more day and then some relief and then warming up again this weekend. :-{ 95 is the expected high..
12 posted on 09/22/2003 7:54:46 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Burning Clinton's Bridges Since 1993)
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To: NormsRevenge
Arrrggghhh.........need.....................air...................conditioner.................
13 posted on 09/22/2003 7:59:59 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: EggsAckley
Thanks for the ping :-) More detail here about his environmental proposals...

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Action Plan for California's Environment


Summary:
California's economic future depends significantly on the quality of our environment. We face serious environmental challenges, which have profound impact on public health and the economy. "Jobs vs. the environment" is a false choice. Overwhelming evidence demonstrates that clean air and water result in a more productive workforce, and a healthier economy, which will contribute to a balanced state budget. Moreover, it is children who suffer disproportionate impacts of environmental toxins. Studies show that children who live near freeways, for example, suffer significantly higher asthma rates and learning disabilities. This administration will protect and restore California's air, water and landscapes so that all the people of California can enjoy the natural beauty that is California.

Full Policy: The Schwarzenegger Administration will protect and restore California's air, water, and landscapes with the following initiatives:

1. Cut Air Pollution Statewide by Up to 50% -- and Restore Independence From Foreign Oil.

Breathing clean and healthy air is a right of all Californians, especially our children, whose health suffers disproportionately when our air is polluted. The future health of California's environment and economy depend on our taking action now.

As Governor I will:

Invest in Hydrogen Highways. Several leading auto manufacturers have stated that they can have tens of thousands of competitively priced hydrogen fuel cell cars on the road by the end of this decade if the fueling infrastructure were is available. I will create a public-private partnership to ensure that before 2010, California has a network of stations in place to allow motorists a real choice of cleaner fuels to put in their tank.

These "Hydrogen Highways" will ensure the availability of hydrogen fueling stations every 20 miles on California's major interstate highways. I will challenge businesses to match the government's investment in these new fueling stations.

Fight for federal dollars for hydrogen fuel development. The federal government plans to spend more than one billion dollars over the next five years to support hydrogen fuel development. I will fight to make sure that a substantial portion of this money is invested in California, and I will seek the maximum benefit from any federal tax incentives.

Expedite clean fuel transportation. Expedite private efforts to build and mass market competitively priced cleaner fuel cars, buses, trucks and generators in California before 2010. I will direct all appropriate state agencies to accelerate use of the cleanest vehicles commercially available to meet the state's transportation needs. I will also encourage municipal, county and federal government agencies in California to do the same.

I will direct the California Energy Commission and California Environmental Protection Agency to ensure that California's fuel marketplace offers producers and consumers a real choice of fuels that are more plentiful, cost-effective and at the same time reduce harmful pollutants and greenhouse gasses. Fuel choices should include compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied natural gas (LNG), ethanol, hydrogen, electric, low-sulfur and non-petroleum diesel blends.

Get gross-polluting vehicles off the road now. Less than 10 percent of vehicles currently operating on California's roads are contributing contribute close to 50 percent of the California's mobile source air pollution. I will insist on strong enforcement of new federal and state requirements for significant reductions in particulate matter and other emissions from diesel-fueled trucks and buses. I will look to expand innovative market-based mechanisms such as "scrappage" systems so that California can obtain the maximum reduction in tons of emitted pollutants at the lowest possible cost to the state. Under my Administration, the state will lead by example - identifying and permanently retiring those heavily used vehicles that do the greatest harm to our air quality.

Protect California's air quality standards for industrial facilities

I will direct the Air Resources Board to examine the impact of the federal decision to exempt new sources of industrial air pollution from "new source review". Encouraging new investment in California's industrial facilities should result in greater protection of workers and families in adjacent neighborhoods.

Relieve Traffic Congestion

I will seek to implement innovative, market-based and means of reducing congestion on California's highways - including congestion pricing, eliminating congestion-causing toll booths when they can easily be replaced by technology, and similar measures.

2. Protect California's Rivers, Bays, and Coastline

California is identified for its beaches and magnificent coastline more than any other single feature. Tourism contributes $75 billion to California's economy, and employs over 1 million Californians. As Governor, I will protect California's coastline by fighting for a permanent ban on all oil drilling in coastal waters and will urge the federal government to purchase the remaining offshore oil leases as it has in Florida.

Reduce Ocean Pollution. I will take action to protect our coasts from sewage and storm water pollution. I will direct state agencies to incorporate pollution-free coastal development techniques, accelerate the repair of leaking sewer systems, and fully implement existing water quality programs, such as municipal storm water permit programs and Total Maximum Daily Load programs. California must handle and treat its sewage under the requirements of the Clean Water Act to protect our oceans and beaches and the people who use them.

