Assassin secretly deported after JFK killed

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[Leatherneck_MT]

I have never really taken a look at these things, but since you mentioned it I think I will go back and examine that aspect of this more carefully.

It's interesting to note that there were alot of different "Oswald's" running around prior to the events in Dallas. Lee was either the most outstanding disguise artist I have ever had the pleasure of seeing, or, he was a CIA operative. No other type of organization does this.

Also one of the things I always found odd was why he took a Russian Language Exam that is given by the Military. Being a Radar Operator he would have had very little to no use for Russian as a language. He also did marginally well with it considering his background. But why did he do it? You don't just go "Take" the test unless you are going into the ITT field (Interrogator Translator), or, unless you are doing something for the DIA (Defense Intell Agency). I tried to join the ITT ranks when I was a young devil dog in Camp Lejeune. The requirements were pretty rigid and there was no way I was going to pass the entry level language exam (Matter of fact I failed it with flying colors). As far as I know, something was afoot way back then unless there were different requirements back then that I'm not aware of.

He got his wife involved in the Russian Community at the Dallas County Library when they returned from Russia. She was taking English classes that were being given there by an organization run by a Count Demorensheldt (spelling is probably not accurate).

Alot of things in Oswald's past pointed directly to an involvement with the Intel field. I'm sure there are alot of Intel people out there who can verify this. Strange thing for a Radar operator to be involved in IMO.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Sounds good.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Now I am supposed to believe that removing a scope and later reattaching it will not require sighting it in again? Lord.

It was not "dropped from three feet" except in your imagination.

[Shooter 2.5]

Where is your proof the scope was removed?

I never once insisted the rifle was dropped to the floor. I presented the idea that it may have been dropped affecting the scope alignment.

Since Oswald would never own the rifle again.
He didn't have a lot of time to get to the breakroom.
Because the rifle wasn't at the window.
Because it was surrounded by boxes.

Check my posts.

[mo]

Its called "compartmentalization"..into "cells" -individuals who each have a piece of a job to do blinded to the role of others....which is why IMHO it clearly was an alphabet agency job..

[justshutupandtakeit]

Atsugi was intel all the way. That is where the U2s were flown out of. Marina said years later that there were many aspects of LHO's life which only make sense if he was following orders from someone else.

deMohrenshelt was only one of the White Russian community which welcomed Oswald. Typically it would have scorned any contact with "defectors" and left leaning types as Oswald claimed to be.

In addition, there are documented meetings with the FBI which it made every effort to hide including destruction of evidence.

Oswald is the only assassin who did not acknowledge the deed and who had absolutely NO motive. In fact, he was known to admire JFK and made no secret of it.

[BigBobber]

We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did.

Perhaps you can tell us what the "it" was they were trying to duplicate?

Oswald shot three times at Kennedy's head (the only part of his body visible in the limo). One shot missed completely. One shot hit him in the back. The third and fatal shot just grazed Kennedy's skull. None of Ozwald's shots were a direct hit on the intended target.

Are you telling me the Marine sharpshooter could not duplicate two misses and a near miss out of three shots? If this is true we are all in trouble.

[Euro-American Scum]

Bump! for future reference.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Your immediately prior post claimed just that. "Dropping it onto a floor from a three feet height would affect the accuracy..." But the scope had a bigger problem than that as FBI agent Frazier testified. He said it had a "defect" and was mounted without possibility of accurate sighting. Army ordinance people had to repair it before it could be used.

But the real point is there was no chance for Oswald to sight-in the scope after all the moving around the country in car trunks and after the rifle was disassembled and reassembled. But I guess it takes a "magic gun" with "magic sights" to shoot a "magic bullet."

[justshutupandtakeit]

Preparations for killing Castro began before the Kennedys were in office and were hidden from CIA higher-ups as well as the Kennedy brothers. This is a controversial point but the man in charge of these attempts (Willian Harvey, I believe) said that RFK was furious when told about these actions and ordered in no uncertain terms that it stop. In fact, it continued for another six months or so after it was supposed to end. Allen Dulles' successor was unaware of these actions. Richard Helms told the Senate that he was not told because being new the Director would not understand the alliance with the Mob so he was spared that embarassing knowledge.

Evidence (as well as John Roselli's remarks) indicate that the apparatus put in place to kill Castro was turned against JFK.

