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Drafting Our Daughters: Why do American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters?
http://covenantnews.com/trewhella030520.htm ^ | Matt Trewhella

Posted on 09/24/2003 8:21:32 AM PDT by xzins

 

In January of this year, 2003, a bill was introduced both in the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives which would re-institute the military draft. This bill would not only allow the government to draft our sons however (as bad as that is itself), but it would also allow the government to draft our daughters into the military for two years.

Recently, I was listening to a Christian radio talk show discussing this bill. The question laid out to the Christian men was - what do you think about the government wanting to draft your daughters into the military for two years? I was appalled and amazed by the responses I heard. All of the callers except one thought it would be just fine for the government to take their daughters for two years. A few of the common responses given for such thinking were - “We live in different times now” and “The women wanted this equality, so it’s only fair” and “With all the government does for us, we should be willing to let them (our daughters) give two years of their life for them.”

As I listened to caller after caller, Christian man after Christian man, declare how willing they were to give up their daughters to the government for two years, I realized how far gone we are as a nation. When Christian men can speak this way about their daughters they have lost a godly affection for their daughters. When you hear this kind of perverse talk, American men have forgotten their God-given function as fathers.

What has made American men this way? Why do they no longer have a godly affection for their daughters? Why don’t they know how to function as fathers?

There are two main causes.

Number One: American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters and have forgotten their roles as father because the way that Americans raise their children causes an unnatural separation between parent and child.

This is seen from an early age. Many men have their wives return to work after their maternal leave time expires after giving birth to their child. So the child is taken away from the parents and goes to daycare. When the child turns four or five, they are off to the government school. Again, the child is separated from the parents, and this continues to adulthood. Most men send their children away from them at church too. They don’t act as priests in their homes and instruct their children in the faith, rather they dump them off on the church with it’s host of kiddy programs to supposedly do the job.

This bill would allow the government to draft our daughters into the military for two years.

When the child gets older, most men allow their daughters to date. They send them away with a young man alone, rather than establishing some form of godly courtship, hence denying their role as protector. Finally, most men want their daughters out of the house once they turn eighteen. Most do so by sending their daughters away to the university.

This is how most American men raise their children and rule their homes. This is how most Christian men raise their children and rule their homes. My point is that this causes an unnatural separation between parent and child. Because of the separation which has been occurring since a young age and throughout the child’s life, it is easy for a man to say - “With all the government does for us, of course I’m willing to let them have my daughter for two years.” It’s easy because he’s already been separated from her all his life!

Number Two: American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters and have forgotten their roles as father because the State has become father.

Men are to be providers, protectors, and priests to their homes. Most men no longer know or exercise these roles as father because the State has assumed the role of father. Herbert Schlossberg, in his book Idols for Destruction, best defines my assertion here. Schlossberg states:

Rulers have ever been tempted to play the role of father to their people. The father is the symbol not only of authority but also of provision. “Our Father who art in heaven...Give us this day our daily bread” (Mt.6:9,11). Looking to the State for sustenance is a cultic act [an act of worship]; we learn to expect food from parents, and when we regard the State as the source of physical provision we render to it the obeisance of idolatry. The crowds who had fed on the multiplied loaves and fishes were ready to receive Christ as their ruler, not because of who He was but because of the provision. John Howard Yoder has rightly interpreted that scene: “The distribution of the bread moved the crowd to acclaim Jesus as the new Moses, the provider, the Welfare King whom they had been waiting for.”

This statement by Schlossberg encapsulates what I mean when I say the State has become father. Men no longer know what it means to be men or fathers anymore because the State has become father. They’re still dependent little boys who’ve never grown up. All is taken care of for them. They’ve never learned what responsibility means because the State takes care of every desire, whim and need. Men have a duty as fathers to be providers, protectors, and priests to their homes,

The draft is the ultimate expression and evidence that the State has assumed the role of father.

and the State wants to take that out of men’s hands and assume the roles of father.

Schlossberg goes on to state:
The paternal State not only feeds its children, but nurtures, educates, comforts, and disciplines them, providing all they need for their security. Once we sink to that level, as C.S. Lewis says, there is no point in telling state officials to mind their own business. “Our lives are their business.” The paternalism of the State is that of a bad parent who wants his children dependent on him forever. That is an evil impulse. The good parent prepares his children for independence, trains them to make responsible decisions, knows that he harms them by not helping them to break loose. The paternal State thrives on dependency. When the dependents free themselves, it loses power. It is, therefore, parasitic on the very persons whom it turns into parasites. Thus, the State and its dependents march symbiotically to destruction.

