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A Deep Voice From Deep Space
Washington Post ^ | September 10, 2003 | Guy Gugliotta

Posted on 09/24/2003 10:39:57 AM PDT by tang-soo

Edited on 09/24/2003 10:42:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Astronomers for the first time have detected sound waves emanating from a supermassive black hole, researchers said yesterday. With a frequency of 10 million years, the wave is the deepest "note" ever found in the universe -- a B-flat that is 57 octaves below a piano's middle C.

Researchers said heat generated by the sound wave may explain why gases moving within clusters of galaxies do not cool down to form more stars -- an anomaly that has puzzled astrophysicists for years.

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4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?

6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-

7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels (the sons of God) shouted for joy?

Job 38:4-7 (The New International Version)



Given time, science eventually catches up with the Bible.

1 posted on 09/24/2003 10:39:57 AM PDT by tang-soo
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To: tang-soo
AMEN
2 posted on 09/24/2003 10:41:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: tang-soo
How can a B flat be 57 octaves below a middle C [on, or off, a piano]?
3 posted on 09/24/2003 10:42:46 AM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: tang-soo
"Space, b flat"

"No, space be curved!"
4 posted on 09/24/2003 10:48:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro (I can't believe jigsaw keeps track of witty taglines)
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To: curmudgeonII
How can a B flat be 57 octaves below a middle C [on, or off, a piano]?

Just because a note is below the range of a piano keyboard or even human hearing doesn't mean it can't exist.

5 posted on 09/24/2003 10:49:06 AM PDT by Bacon Man (Bacon is never wrong but occasionally fried.)
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To: curmudgeonII
How can a B flat be 57 octaves below a middle C [on, or off, a piano]?

I think he means 57 and two twelfths octaves, but he rounded off...

6 posted on 09/24/2003 10:49:48 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: curmudgeonII
By having a wavelength 57 times longer than middle c.
7 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:29 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Izzy Dunne
Gotta have a long left arm to hit that note.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:54 AM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: nuconvert
You need some humor, PING!
9 posted on 09/24/2003 10:53:01 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Bacon Man
Just because a note is below the range of a piano keyboard or even human hearing doesn't mean it can't exist.

True, but one shouldn't call this "sound".

10 posted on 09/24/2003 10:53:02 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Sound wave would probably be more appropriate.
11 posted on 09/24/2003 10:54:49 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
By having a wavelength 57 times longer than middle c.

Not quite.
Go down ONE octave, the wavelength is twice middle C.
Go down TWO octaves, the wavelength is four times middle C.
Go down THREE octaves, the wavelength is eight times middle C.
Go down 57 octaves, and the wavelength is 2^57 times middle C.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 10:57:05 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: tang-soo
I thought sound couldn't travel in a vacuum.
13 posted on 09/24/2003 10:57:57 AM PDT by CO_dreamer
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To: Izzy Dunne
Picky, picky, picky ...

All right, then, by having a wavelength 57 times longer than the B-flat below middle C. Okay? : )

14 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:09 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: CO_dreamer
I thought sound couldn't travel in a vacuum.

I guess we all need to get rid of our XM radios...

15 posted on 09/24/2003 11:00:36 AM PDT by null and void (Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends entirely on what you put into it. - Hen3ry)
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To: tang-soo
A deep voice from deep space: LORD VADER SPEAKS!!!!
16 posted on 09/24/2003 11:01:51 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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...and when they decoded it, they figured out that it was a really deep voice saying, "ZUUUUUULLLL"

Just damn.

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17 posted on 09/24/2003 11:04:00 AM PDT by mhking (Don't mess in the affairs of dragons; For you are crunchy, and taste great with ketchup...)
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To: CO_dreamer; null and void
I thought sound couldn't travel in a vacuum.

Space isn't really a perfect vacuum, see this follow up article.