[Zack Nguyen]

Then that is in direct contradiction to Hersch's revelations in Dark Side of Camelot. He seems to paint the Kennedy's as knowing everything and encouraging it along. The alliance with mob has to go down as among the dumbest decisions ever made by a military/intelligence institution.

[Shooter 2.5]

If you owned a rifle and had any experience with it, you would know that taking the stock off of it doesn't effect accuracy or the scope to receiver alignment.

If you know so much about this "Defect", how far away was the point of aim to the point of impact at 88 yards?

[justshutupandtakeit]

The back of Kennedy's head was blown out according to the undertaker. That was no "graze" but a blast. Kennedy was hit three times: the back, the throat and the head. AND Connelly was hit.

No one has duplicated the shots with that rifle within that time span that is the "it." How do you believe he was able to shoot even semi-accurately with a rifle which had a scope that was defective (according to FBI testimony) and which was mounted so poorly that the Army had to repair it before the FBI made the few feeble attempts at proving it had been used?

This is a rifle which according to WC had been moved around the country and shot by a man who had NO chance to calibrate it or to practice. It is also NOT the same rifle as was ordered nor was it ever claimed that tests shown it had been fired that day. This lack of claim indicates to me that it was tested and there was no proof of such a firing in other words the tests were negative.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I know that handling any rifle affects the sighting of a scope and that the slightest jar can misalign the scope. This is not a controversial point.

Frazier's testimony gets into the question you ask. Look it up.

[Shooter 2.5]

and that the slightest jar can misalign the scope.

Actually that's still not correct. Removing the receiver from the stock will not affect accuracy. The slightest jar will not affect accuracy because recoil doesn't affect accuracy.

Dropping it on the ground between a number of boxes after it was used to kill a president would affect accuracy.

[Shooter 2.5]

No test exists to prove a rifle has been fired on the same day. There are only indications that it had been fired.

And yes, they are saying that a Marine didn't have the skill to hit a head and shoulders target at 88 yards away two out of three times.

[tpaine]

justshutupandtakeit wrote:

"This is not a controversial point."

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You are missing the main thrust of this issue.
There ~must~ be controversial 'points' to sing about to refute any critique of the Warren Reports sacred script.

This subject is a bit like trying to reason with a bible thumper about angels on the heads of pins.

[tpaine]

Also.. -- Did the 'Oswald' rifles scope mounting leave open the option of using that rifles original sights?
-tpaine-

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Leatherneck_MT wrote:
Of that I'm not sure, ---

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Me neither..

Isn't it amazing that apparently the Report did not address that issue?

Perhaps we could get one of my favorite gun experts to look up the facts of the matter in the 26 volume Scottish lawbooks.. Snooter?

[PhilDragoo]

Craig Roberts, Kill Zone, CPI, 1994, pages 89-90:

According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the U.S. Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators. Gunny Hathcock, now retired, is the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills--and a total of over 300 actual kills counting those unconfirmed. He now conducts police SWAT team sniper schools across the country. When I called him to ask if he had seen the Zapruder film, he chuckled and cut me off. "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico," he began. "We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can't do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it?"

Craig Roberts is coauthor with Charles Sasser of One Shot One Kill on military snipers beginning with Carlos Hathcock as Chapter One. Roberts is a member of the U.S. Marine Corps Scout/Sniper Association.

The Warren Commission has stipulated that only three shots were fired and all of them by Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth floor eastern window of the Texas School Book Depository.

The Commission further stipulates that one bullet missed, struck the curb 20 feet from the overpass and injured Tague's cheek. The curb was patched before the FBI test, making the test worthless.

The Commission insists only a single bullet caused the wounds to Kennedy's head--yet the Parkland Memorial physicians noted a major defect of the occipital or back of the skull, and the recovered skull fragment, the Harper fragment was occipital.

The large occipital defect indicates a rear exit inconsistent with a rear entry, hence Oswald is excluded.