The tyrant Diocletian, Emperor of Rome, in 301 A.D., declared the State to be “the watchful parents of the whole human race.” The State wanting to take our daughters away and draft them into the military is the ultimate expression and evidence that the State believes it is father, and has assumed the role of father.

When Christian men allow the State to get away with this, they have abrogated their God-given duty and roles as fathers.





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Interesting thoughts about statist paternalism.

While I believe there is a time of national emergency when a draft is necessary, I find his ideas of fatherly responsibility to their daughters to be thought provoking.

Jessica Lynch went through what I don't want for my daughter. She was a volunteer.

But, do I have a responsibility to oppose the state when it wants to FORCE my daughter into military service in a way that I would not oppose it when it comes for my son?

1 posted on 09/24/2003 8:21:33 AM PDT by xzins
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To: Revelation 911; The Grammarian; SpookBrat; Dust in the Wind; JesseShurun; maestro; patent; ...
Ping.

2 posted on 09/24/2003 8:23:07 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
BTTT

read later...
3 posted on 09/24/2003 8:32:40 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: xzins
Government coercion is nasty, whether applied to male or female.

The author misses the point -- it's the draft that's bad, not that it might be applied to females. Otherwise, I might argue that my little girl (now 16) should be "protected" from paying income tax while my son should feel the full brunt.

High-tech warfare is now to the point where conscripts would mainly serve to get in the way. If we need qualified people, spread the burden around, run a deficit, and offer "huge" recruiting bonuses (e.g., no income tax for the rest of your life).

4 posted on 09/24/2003 8:34:00 AM PDT by AZLiberty
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To: xzins
The "state" accords enormous preferences to women across the board; from huge income transfer programs like Social Security (which lopsidedly goes to elderly white women) to medicaid, food stamps,etc which goes mostly to women to biased , predatory ,unconstitutional divorce law and college quota preferences like Title IX and so on .

So.. now we're suppose to say women should get out of national service conscription so they can get their college degrees or work or whatever, while men go to get killed? F&ck that. In for a dime, in for a dollar. Change the rest of it, and then you can change this.

5 posted on 09/24/2003 8:34:24 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: AZLiberty; Nonstatist
That's the point of the author.

We not only base our positions on some competition between the sexes, but we have no love for our own daughters. To support another man's daughter being eligible for the draft is to throw my beautiful daughters into places that they should not be.

Shouldn't our hearts be turned to a special protectiveness for our daughters, our wives, the mothers and future mothers of our children?

Have our hearts turned to stone?

6 posted on 09/24/2003 8:38:57 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: AZLiberty
. If we need qualified people, spread the burden around, run a deficit, and offer "huge" recruiting bonuses (e.g., no income tax for the rest of your life).

Or quit teaching them to hate their country, civilization, and way of life in school, so they might be more willing to volunteer to defend it all.

7 posted on 09/24/2003 8:40:03 AM PDT by zeromus
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To: Nonstatist
I'm against women in th military altogether. It is not about ability; I am sure that there are women who can fight as well as men (the SF author and ex-Marine Elizabeth Moon comes to mind). There simply are better things for them to be doing.

That said, since the feminists have screwed everything else up, draft 'em. If men have to register for the draft, so should women.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 8:41:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!)
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To: xzins
Are we to love our daughters more than our sons? As the father of 2 sons, no daughters - I have to ask, our my sons less valuable than someone else's daughters? I don't think so.
9 posted on 09/24/2003 8:41:54 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: xzins
What bill is it? Who submitted it? Who are the co-sponsors? What is the status?
10 posted on 09/24/2003 8:43:28 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: xzins
I will go back before my daughter goes forcefully....

I don't think we are ready as a society to face compulsory military service for our daughters... unless there are strict rules about what combat related duties they will be allowed to engage in... also, who here did not want to have a four figure enemy body count during the rescue of Jessica Lynch

11 posted on 09/24/2003 8:43:56 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: familyofman
We are to love our daughters differently than we love our sons.

We should train our sons to be virile, dangerous Godly protecters.

We should train our daughters to be gentle, insightful Godly nurturers.
12 posted on 09/24/2003 8:45:35 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
So what's the deal, we are not suppose to have a God-given love for our sons. What crap! The draft would suck for ALL our children. I have four daughters and would fight against the draft until the bitter end, but would never accept that my family was exempt from the risk that others were asked to bear. The family across the street has four boys. Should they be asked to bear more just because of their father's inability to make female spermatozoa? In a true national emergency like WWII, all must be willing to sacrifice for this great nation.

