Giving the devil [Saudi Arabia] his due - [Mulshine]

Newark Star Ledger ^ | 9/21/03 | Paul Mulshine

[Incorrigible]

President Bush's attack on terrorism has been taking a beating on its right flank lately -- and for good reason. Domestically, the Bush administration has done little about illegal immigration and remains all too cozy with people openly sympathetic to terrorists.

[Incorrigible]

Pretty pessimistic alright but...

[theFIRMbss]

> it allows those who matter in Washington to sleep soundly in their Georgetown townhouses and suburban mini-mansions and faux chateaus"

Yes, if your Chateau
has disco-girl ceilings, then
it just might be faux...

[appalachian_dweller]

>> the American people live in a dreamland <<

That about says it all. Ignoring the threat does not make it go away. It makes it grow stronger.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Not only is this piece "pessimistic" but "ANOTHER" of the "MULTITUDE" of "experts" we have on the middle east. Ughhhhhh

Which is why we never have solutions to the problems over there in the first place. We just keep spinning our wheels in the mud.. saying "Whatcha gonna do Mabel??"

It would be wise to remember a "few" points when reading this article.

1) We need oil. (What is even more frustrating to both of us is that President Bush can't even get this stupid Congress to consider drilling oil! Having worked on the North Slope, we know there is NO IMPACT to the tundra to even consider!)

2) bin Laden's home WAS Saudi Arabia, but his citizenship was revoked in the 1990's and he has reviled its alliance with the United States during the Gulf War to the present.

Just today I read that the Saudis have suggested for months that bin Laden is trying to drive a wedge between the United States and their Kingdom, hoping to fracture the alliance. We all know he hates us, and we all know he hates the Saudi Royals!

I think the Saudi's need to "clean house" to show their sincerity. The sooner the better. But I also think there is a lot of truth to the notion that bin Laden is attempting to drive a wedge in our relations.

So, we are left with al Queda/bin Laden and his scum and any who harbor him or protected him or financed him, etc.

President Bush has made it clear, that we will not "wait" for an attack before we protect our people in the future. In this house we applaud that decision. We used to understand that as a nation.

The Wahhabi/Isalamist Extremist groups are plotting and trying to execute attacks on Americans. IF they THREATEN us, we should pre-emptively attack them. Their INTENT is EXACTLY the same as 9-11. To destroy us. They hate us and all that we stand for. We "are" the "infidels".

9-11 was a wake up call. Afghanistan was our first call back, we answered the call of 9-11. Saddam Hussein was our call back to future threats. He always has threatened us, and he didn't answer questions of a serious nature in 1998. He had ample opportunity to show the UN he was innocent and NOT a threat, but instead DEFIED the world to HIS OWN PERIL and demise. Obviously we were correct, because the terrorists have answered our call and met us on the battle field in Iraq. As one soldier so aptly put it, "we have to win, otherwise I got blown up for nothing"

Just reading what Khalid Shaikh Mohammed had to say regarding 9-11 and the plans he and bin Laden made should be a wake up call to all Americans. But Americans have to "read" what he had to say first.

I have a feeling the only thing they will hear is what some Democratic Presidential wannabe will tell them! Which is unadulterated BS!! Dangerous BS to boot. Instead of supporting the US and getting behind what should have been done to protect us all these years, they listen to cries supporting, aiding and abetting our enemies!! Some Americans listen to the nightly liberal news, or Candidates saying horrific things about Commander in Chief (and by saying it about his job, saying it about the job our troops are doing!). The HATRED is palpable!

A little lesson in history is needed to remind those who can't remember:

Terrorists have grown bolder. They thought if they hit America hard, America would retreat and back down.

When al-Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center in 1993. Clinton and Al Gore slapped the terrorists wrists.

When al-Qaeda attacked American troops in Somalia and then again when they attacked the Khobar Towers, a dormitory housing American soldiers, Clinton and Al Gore slapped their wrists again.

Terrorists then attacked the USS Cole, and Clinton and Al Gore backed down once again.

SO THEY GOT EVEN BOLDER AND HIT US ON 9-11!!!

President Bush was quoted as saying: "Five years ago, one of the terrorists said that an attack could make America run in less than 24 hours. They’re learning something different today. The terrorists have not seen America running"

President Bush also said this: "Retreat in the face of terror would only invite further and bolder attacks. There will be no retreat."

We are left with all these "experts" giving us all these nice little articles that do NOTHING to "FIX" the problem.

I happen to think this administration is doing a LOT to fix what was left to flourish unfettered for far too long.