Protect Drinking Water. 22 million Californians rely on the San Francisco Bay Delta for the quality of their drinking water. Sacramento's lack of leadership in supporting state and federal cooperation on Delta water management (CAL-FED) has resulted in Congress not funding the CAL-FED program. As Governor, I will urge the Congress to fully restore CAL-FED funding immediately. With proper leadership and resources, CAL-FED can implement the most effective ways of making the best use of our water supplies and encouraging economic growth in California. This will include increased conservation efforts among both urban and agricultural users, and the use of market-based mechanisms to create environmental gains in streams for fish and economic gains for farmers, municipal and industrial users.

Our streams, rivers, lakes, and bays can be better protected through the use of watershed management. As Governor, I will direct Cal/EPA and the Resources Agency to completely overhaul their recent "California Watershed Management MOU" from a bureaucratic do-nothing document to an action plan that will clean up California's most endangered watersheds now. Emphasis will be placed on practical strategies to finance these initiatives using state or private revolving loan funds and seeking California's fair share of federal funding, and making sure that existing permitting fees are targeted toward resource management so that they benefit the environment--not bureaucrats.

Protect the Integrity of our Coasts. I will protect the integrity of the California Coastal Commission, which for decades has served to protect our valuable coastal resources. I will not allow the type of political interference in Coastal Commission decisions that has characterized the current Davis Administration, where special favors were granted in return for campaign contributions, even while the Administration was pledging to protect the coast.

Keep Tahoe Blue. Lake Tahoe is one of California's most precious assets. Since 1970, population in the Tahoe Basin has more than doubled, but our environmental protections have not kept pace. The Environmental Improvement Plan for Lake Tahoe implemented in 1998 by California, Nevada, federal agencies, local governments, Indian tribes and community groups to improve Lake Tahoe's clarity has not been updated for five years. As Governor, I will take action to update the plan to accelerate improvement of Tahoe's waters, trails and wildlife, in order to "Keep Tahoe Blue."

3. Solve California's Electrical Energy Crisis.

An unreliable energy system discourages businesses from locating or even remaining in California, resulting in lost jobs and state revenues, I will take action to prevent brownouts or blackouts, such as those experienced during the Davis Administration in California and this year on the East Coast. Almost one third of California's entire in-state generation base is over 40 years old. I will immediately lay the groundwork to expand the state's power supplies, with special emphasis on clean, renewable sources, through the following steps:

Promote Solar and Renewables. Increase California's use of solar power in cooperation with developers, the Building Industry Association, labor, community organizations, and bi-partisan state legislators to provide incentives for new homes built in California to include solar photovoltaics (PV). The goal of this program would be that, starting in 2005, 50% of new homes would include solar PV. As Governor I will also support the extension of tax credits for businesses and commercial establishments which install on-grid solar photovoltaic and other renewable generation systems.

Increase the Reliability of the Grid. I will work to improve the reliability of the electric grid serving the western United States to prevent the type of blackouts which plagued the eastern United States and Canada during the summer of 2003. I will call for a summit to bring together the state's utilities, contractors, and California Independent System Operator (CAISO) with the Federal government and other states and regional energy interests to strengthen the grid reliability. Investments should be consistent with the CAISO's annual transmission plan and should evaluate demand, transmission, and generation alternatives.

Save Energy Through Green Buildings
A host of case studies demonstrate that retrofitting commercial buildings with energy-saving lighting and other technologies is repaid in five years or less based on electricity savings. Incentives will be established, including a Green Building Bank, using private financing and targeted public loan guarantees, to swiftly retrofit as many buildings as possible, reducing the need for new power plants, saving money for businesses and taxpayers alike, and preserving air quality. The Green Building Bank will also help finance the addition of solar PV on large flat rooftops, repaid over time by the value of the new energy generated.

Increase Renewable Energy. As Governor, I will fully endorse California's Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS), which requires that 20% of the state's total power supplies be generated from renewable sources by 2017. My Administration will also direct the California Energy Commission to define incentives and implement strategies that will target achievement of the 20% standard a full seven years early - - by 2010 - - and set the state on course to derive 33% of its power from renewable sources by 2020.

4. Protect and Restore California's Parks and Open Spaces

Many California families vacation within driving distance, often camping at state parks and beaches. State parks, beaches and trails also generate significant economic activity and tax revenue as a result of fees and other spending in adjacent areas. There is general agreement that park maintenance has been allowed to deteriorate. Improve Our Parks, With Special Emphasis on Access for Seniors and the Disabled.
I will order the Resources Agency to develop a comprehensive facility assessment and improvement plan for state parks, beaches, and coastal access, with emphasis placed on investments that enhance local economies and access for California's seniors and the disabled.

Much of the initial investment for these improvements can come from already approved bond measures, but plans will also be developed to find additional ways to support this important initiative through careful public and private investment.

