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Norwood Uses Eminent Domain To Take Properties
WCPO.com ^ | 9/23/03 10:49:28 PM | 9News / Stacy Puzo

Posted on 09/24/2003 6:17:31 AM PDT by areeves79

Norwood City Council decided Tuesday to take nine different properties by using eminent domain. The declaration from Norwood council means the homes and businesses near Edwards Road will be taken for a new development.

All but nine homes and business owners have agreed to sell to a developer who is planning on a $125 million expansion of Rookwood Commons mall.

Earlier Tuesday, those nine home and business owners filed a suit, refusing to sell saying their neighborhood isn't blighted.

The neighbors still holding-out are asking a judge to step in and stop the city from going any further.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: blightstudy; eminentdomain; landgrab; legalizedtheft; norwood; propertyrights; rookwood
Now before you judge Norwood too much, let me say that I live there and I think they did what was best for the city.
1 posted on 09/24/2003 6:17:31 AM PDT by areeves79
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To: areeves79
I was going to say something about violating property rights, but obviously if you feel it's for the best, that trumps any petty rights other people may have.
2 posted on 09/24/2003 6:20:33 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: areeves79
What does Dingell have to say about all this?
3 posted on 09/24/2003 6:22:34 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: areeves79
Only by the WCPO can we tell this is east of the Mississippi, and your profile that it's in Ohio. Thanks for the great info.

So you beleive it's OK for a city government to take peoples homes for developement by a private entity?
4 posted on 09/24/2003 6:27:18 AM PDT by ctlpdad (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)
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To: areeves79
Cat got your tongue? I would love to see your reasons why businesses can take property at will, with your blessings.
5 posted on 09/24/2003 6:32:49 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: areeves79
Doesn't matter what you think. What matters is that these peoples private property rights are being infringed.
6 posted on 09/24/2003 6:35:32 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: areeves79
I think they did what was best for the city.

Hitler did what he thought was best for the world. I'll bet Stalin did what he thought was best for Russia, and Fidel thought he did what was best for Cuba..........

7 posted on 09/24/2003 6:48:11 AM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: AAABEST
PING
8 posted on 09/24/2003 6:48:49 AM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: farmfriend
I don't think this is near your home, but it's a property rights thing. that's one of your deals, right?
9 posted on 09/24/2003 6:50:41 AM PDT by ctlpdad (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)
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To: All
Please just ignore my opinion, because that is simply all it is. Like I said I live in Norwood and therefore my opinion is bias. Most people in the city feel the same way as I do, even the people that live in the area discussed.

80% of the people that live in that area signed up to sell right away and they are the same ones that fought hard for the use of eminent domain. Yes and there were also some that fought against it too, but not as many as you would think.

I wish I could find all the the other stories linked to this, if I do find more I will post them.
10 posted on 09/24/2003 6:54:17 AM PDT by areeves79 (See, you just read this. Now don't you feel smart?)
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To: areeves79
There shouldn't even be a situation for the property owners to ask for eminent domain. This is reserved for public neccessities, not private developers who do not want to pay the fair price for property.

I wonder if it will be your property next, and how much you will howl that WalMart wants your home.
11 posted on 09/24/2003 6:59:41 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: areeves79
Now before you judge Norwood too much, let me say that I live there and I think they did what was best for the city.

If I took all your money it would be the best for me.

If I took all Bill Gates money and gave it to Norwood it would be the best for the city.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 7:03:00 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: areeves79
Ahhh...Norwood and Cincinnati. Brings back many fond memories of my old home town.

I used to live over in Brentwood. We spent many a beautiful Summer day in Winton Woods up in the Forest Park area. Playing baseball, swimming and washing down the grilled brats with a bottle of Vernor's Ginger Ale. Those were the days.

13 posted on 09/24/2003 7:03:43 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: areeves79
Like I said I live in Norwood 1820 Virginia and therefore my opinion is bias. Most people slaveholders in the city feel the same way as I do, even the people slave holders that live in the area discussed.

Mr. Fixit at your service.

14 posted on 09/24/2003 7:07:32 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: Conservababe
Oh the private developer paid a fair price, everyone that signed up for the sell to begin with got atleast twice what their property was worth. These last nine were greedy and wanted way too much. For example, this marketing design company wanted one million for this little two bedroom house that they used as an office, needless to say it wasn't apraised that high.

Also if I get offered what these people did, I will sign up in a heartbeat to sell and I wouldn't care who the developer was. Don't mistake me as someone who is tied to my home.
15 posted on 09/24/2003 7:21:36 AM PDT by areeves79
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To: areeves79
If someone doesn't want to sell then there is no such thing as a fair price.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 7:24:07 AM PDT by Durus
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To: areeves79
I am a strong supporter of local government as opposed to dicates from the state capital or Washington. However, local governments can be, in their own small way, as abusive as their bigger brothers. We had an incident of a similar nature a few years ago in Hurst, Texas (suburb of Fort Worth), where eminent domain was used to seize homes in order to facilitate the expansion of Northeast Mall. If the power of eminent domain is to be used, it must be restricted to its original common law intent: public necessity or the common good. Society cannot function without roads, railways, utility lines, etc. It can function without one more "big box" store or larger mall.
17 posted on 09/24/2003 7:25:06 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: areeves79
I have been over in that area and it is not that damn bad compared to other areas of that city. Norwood is still smarting from not being able to name the area after themselves because of nearby Hyde Park.