Agree with the comments about no place for conscripts in todays Army, but in the face of a true fight for survival as a nation; they would not be enough. Even old farts like me would have to take up arms against enemies foreign and domestic.
13 posted on 09/24/2003 8:45:50 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: xzins
is to throw my beautiful daughters into places that they should not be.

Your beautiful daughters (and mine) would be conscripted but not sent to the front line, under current or proposed law.

Should they get out of conscription if men are being drafted? Sorry, but I have eyes and I can see that almost 2/3 of college entrants are women, so its not like "they" need men to protect and feed them. This is the way of the world. Like it or leave it, its never going to be 1940 again.

14 posted on 09/24/2003 8:45:57 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
Sing it brotha!

I agree with you whole-heartedly... As a group, today's Western Women are the most pampered folk ever to walk the planet.

15 posted on 09/24/2003 8:46:26 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: xzins
I hope that most men realize the wonderous gift that is a daughter. Keep the women and children at home in times of war and conflict; in the alternative, lose the nation because its not worth fighting for.
16 posted on 09/24/2003 8:47:04 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: xzins
"Why do American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters?"

Answer: Because American men no longer have a love for God.

17 posted on 09/24/2003 8:47:11 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: xzins
The military draft is nothing more than slavery. It is evil.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 8:47:14 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: Nonstatist
We raise soft males and hard females.

We are truly backwards.

Those who've had both daughters and sons know that the obvious sexual difference goes throughout their beings. Our daughters and our sons are of a different essence.
19 posted on 09/24/2003 8:50:54 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: Protagoras
The military draft is nothing more than slavery. It is evil.


How true. Additionally, the 13th amendment prohibits involuntary servatude; but who reads the constitution anymore?

20 posted on 09/24/2003 8:51:28 AM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: Protagoras
The military draft is nothing more than slavery. It is evil.

If my country ever has need of me I will go. But please don't send me with a bunch of forced conscripts at my back.

I can only look in one direction at a time.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 8:52:20 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Hold the forks / The knives are coming / Spoons are on their way….)
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To: AZLiberty
If we need qualified people, spread the burden around, run a deficit, and offer "huge" recruiting bonuses (e.g., no income tax for the rest of your life).

That reward for exemplary service would provide another public benefit -- it would salt the population with examples of just how much better off an average middle-class person could be if government were rolled back to its proper size.

22 posted on 09/24/2003 8:53:46 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Happy2BMe
I think that is true. The men have rejected godliness.

They do not have a vision of Joseph leading the donkey that carried Mary.

As Joseph was protective, our women are precious gifts from God who require our protection.
23 posted on 09/24/2003 8:54:20 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
2 Timothy 3:1-5.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their
own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful,
unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce,
despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more
than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such
turn away."
24 posted on 09/24/2003 8:54:59 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
What will turn the HEARTS of the fathers to their children?
25 posted on 09/24/2003 8:56:22 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: society-by-contract
but who reads the constitution anymore?

Almost no one. And fewer understand what it says despite it's rather clear language. But that for a different thread.

26 posted on 09/24/2003 8:56:48 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: xzins
I'm opposed to the draft (I was opposed when I was eligible, so it's only fair that I oppose it now), but if it were reinstated, there are some decent reasons for including women.

First of all, if you draft women and have them working in domestic support positions, that frees up more volunteers for the front. Secondly, women have fought long and hard to receive recognition as comparably valuable citizens. Including them in the draft would not be "payback" for the men that opposed that movement, but rather acknowledgement that women are just as crucial to the existence of this country as anyone else. To ask for an exemption would be to admit that equality is a principle enforceable only if it effects a positive result on women.

That said, I am one hundred percent against women in combat roles. Now or in the future.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 8:58:32 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: xzins
"As Joseph was protective, our women are precious gifts from God who require our protection."

Amen to that - and here is someone gonna check us on it (focus on number 9):

WND Exclusive


FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com – a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ''Islam Revealed'' is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ''Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.''

''The True Furqan'' is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh's new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com.

28 posted on 09/24/2003 8:59:34 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: WilliamWallace1999
I will be right there with you...
29 posted on 09/24/2003 8:59:53 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Mr. Bird
Do you see a "purpose" for a woman that keeps you from seeing her as a frontline warrior, or are you just talking about differences in physical strength?
30 posted on 09/24/2003 9:01:17 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
We are pilgrims in an unholy land....
31 posted on 09/24/2003 9:01:29 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: ColdSteelTalon
I'm amazed at the animosity toward women.