18 posted on 09/24/2003 11:05:25 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const tag& constTagPassedByReference)
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To: null and void
XM radio doesn't receive sound, it receives radio waves and translates them into sound.
19 posted on 09/24/2003 11:07:54 AM PDT by CO_dreamer
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To: Izzy Dunne
Congratulations, Izzy. You are today's winner of the Pythagorean Award. You're exactly right, thank you. The correct answer is, "By having a wavelength 2 to the 57th power longer than the B-flat below middle C."

Thanks again : )
20 posted on 09/24/2003 11:09:22 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
I knew it wasn't a perfect vacuum, but I guess I didn't realize it was imperfect enough to allow sounds to travel millions of light years. I guess anything is possible with sensitive enough detectors or a loud enough noise.
21 posted on 09/24/2003 11:09:53 AM PDT by CO_dreamer
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To: CO_dreamer
Probably the guy who was with the Oak Ridge Boys.
22 posted on 09/24/2003 11:17:42 AM PDT by JRjr (hMMM?)
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To: Izzy Dunne
This is really for everyone not just Izzy Dunne :-) Science catching up with the Bible? Not bloody likely, ever! :-) The Bible is a very old and unchanging compendium of opinion. It is inflexible and fixed as surely as a photograph from the American Civil War is fixed or an Egyptian hieroglyph is fixed upon the wall of an ancient tomb. The Bible is an archeological work. Those who choose to believe the Bible is more than ancient speculation and wishful thinking, will never change their opinion because for them it is all a matter of faith in that arcane philosophical position.

Science on the other hand is dynamic, flexible, moving, in a neverending process of change as new information is uncovered. I do not say 'discovered', because the information is all out there in the Universe, regardless of whether or not we are aware of it.

Black holes were still only theoretical less then 10 years ago, now they are confirmed as real and are known to be the central feature of most if not all galaxies. They are also found in locations other then galacic centers. A black hole 'singing' a continuous B-flat monotone in any octave is certainly a new wrinkle in the cosmological fabric, to be sure, but how that relates to anything Biblical is a deeper mystery to me than the phenomenon itself :-)
23 posted on 09/24/2003 11:28:40 AM PDT by Mr. William
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To: Izzy Dunne
Go down 57 octaves, and the wavelength is 2^57 times middle C.

The frequency of the Bb below middle C is about 233 Hz. That is about 7.3 x 10 ^9 cycles per year. 2^57 is about 1.44 x 10^17. So each cycle of this "sound" last about 10 million years.

24 posted on 09/24/2003 11:33:20 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: CO_dreamer
"XM radio doesn't receive sound, it receives radio waves and translates them into sound".


I HEARD that!
25 posted on 09/24/2003 11:42:17 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.)
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To: Graybeard58
"Astronomers for the first time have detected sound waves emanating from a supermassive black hole"

When I read that I thought I was about to read another article about Cynthia McKinney.
26 posted on 09/24/2003 11:46:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
So each cycle of this "sound" last about 10 million years.

Oops, 20 million.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 11:46:03 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Izzy Dunne
Just because a note is below the range of a piano keyboard or even human hearing doesn't mean it can't exist.
True, but one shouldn't call this "sound".

Actually I think using a sound scale is the best way to describe how low the frequency is. If you were to describe it in hertz, it would be a very very tiny fraction of 1 hz, which most people including me, would probably just gloss over.

28 posted on 09/24/2003 11:53:04 AM PDT by Bacon Man (Bacon is never wrong but occasionally fried.)
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To: Cronos
LUUUUKE...I AM YOUR FATHER...:-)
29 posted on 09/24/2003 12:00:26 PM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: Izzy Dunne
Did it say, "All your base are belong to us"?
30 posted on 09/24/2003 12:01:40 PM PDT by 4mycountry (You say I'm a brat like it's a bad thing.)
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To: tang-soo
Space burped? Must be the Krystal Chili it had(Southern reference)
31 posted on 09/24/2003 12:04:52 PM PDT by sticker
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To: gitmo
Gotta have a long left arm to hit that note.

LOL

It's the infamous "Brown Note" from South Park!

Evereybody! Have a change of UNDERWEAR ready!!!!