Because of that, I have faith he is handling the "delicate" balance in the Middle East just right too!

[.cnI redruM]

Yeah, as soon as GM rolls out that car that runs on pig sh_t, we can toast the House of Saud on a thermonuclear George Foreman grill. Those lab boys better get to work.

[swarthyguy]

Bush's achilles heel. The voters are ahead of him on this issue, particularly conservatives who have pounding on the Saudi threat for ages.

Sooner or later, maybe even the Democrats will wake up and use this issue to beat up on Bush.

But since even they are as much in the pockets of the Saudis as the Republicans, I would not be surprised if they don't address it at all.

Which leaves America up the Saudi creek without a paddle.

[AdamSelene235]

I think the Saudi's need to "clean house" to show their sincerity. The sooner the better. But I also think there is a lot of truth to the notion that bin Laden is attempting to drive a wedge in our relations.

The House of Saud has purchased nuclear weapons for unstable Islamic Pakistan, funnelled 500 million to Al Queda, routinely kidnaps and rapes American citizens, and had the friggin chariman of the 911 investigation on their payroll.

This is scarely a wedge driven by Osama.

[AdamSelene235]

The Sauduction of Washington

http://www.sauduction.com

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The Newsletter the Saud family and their Washington retainers love to hate.

[AdamSelene235]

There are plenty of people in the Bush government who would like to see a much tougher stand on the Saudi government, but almost any goverment that would come in in the wake of a revolution would be considerably more hostile to the US.

Like the Taliban? Boo hoo. We know what to do with such people.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

This administration is "fully" aware of multitude of situations and their consequences going on "simultaneously" in the middle east.

It is MOST DEFINITELY a complex matter.

This administration is quite capable and able to address the complexity of it due to their expertise. In fact, as a nation we should be grateful that they are in charge. They inherited this mess. One that was allowed to grow for many years because no one wanted to address the threat.

Wishing it away didn't work then, it won't work now.

[AdamSelene235]

This administration is quite capable and able to address the complexity of it due to their expertise.

Expertise? Nice euphemism.

Why was Kissinger appointed to the 911 investigation while on the payroll of "our friends"?

Why are WMDs in Iraq a big deal but not Saudi funding of nukes in Pakistan? Don't you think they got a little something in return?

High ranking CIA, FBI, Treasury,etc, etc, officials retire from D.C. on Friday and go to work for the Saudi's on Monday. Saudi is D.C.'s 401K plan. The 911 attacks were the fruits of this betrayal. Even today while we are still recovering the dead, we lack the courage to name our attackers.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

So tell me.... explain why we don't just go in and bomb the hell out of Saudia Arabia? I'm waiting...

I hear arm chair "Generals" like you complain all the time about how Kissinger was on the payroll of the Saudi's, or how President Bush 41 is their friend, or how this President is. The truth of the matter is people like you are just bitter, average minded joe blows who are green with envy over better people than you. Conspiracy freaks who see evil in everything.

Do you think every FBI agent or CIA agent is bad? Do you imagine that they all retire and work for Saudi Arabia if they work in an important area? Good grief... I've heard some assinine things before, but that took the cake.

BTW, if you don't think a lot of things are going on behind the scene after 19 Saudi nationals were involved in 9-11, then you epitomize the meaning of "ignorant".

[AdamSelene235]

So tell me.... explain why we don't just go in and bomb the hell out of Saudia Arabia? I'm waiting...

Because the oil supply would become inelastic and we'd be looking at $120 a barrel, inflation and unemployment would skyrocket, the DOW would dip and the incumbents would get thrown out on their rears.

As it stands, we have to wait until Iraq is cranking out at least 5 million barrels a day before we can hit Saudi. Assuming the House of Saud isn't brought down by internal element before then, in which case we will likely invade using Iraq as staging ground. Unfortunately the collapse of the HOS is likely to start with some flip flopped jihadi blowing the Abqaiq extralight crude complex or some equally crucial facility.

Do you think every FBI agent or CIA agent is bad? Do you imagine that they all retire and work for Saudi Arabia if they work in an important area? Good grief... I've heard some assinine things before, but that took the cake.

Your words, not mine. Most of the CIA agents I have known have been patriotic, highly intelligent and very very straight arrows. That's the problem, the selection mechanism filters out exactly the sort of people they need. People who color outside the lines don't last very long at the FBI & CIA. And, of course, the majority of agents are not bad. However, it is difficult to ignore the fact that our national security has been badly damaged by some people in DC choosing Saudi money over the vigilance required to safeguard this nation.