You'd think that would be different when referring to their own precious daughters.
32 posted on 09/24/2003 9:03:47 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
Equal rights requires equal responsibilites.
33 posted on 09/24/2003 9:04:34 AM PDT by Steely Glint ("Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable..." - G. Orwell)
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To: Steely Glint
I don't believe you mean that about your own daughter Glint. I think you'd protect her in a way you don't understand because something intuitive says that she is different and in need of you because of your strength.
34 posted on 09/24/2003 9:07:43 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: xzins
"This bill would not only allow the government to draft our sons however This bill would not only allow the government to draft our sons however (as bad as that is itself), but it would also allow the government to draft our daughters into the military for two years."
As a Christian father I think it is an outstanding idea. I am in favor of universal service for all eighteen year olds. Two years serving our nation seems a very small price to pay for a life time of living in America.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 9:08:41 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: xzins
Here's a spinoff thought (not connected with drafting women, but about how screwed up parent+child relationships are now):

I heard on (gack!) NPR (Forgive me , it's the only radio station I can hear out in the woods) that more and more children - as young as 2 years old - are being diagnosed with "mental illness". Everything from the gamut of ADHD and ADD to schizophrenia and depression. And the treatment? Why, drugs, of COURSE! And the genius doctors figure that 10% of kids have serious mental problems. NOT A SINGLE reason was given why. In fact, the news/opinion piece said that the reason they are finding out so many kids "have mental illness" is because so many are being raised in day care, so the "professional care takers" are noticing that the kids are nuts.

One kid was convinced he was Superman and kept trying to jump out of windows, cars, etc. NOT ONE MENTION that maybe the kid was stuck in front of the blue altar too much! Or at day care too much! Or didn't interact with his parents enough (if he was fortunate enough to have a mother and a father!)

So the conclusion was that kids need drugs, being mentally ill at 2 or 8 years old is a normal thing, and that daycare for infants is a good thing.

To me this is crystal clear evidence (as if I needed any more) of the complete breakdown of the natural family, and the civilization which is dependent on stable natural families.
36 posted on 09/24/2003 9:10:14 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: xzins
or are you just talking about differences in physical strength?

Primarily the physical differences. However, I also believe that including women in combat units would have a definite impact on the dynamics of the units themselves. I'm sure we could figure out a way to train our soldiers to ignore gender, but would we want to? What would the long term impact of that philosophy be on our fighting forces?

37 posted on 09/24/2003 9:10:47 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: xzins
If any situation becomes serious enough to institute a draft then our country is in big trouble.

We NEED women to stay here and make babies to replace the thousands who will die in a major conflict. If not from political or religious origin, it is a basic need of human survival. Kill the men and women of a certain age group in war and we are doomed.
38 posted on 09/24/2003 9:11:42 AM PDT by Apa6
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To: xzins
Ref #12-

Thats the way of the world xzins, whether some want to acknowledge it or not.
39 posted on 09/24/2003 9:11:50 AM PDT by judicial meanz ((Still proudly standing after hurricane Isabel stomped a mudhole in our tail))
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To: Thommas
As a father of 3 girls and one son, I am pround of my oldest, a daughter who just enlisted in the Army ROTC. I do know the difference between sons and daughters, but think it interesting that so many on this thread would use some of the same arguments used by the Taliban to keep women in their place. Not all progress is bad.
40 posted on 09/24/2003 9:17:42 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: xzins
You're fighting the wrong battle.

If we repeal the 19th amendment (women's right to vote), everything else will return to 'normal'.


BUMP

41 posted on 09/24/2003 9:19:20 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: xzins
Does the bill address who's to keep the home fires burning if both parents are drafted? Who will raise the children? Who will care for ailing grandparents? Who will maintain the family's business affairs? Who will care for the mundane duties of keeping the house safe and in order, the bills paid, the cars running, the pets fed, etc?
42 posted on 09/24/2003 9:19:37 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: pram; George W. Bush
The love to drug little boys. I'll bet it was a little boy who wanted to play Superman.

No one wanted to play with him and deal with his male energy and inate aggressive tendencies. He had no father doing it. The daycare workers don't want to spend that kind of bonding time with a kid.

The diagnose as crazy a little boy who wants to play Superman?!! The ones who are crazy are those who want to drug that kind of developing virility.