The Parkland personnel observing and describing this large rear defect include:

Dr. Charles Crenshaw
Dr. Ronald Jones
Dr. Charles Carrico
Dr. Richard Dulaney
Dr. Robert McClelland
Dr. Paul Peters
Dr. Kenneth Salyer
Nurse Audrey Bell
Theran Ward
Aubrey Rike
Jerrol Custer
Paul O'Connor
Floyd Riebe
Frank O'Neill (FBI agent)
Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses:
Beverly Oliver
Phillip Willis
Marilyn Willis
Ed Hoffman

The major defect in the rear of the skull disappeared in autopsy photos, no greater feat than Kennedy's brain performed, weighing 1500 grams per autopsy report, yet being absent in its entirety when its stainless cylinder was opened.

The Commission fantasized a Magic Bullet whose entry had to be much higher than Kennedy's actual back wound, 5-3/8" down from his coat collar, 5-3/4" down from his shirt collar according to FBI measurements.

Yet the autopsists stated this back wound did not penetrate beyond the first digit of a finger, thus used up one of the three precious shots without accomplishing its assigned task.

The Commission, relying upon Arlen Specter, insisted this Magic Bullet, entered Kennedy in his neck. Commissioner Gerald Ford maintained this to the end--yet that would be a fourth bullet, fatal to the Commission's assignment of all culpability to Oswald.

In addition, Kennedy's throat wound was described by the Parkland Memorial physicians as small, round, edges inward indicating a wound of entry from a shot fired from in front of Kennedy, not behind, not from the infamous "sniper's nest".

[This small round wound of entry was neatly slit for a trache tube, but the Parkland physicians were shocked to see it had been ripped open to a gaping gash by the time of autopsy photos--it had to be, for the Magic Bullet was a-comin' through.]

Yet the Magic Bullet must proceed out this entry to go on to cause five wounds in Connally--though Governor and Mrs. Connally maintained he was not hit with the same bullet that hit Kennedy.

Further, Connally retained fragments which could not have come from the Magic Bullet, Commission Exhibit 399. That bullet lacked only the two grains cut from its base for analysis.

The bullet itself retained its pristine shape--a phenomenon never duplicated with such a bullet causing seven wounds in two men including two through bone. Such bullets are severely malformed, not pristine.

The first shots were obscured by the live oak tree, making it necessary for a sixth-floor shooter to rely on divine providence rather than sighting.

Oswald's fellow Marine Nelson Delgado testified to Oswald's lack of shooting skill:

Q. Did you fire with Oswald?

Delgado: Right; I was in the same line. By that I mean we were on line together, the same time, but not firing at the same position, but at the same time, and I remember seeing his. It was a pretty big joke, because he got a lot of "Maggie's drawers", you know a lot of misses, but he didn't give a darn.

Q: Missed the target completely?

Delgado: He just qualified, that's it. He wasn't as enthusiastic as the rest of us. We all loved--liked, you know, going to the range.

[The target is on a large canvas sheet. Ignominy for a novice occurs when he misses the sheet completely. Then the person in the target pit scoring the result waves a red flag or "Maggie's drawers".]

Oswald couldn't hit a stationary target, but FBI agents still spent hours badgering Delgado to make him change his story. Then when they could not, the Commission simply ignored Delgado's testimony.

Hathcock's was the only recreation using the exact parameters according to the Commission, and he states his Marines could not duplicate the shooting ascribed to Oswald.

Oswald could not have done the shooting, for the package of curtain rods he carried that morning was described in testimony of Buell Wesley Frazier and Mrs. Linnie Mae Randle to FBI agents who measured and determined in each separate description to have been 27 inches long, too short to contain the longest piece of either of the two models of Mannlicher-Carcano at issue--but exactly the length of other curtain rods in the Paine garage: 27 inches.

Not to mention no one saw Oswald carry anything into the Depository that morning. Which is not surprising since no one saw Oswald pick up any package from the post office box of A. Hidell, nor would Oswald have been authorized.

Which is not surprising, since Oswald was on the clock working at the Depository when the postal money order to Klein's was purchased.

Yet a weapon is of no use without bullets and no one can show Oswald ever bought ammunition for the rifle he didn't buy, carry into the Depository nor shoot out the window--

For the only witness to that act did not identify Oswald at the police lineup, and described his vision as "bad", yet leapt at his fifteen minutes of fame by claiming to have seen a gunman standing at a window 120 feet away, and to be able to state the man's height--

Although the Commission established that no man could be standing at the window shooting--for he would be shooting through the glass.

The consistency is the complete disconnect between the Commission's stipulations and reality. In that, the documentation is perfection itself.