32 posted on 09/24/2003 12:15:26 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: CO_dreamer
Bingo.
33 posted on 09/24/2003 12:17:38 PM PDT by null and void (Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it depends entirely on what you put into it. - Hen3ry)
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To: Mr. William
Black holes were still only theoretical less then 10 years ago, now they are confirmed as real and are known to be the central feature of most if not all galaxies.

Black Holes are the places where G_d was dividing by zero...

34 posted on 09/24/2003 12:18:25 PM PDT by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: tang-soo
One of my favorite all-time scriptures.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 12:19:58 PM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I think he means 57 and two twelfths octaves, but he rounded off...

In which case he ought to have said 57 and some obscure fraction off. But I know where he's coming from. As I've grown older I, also, have tended to round [in this case] up.

36 posted on 09/24/2003 12:25:35 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: tang-soo
I say it's more of an A-sharp than a B-flat.
37 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:58 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: curmudgeonII
As I've grown older I, also, have tended to round.

Ditto. I think it's the lack of excercise.

38 posted on 09/24/2003 12:33:40 PM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: mtbopfuyn
That would be a C#.
39 posted on 09/24/2003 12:34:29 PM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: tang-soo
It was an echo from a Throat Singers of Tuva concert held in Siberia recently.
40 posted on 09/24/2003 12:38:22 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Izzy Dunne
True, but one shouldn't call this "sound".

Infra"C"?

From a radiation survey course I took so long ago, people were concened about the effects of ultrasound on human tissue, milliwatts per square centimeter, iirc.

Not that I'm personally worried, but watt is the quantification of power for this wave and its effects on man-in-the-Moon-marigolds?

Nanowatts per square AU? Square lightyear?

41 posted on 09/24/2003 12:44:19 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: CO_dreamer
I knew it wasn't a perfect vacuum, but I guess I didn't realize it was imperfect enough to allow sounds to travel millions of light years. I guess anything is possible with sensitive enough detectors or a loud enough noise.

Scientists on Earth did not directly detect this sound wave. Using X-ray emmissions, they observed the ripples the sound mad in the gas being squirted out of an area near a black hole.

From the article,

Chandra's photographs show three ripples moving outward from the black hole, after which they appear to dissipate, Fabian said. There could be several reasons for this, he added. The telescope may not be able to embrace a wider piece of the heavens and keep the ripples in focus, or the ripples may simply die out for lack of matter -- sound cannot travel in a vacuum.

42 posted on 09/24/2003 12:53:36 PM PDT by clamboat
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To: martin_fierro
oh, boo! boo, I say!
43 posted on 09/24/2003 2:29:43 PM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Calvin Locke
Oh, yeah? Yeah?
If your'e so smart, how many weeks are there is a light year?

;)
44 posted on 09/24/2003 4:29:31 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (Heisenberg might have slept here)
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To: tang-soo
bump
45 posted on 09/24/2003 9:39:13 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (He is no fool who would give what he cannot keep to gain what he can never lose. - Jim Elliot)
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To: mhking
...and when they decoded it, they figured out that it was a really deep voice saying, "ZUUUUUULLLL"

Oh, Zulie, you nut!

46 posted on 09/24/2003 9:49:07 PM PDT by lorrainer (Oh, was I ranting? Sorry.....)
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To: Skooz; tang-soo
Mine too. Very nicely juxtaposed with the article excerpt.
47 posted on 09/24/2003 9:54:36 PM PDT by lonevoice
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To: lonevoice
Mine too. Very nicely juxtaposed with the article excerpt.

The credit for this comparison must go to my small group leader who read the article and the passage from Job last night during our Bible study. He enjoys discussing the glory of our Lord and he used this as an illustration.
48 posted on 09/24/2003 10:14:45 PM PDT by tang-soo
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To: Andonius_99
The force is strong in this one.....

I find your lack of faith disturbing.....
49 posted on 09/25/2003 12:47:23 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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To: eastsider
I think he means that a note 57 octaves below a c should be a c, not a b flat.
50 posted on 09/25/2003 6:35:50 AM PDT by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/)
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