I am so glad I moved!!
18 posted on 09/24/2003 7:28:47 AM PDT by Baby Bear
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To: areeves79
I have friends who live in Norwood. My college roommate was from Norwood. Hope it all works for the best.
19 posted on 09/24/2003 7:30:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: areeves79
Most people in the city feel the same way as I do

Most people agreed with slavery, most people agree to infringing the rights of smokers........We have to respect the law or we have anarchy. Property rights are of the highest importance in a free society.

20 posted on 09/24/2003 7:32:35 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: areeves79
These last nine were greedy and wanted way too much. For example, this marketing design company wanted one million for this little two bedroom house that they used as an office, needless to say it wasn't apraised that high.

Irrelevant. If I want something & the owner insists on an outrageous price, I simply refrain from purchasing it. I DON'T hold a gun to his head as a negotiating tactic.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 7:41:38 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: areeves79
These last nine were greedy and wanted way too much. For example, this marketing design company wanted one million for this little two bedroom house that they used as an office, needless to say it wasn't apraised that high.

If they wanted a million bucks for their property, then the developer should have paid if he wanted it that badly. If he didn't want to do so, he should have said goodbye to the plan.

But this running to the government to have eminent domain enacted to steal private property for private business...has to stop.

I will guess that your city government argued that they would get more taxes from the Mall than from property owners, thus it was in the public good.

Okay, if they get away with this, the next time around the developers will offer below appraisal and go to the city again if sellers balk.

22 posted on 09/24/2003 7:44:26 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: areeves79
"What about Dingel-Norwood?" - Al Gore
24 posted on 09/24/2003 7:52:44 AM PDT by superfluousdude
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To: areeves79
Why sho' we hung that nigra, but it wuz best fo' the community.
25 posted on 09/24/2003 7:53:24 AM PDT by bvw
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To: areeves79
These last nine were greedy and wanted way too much. For example, this marketing design company wanted one million for this little two bedroom house that they used as an office, needless to say it wasn't apraised that high.

Greedy? I think they call it "location location location". If a person owns the property then they have the right to demand any price for it. A property owner also has the right to not sell.

The government has no right to force citizens to sell their property so a private developer may benefit. If the property owners can't work out a deal in the free market then it's "game over". Tough luck for the developer. The idea of having the government deciding "fair market value" is really absurd.

I can't believe there are people who think this government-assisted theft of property is justified. It's really quite disturbing.
26 posted on 09/24/2003 7:55:50 AM PDT by Eric Cassano
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To: areeves79
I'm afraid that your are on the wrong side with this issue.
Either that or you are on the wrong forum.

Private property rights should top the wants of a corporation running to the city because someone wouldn't sell EVERY time.

If the corporation wants the property let them pay what the property owners wants as a price. If the property owner wants too much, build around them and leave them a right of way that is also the truck route to get to the newly built part.
Running to the city/county/state for eminent domain to get what the corporation wants is wrong!
Eminent domain needs to return to what it was originally meant for.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 8:01:28 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: areeves79
When new visitors drive into our town, they will see a Wal Mart on the right along with multiple large businesses and large office buildings. To the left, they will see a large working dairy farm of many acres. They are always amazed to see a farm in the midst of commercial property.

This farmer's land is valued in square feet instead of acres, because of the prime location.

He does not want to sell. I would hate to think what the people of this town would do to our city government who tried such a trick to take his land.
28 posted on 09/24/2003 8:17:16 AM PDT by Conservababe
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To: areeves79
Please check out http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988594/posts for another story on this subject
29 posted on 09/24/2003 10:11:38 AM PDT by ctlpdad (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)
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To: 1Old Pro
If there is an award for post of the day, yours should win. Absolute truth. Property rights are what our nation was founded on.
30 posted on 09/24/2003 10:16:00 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: Wallace T.
I remember the battle over Northeast Mall. When some of the homeowners refused to sell, the city stepped in, disconnected all utilities and then condemned the properties. There was even one instance where city employees smashed down the front door of a home to get inside, only to find that the owners were still living there. While the homeowners lawsuit was being battled in the courts, the city came in and bulldozed the 'condemned' homes.

I never did hear if there was a final decision made in the lawsuit. I'd appreciate hearing about the final outcome, if you know.

31 posted on 09/24/2003 11:23:03 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt ( Gun Control - The difference between Lexington Green and Tiennimen Square.)
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