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Interesting thoughts about statist paternalism.

While I believe there is a time of national emergency when a draft is necessary, I find his ideas of fatherly responsibility to their daughters to be thought provoking.

Jessica Lynch went through what I don't want for my daughter. She was a volunteer.

But, do I have a responsibility to oppose the state when it wants to FORCE my daughter into military service in a way that I would not oppose it when it comes for my son?

1 posted on 09/24/2003 8:21:33 AM PDT by xzins
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57 posted on 09/24/2003 9:53:39 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Check out this article:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988513/posts
It has much relevance.
59 posted on 09/24/2003 9:55:29 AM PDT by First Amendment
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You all might want to check this link out and see what it says on this subject: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951286/posts
67 posted on 09/24/2003 10:19:04 AM PDT by SLB
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While I believe that the draft of men and women is a good idea, I whole hearted disagree with allowing women on ships with men, in combat, and in dangerous areas. There are PLENTY of behind the lines jobs to be filled that require little physical strength or personal courage or possibility of bodily harm.
69 posted on 09/24/2003 10:20:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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The Feminist teachers in the "Publik Skool" system have turned them into such little bitches that their fathers probably can't wait to get them out of the house!
76 posted on 09/24/2003 10:35:11 AM PDT by Destructor
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Just one thing bothers me about this article. The man claims that fathers have lost their 'Godly affection' for their daughters because they think it is fine that they be eligible for the draft.

Does that mean it is okay for fathers NOT to have 'Godly affection' for their sons? Or is he saying that fathers shouldn't want their sons drafted either?

86 posted on 09/24/2003 11:11:43 AM PDT by MEGoody
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Drafting Our Daughters: Why do American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters?

The MEN are gone. What we have now are willing "W2" slaves, without personal courage, or resolve.

90 posted on 09/24/2003 11:15:03 AM PDT by RISU
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This guy's going off half-cocked. Instead of jumping up and down over the possibility that the government would reinstate the draft, this time to include women, he ought to have seen why the draft bill was introduced in the first place.

If he's talking about Rangel's draft bill, then the only reason it's been introduced in the first place is to get everybody worked up over the war on terrorism and the Republican administration. Which means that the author of this piece fell right into the trap.
102 posted on 09/24/2003 11:37:18 AM PDT by Herodotus
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They send them away with a young man alone, rather than establishing some form of godly courtship

I would be interested in his Biblical references for what constitutes godly or ungodly courtship.

112 posted on 09/24/2003 12:25:12 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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We have become a truly sick nation.

When men who profess Christ express the ideas in this article, we can fall no farther; we are the mud at the bottom of the cesspool.

115 posted on 09/24/2003 12:38:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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What kind of country sends it mothers and daughters into combat? A morally confused one! Any moron knows that women are not as strong as men on average and can't keep up and that is harms training and readiness, leads to pregnancies and sexual harrassment. Duh, duh, duh. Tell that to the feminists and perfumed princes in the Pentagon and other branches who have forgotten their primary function.
120 posted on 09/24/2003 1:03:13 PM PDT by exmarine
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“We live in different times now” and “The women wanted this equality, so it’s only fair” and “With all the government does for us, we should be willing to let them (our daughters) give two years of their life for them.”


I have a better answer. There are very few American men left. Most males in America have become "woman-hearted", as the old Native Americans would have said.
123 posted on 09/24/2003 1:19:28 PM PDT by ZULU
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This is total horsehockey. Does this guy think I'm supposed to love my daughter more than my son? Either way whether its my daughter or my son, I will worry about them if they are serving, its just a natural parental thing. I try to treat my children with equal love because I love them equally.
134 posted on 09/24/2003 1:40:50 PM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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I would saddly allow my son to be drafted if the nation really needed men, but under no circumstances will not daughters be drafted. My daughters are off limits and if they would have to flee this nation to prevent being drafted, flee with my assistance and encouragement they would.

Double standard? You damn right it is!
139 posted on 09/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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Male protection??

What a laugh.

My paternal grandfather and paternal uncle both molested me, (age 9 & 12) my father was an alcoholic who terrorized me and my 6 siblings and physical abused my mother... my parish priest (who was boffing his housekeeper BTW) humiliated me (at 6 yrs old) in front of a whole church full of people because I took some young friends into the church after school and lit a candle....

I've had 3 serious relationships where the males were totally inept in taking care of me in any way shape or form ... other than looking after their own sexual needs... and the father of my daughter walked out on me when my daughter was 2 and a half.

LOL... And all this from a middle class Catholic upbringing.

Who protects my daughter now?

I do.

What do I tell her about men?

Look to yourself first.

As to going to war... of course I would go and serve in what ever manner I could. And I believe she would as well.

141 posted on 09/24/2003 2:45:48 PM PDT by bikewench
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Interesting. I have six children; 2-sons, 4-daughters - I served this nation for 23+ years as an Infantryman, enlisted and officer...

If the nation needs my sons service; I expect them to step up; but, when the day comes that they begin to draft my daughters - I will question the soil I live on and those who run our government.

Not my or anyone elses daughter...fighting wars has always been and will always be the primary responsibility of men.

www.jenerette.com

142 posted on 09/24/2003 3:00:23 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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Hmm...what's the president going to do about Jenna and Barbara and the rest of the DC'ers daughters? Wouldn't this be interesting.
146 posted on 09/24/2003 5:15:05 PM PDT by Bella
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A military draft is not necessarily a combat draft, or even a draft that would put women in great danger. And as we have seen with this war on terrorism, women are not exempt from danger and death on our own soil.

Even the director of the Selective Service has acknowledged that women will most likely need to be drafted in the medical area, as there simply are not enough male medical workers should a dire situation (like weapons of mass destruction being unleashed) to undertake the challenge.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/12/184604.shtml

"A health-care draft is not a new concept to the U.S. military, said SSS Director of Public and Congressional Affairs Lew Brodsky.

"There used to be a doctors' draft in this country from 1950 to 1973, but it was limited to a handful of doctors only and specific kinds of doctors before you had the kind of specialties that we have today," said Brodsky.

The issue of a health-care draft was also raised and discussed by members of Congress in the late 1980s. Brodsky said the Senate Armed Services Committee was concerned about the possibility of a military conflict that involved weapons of mass destruction and incurred heavy casualties.

Brodsky said Congress argued that in a modern war the "military medical capability might not be sufficient to handle that crisis. It might be understaffed and might need more people quickly.

"Looking at the numbers of medical personnel required, the time frames and the kinds of skills required – it would have to include women," said Brodsky.

Ditto other professions and areas of expertise. No one wants the dire circumstances that would activate a draft to occur, however, if they did, we would be unwise to no use ALL the talent available to both stop our enemies and survive on the homefront. Lots of people would pitch in and help, no doubt, but a draft would organize people much faster to enabling us to deal more effectively with emergencies on a larger scale.

151 posted on 09/24/2003 6:15:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
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#3. A woman is ALWAYS right in divorce court.

No matter what, she gets the house, all property, the children.

And even before the trial she automatically gets a restraining order.

If I was a young man I would only go to prostitutes.

They can only screw you one time.

152 posted on 09/24/2003 6:16:58 PM PDT by LibKill (Father Darwin has a sense of humor but no mercy whatsoever.)
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