They simply don't know what to do with masculinity in our current culture.
43 posted on 09/24/2003 9:20:17 AM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: Nonstatist; xzins
The "state" accords enormous preferences to women across the board; from huge income transfer programs like Social Security (which lopsidedly goes to elderly white women) to medicaid, food stamps,etc which goes mostly to women to biased , predatory ,unconstitutional divorce law and college quota preferences like Title IX and so on .

>> Shouldn't our hearts be turned to a special protectiveness for our daughters, our wives, the mothers and future mothers of our children?

Have our hearts turned to stone?<<<

Two different viewpoints.

The first viewpoint isn't taking into consideration the fact that men and woman have different physical capabilities and strengths, different psychologies and emotional natures, and different roles according to nature. Women are actually supposed to be protected by men, this is natural law as well as stated in Christian and Judaic scripture as well as the Vedas. When families and society have broken down, then the gov't steps in to take care of the abandoned and other women who aren't making it very well. It is a testimony to the difficulty women face in "making" it in a man's world. Of course, the gov't does a rotten job, makes the situation worse, and "feminism" is doing everything it can to destroy the natural family, and the natural qualities of women, so women from a young age have their minds and hearts twisted and hardened against men. One solution I see is to get kids homeschooled and away from being influenced by mass media, which is own and controlled by homosexuals and feminists.

44 posted on 09/24/2003 9:20:19 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: familyofman
Females are more valuable to the human race for reproduction. But not more valuable as family members.
45 posted on 09/24/2003 9:20:41 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: xzins
The point you miss is women have full citizenship under our form of government, and have rejected paternalism from the male portion of society. Men have no say, neither assent nor dissent, about it. As they are fully functional members of the body politic, and not answerable to anyone but themselves, exempting them from military service is nothing but an establishment of "prefered" citzens. One may not like it, but it is consistent with established principles of equality under our form of governance.

If women are not to be exempted from contributing their voices toward the governance of our society, they must bear responsibility for maintaining that society consistent with other citzens.

Besides, that bill (proposed by Charlie Rangel et al.) is a dead issue...proposed for the sole purpose of fomenting dissent against President Bush's plan to carry out military action against terrorist states. It never stood a chance.

You can rest assured the pampered status of American women is secure for the time being.

46 posted on 09/24/2003 9:20:42 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: em2vn
You are thinking the same thoughts I have. Two years in the military would not be such a bad thing. Take any 18yr old and two years military would shape them into self-sufficent, problem solving, team member participants with respect for their country and government. Duty, Honor, Country. Maybe undo some of the liberal crap they have learned in school at the knee of NEA indoctrination. Yes, we love our sons and daughters, but liberty and freedom comes with a price. Everyone should be willing to pay that price. These are different times than 40yrs ago. Just my thoughts.

Red

47 posted on 09/24/2003 9:22:25 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Wm. Wallace did not cry 'diversity' while being disemboweled.)
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To: Conservative4Ever
These are different times...

is just another way of saying the old standards no longer apply, whether for good or ill. One can lament the fact that transportation is no longer by horse, but it makes no sense to insist people should still keep a bail of hay in the garage.

48 posted on 09/24/2003 9:35:25 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: xzins
My godfather once said that the greatest sin in our country is not abortion, but the way we now treat our women.

Abortion is only a symptom.

I think he's right...

49 posted on 09/24/2003 9:38:45 AM PDT by Possenti
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To: xzins
They simply don't know what to do with masculinity in our current culture.

100% agreement. Or femininity. (That word doesn't look right...) So-called "feminism" is mis-named. Feminists are AGAINST real womanhood and womanly qualities. They hate the natural differences between men and women because of envy of men ("Why should THEY be stronger? Why should THEY have more power?") and also because of envy of God Who created the world the way He did. And, (facts have to be faced!) because a lot of men had abused their natural position of abandoned women, used and abused them. So both sides need to get back to their rightful spheres, and this can only be done by accepting God as the Supreme authority. Otherwise it can't happen. I can see from most of the posts on this thread that even people who call themselves Christian (and I am not questioning anyone's sincerity of belief in general) believe social-Darwinist nonsense about the roles of men and women.

Men and women are very different, and have different strengths and weaknesses that complement each other. To force either to imitate the other is madness, and we see it everywhere.

And I speak not as a sectarian, my main holy scriptures are the Vedas, with the Bible next. The role differences between men and women are innate and cannot be changed. By imposing external change, trying to force men and women to be what they are not, society is breaking apart. What that really means is that many many people's hearts are being broken and families are being broken.

50 posted on 09/24/2003 9:40:40 AM PDT by First Amendment
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