Protect the Sierra Nevada. A decade of hard work by a broad variety of stakeholders resulted in the Sierra Nevada Framework, a policy document that has been widely hailed as a model of forest ecosystem resource protection. As Governor, I will direct all relevant state agencies to comply fully with the Framework and call on the federal government to honor its pledge to abide by the policies set forth in this unprecedented compact.

The Sierra Nevada Mountain Range is one of the state's crown jewels. Yet, unlike many of California's other natural treasures, it has no conservancy. As Governor I will propose establishment of a Sierra Nevada Mountains Conservancy.

5. Restore Our Urban Environments.

There is currently no effective, widely used mechanism for identifying vacant or underutilized sites in urban areas to evaluate their potential for infill redevelopment. The result is fiscally unsustainable sprawl, traffic congestion on commuter roadways, air pollution, pressure to consume scarce infrastructure resources, and loss of valuable open space. Working with local officials, my Administration will develop an Infill Incentives Package to help local governments deal with the jobs/housing imbalance throughout the State and to spur smarter development by providing a mechanism for planners to identify and evaluate redevelopment of blighted and underutilized sites, allowing cities to accommodate mixed use, compact development and urban infill growth while curtailing urban sprawl.

Address Brownfield Sites. In addition, my Administration will direct appropriate agencies to draft a plan to rapidly complete the cleanup of brownfield sites, especially the thousands of locations with leaking underground petroleum storage tanks, enabling these sites to be developed for productive commercial uses.

Improve Mass Transit. In many locales, strategic improvements or additions to bus, light rail, and subway lines can result in much greater use of existing mass transit, reducing highway congestion and air pollution. As Governor, I will ask the federal government to restore to California its fair share of gasoline tax money generated in the state, along with other federal funds, to assist with critical mass transit improvements.

Focus on Children's Health. Children suffer disproportionate impacts of dirty air, water, and dilapidated urban parks. Cal/EPA and the state Parks Department will be directed to submit an inventory of projects that will immediately improve air quality along freeways adjacent to residential areas, improve aging plumbing in inner-city neighborhoods (that now cause contamination of drinking water for families), and improve parks in neighborhoods with less than two acres of parks per 1,000 residents. Agencies managing recently approved water and park bond funds will be directed to give priorities to these projects. Special emphasis will be placed on projects that measurably reduce childhood asthma by improving both indoor and outdoor air quality.

6. Protect California's Environment Through Tough Enforcement of Existing Laws

Strict law enforcement is vital to assure environmental protection, prevent polluters from achieving unfair competitive advantage against complying competitors, send a message of public values, and establish conditions conducive to creativity and participation in voluntary initiatives.

My Administration will focus on keeping underlying statutes and regulations simple; simple rules are easiest to follow and comply with; unnecessarily complex rules are hard to comply with, hard to enforce, and encourage evasion. Particular attention will be given to better use of information technologies with strict, clear and rapid penalties for intentional or negligent misstatements or omissions

Government should be held accountable for environmental protection to the same extent as private parties and should be held to the same enforcement standards. To greatest possible extent, environmental enforcement settlements should be used to provide direct environmental improvement through supervised projects, rather than having all penalties go to government treasuries.

http://www.joinarnold.com/en/agenda/#D1



14 posted on 09/22/2003 8:05:21 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Tamsey
BUMP!!
15 posted on 09/22/2003 8:09:31 AM PDT by EggsAckley (..........I *LOVE* hitting the abuse button...............)
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To: NormsRevenge
His plan calls for reducing freeway congestion by charging less in bridge tolls during off-peak hours

What the heck is this supposed to mean? I can see how elminating the tolls during certain hours could cut congestion, but wouldn't lowering them encourage more motorists to use the bridges?

16 posted on 09/22/2003 8:12:13 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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You've got to be kidding right? This plan didn't come directly from Arnold. It came from the environmetal wacko movement and Arnold's chief environmental advisor and liberal icon, RFK jr. However, Arnold has given his stamp of approval to it and thereby, is responsible for it. I doubt Arnold understands much of what is contained in this section, but I'm sure he will be well coached on this issue, for his one debate appearence.

The plan thats been posted on Arnold's website, continues big governemnt intervention and business as a usual attitude towards the environment in California. It is a policy document that any liberal would be proud of.

No conservative and no good Republican candidate would allow the liberal establishment a hand in writing policy agenda. Then again, Arnold isn't a conservative Republican. Right? He's a liberal RINO.

17 posted on 09/22/2003 10:17:51 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Reagan Man
More brilliant campaign strategy, as simple as that :-)

As far you folks pitching fits over every liberal name linked with this campaign, who better than RFK, Jr. to tell him what the environmentally-inclined voters care about? Environment is a hot button in California, even to some (gasp) Republican voters. Obviously Arnold isn't letting him draw up the plans, if you actually read it, you'll notice that SUV's are still legal ;-)
18 posted on 09/22/2003 10:48:59 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Carry_Okie
I know you're going to think this is a snide pot-shot, and although I support Schwarzenegger, this does seem to be your best bet so here goes.

At 14% McClintock is dead meat. Whether you wish to face the fact or not, he is not going to be elected. Since most of you have already made it perfectly clear you'd rather have Bustamante than Schwarzenegger, I would suggest you folks vote "no", then Bustamante.

You'll definately prevent Schwarzenegger from being elected. Instead of just flirting with the idea by voting for Tom, just go ahead and vote for Cruz and sew up the decision and quit leaving it to chance.

I'll disagree with this, but I do believe it makes sense from the McClintock camp's perspective.
19 posted on 09/22/2003 11:18:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Tamsey
>>>More brilliant campaign strategy, as simple as that

LOL Thanks for a good laugh.

>>>...who better than RFK, Jr. to tell him what the environmentally-inclined voters care about?

More evidence that Arnold is a liberal RINO.

Conservative Republicans do not have liberal environmentalist wackos on their campaigns and especially not in such a high advisory position. Period. The fact you can't come to terms with this simple fact, says a lot about your politics. Your continued defense of Arnold, which overlooks his non-existent conservative principles and a total lack of Republican conviction, isn't doing your credibility any good.

20 posted on 09/22/2003 11:25:42 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: DoughtyOne
At 14% McClintock is dead meat. Whether you wish to face the fact or not, he is not going to be elected. Since most of you have already made it perfectly clear you'd rather have Bustamante than Schwarzenegger, I would suggest you folks vote "no", then Bustamante.

A cynical, sarcastic personal attack that totally avoided the real issue: will voting for Arnold benefit California Republicans?

I'm about half-way through analyzing his policy in detail and I can tell you that the answer on this issue is clearly, not. It may help investors on Wall Street and those big corporations that play both sides, but from what I read of what Mr. Kennedy produced, Arnold will be even more destructive to the California Republican base than Wilson or even Davis. It's a fact. What most people don't know or understand is the MASSIVE environmental damage that WILL result, whether the outcome is Davis, Bustamante, or Arnold.

I might throw McClintock right in with them for different reasons, but I don't really know where he stands on environmental issues. I'm hoping to influence him through his campaign and put a call in to his chief of staff this morning. I'd really like to get these issues into the public debate, rather than see this continued destrcutive demagoguery.

21 posted on 09/22/2003 11:38:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Reagan Man
Exactly the response I expected to get from you, darling... have a nice afternoon :-)
22 posted on 09/22/2003 11:45:29 AM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Tamsey
>>>Exactly the response I expected to get from you, darling... have a nice afternoon

Cop-Out! Its the right proper answer coming from someone whose a conservative Republican. The fact you keep running from the debate, shows you can't defend Arnoldgore's position.

23 posted on 09/22/2003 11:53:22 AM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Reagan Man
The fact you keep running from the debate

That's what you don't understand. I'm not running from debate because you DON'T debate... you spin, dodge and attack. I don't think you can help it, actually.

You and I have gone around and around on all these issues before and gotten nowhere. I could care less about the insults and jabs, what I do care about it not wasting more time on the same exact non-productive arguments. These threads are hostile and cluttered enough with that garbage, I'm not going to keep adding to it with the same fights with the same members when I know how they'll wind up. Try it yourself, you might like it LOL

Toodles ;-)

24 posted on 09/22/2003 12:12:03 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Tamsey
You've really developed into one whiny little Arnoldnaut and someone who distorts the truth because you can't defend Arnold on the issues. You have no desire to engage me in real debate and you made that abundantly clear, when you didn't answer my last challenge a while back. Remember that? LOL

You're the one whose been spining and dodging. Not to mention taking cheap shots at Tom McClintock. Here we have a fairly popular GOP candidate (TM garnered more votes then anyother GOP candidate in 2000 election) and bonafide conservative without a hint of scandal in his past and go around insulting and smearing him, because he won't step aside for Arnold the liberal.

I understand your plight. Its difficult defending an empty suit like Arnold. Carry on.

25 posted on 09/22/2003 12:37:08 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Reagan Man
Chow for now ;-)
26 posted on 09/22/2003 12:43:56 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: Tamsey
From Arnold's plans: "Much of the initial investment for these improvements can come from already approved bond measures, ..."

Boy, that's a relief. For a second there I thought somebody was going to have to pay for these things.

27 posted on 09/22/2003 5:47:26 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: NormsRevenge
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28 posted on 09/22/2003 11:15:58 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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