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Clark Has Lots of Ammo for War With Bush
Capitol Hill Blue ^ | Sep 24, 2003 | CALVIN WOODWARD

Posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:43 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

As a military analyst on television, Wesley Clark argued early that President Bush failed to make the case for the Iraq war. He predicted incisively that America would win quickly but face deadly trouble in the aftermath.

Where some Democratic presidential candidates have criticized Bush's foreign policy and postwar leadership with the benefit of hindsight, Clark can claim to have raised similar questions with foresight. So far, so good, for his new presidential campaign.

Less conveniently for his political aspirations, however, Clark at times heaped praise on Bush and his team for skillfully handling the Iraqi operation - even so far as to say the president should be proud for forging ahead despite the naysaying.

On Bush's broader war on terror, Clark expressed confidence, well into the Afghan conflict, that the United States was moving deliberately to win the global campaign. Now, as a candidate, he characterizes the Bush administration's actions from the start as "obfuscation and slow investigations and memos and shenanigans and creating departments."

It doesn't suit Democratic contenders for the presidency to say anything nice about Bush, and Clark is hardly alone in playing up criticism that would have seemed unpatriotic when America was at war.

But the former NATO supreme commander comes to the campaign with a unique body of work - a huge volume of opinions, insight, guesswork and play-by-play commentary on the chaos of the day, delivered as a military analyst for CNN and frequent contributor to newspapers during the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Some portions of that portfolio are more helpful to his campaign than others.

In this politically charged climate, America's record in Iraq is fair game for Democrats, and Clark is attacking Bush full bore on it. "What is the intent, what is the plan, Mr. President?" Clark demanded in a warm-up to announcing his candidacy last week. "Because the commander in chief better have a plan, and we haven't heard it yet."

Months earlier, Clark was full of admiration for the way the Bush team was conducting the military operation. He spoke of a "very strong leadership team in this government" and marveled at how "everybody there is galvanized by the mission."

That's not to say Clark agreed with the decision to attack.

"The administration has never been able to make the case effectively," he argued in February, shortly before the war began. "The American public doesn't understand the urgency of this, and there's not broad support."

He asked Americans then not to blame the soldiers because they were only following orders into battle. "And my concern is that this is a political issue; the president and his party put this forward," he said bitingly.

Clark also was cautious about plunging into battle after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when many Americans were out for vengeance.

Three days after the attacks, he counseled this response: "It's fundamentally a police effort against individuals. It's not a military effort directed against factories and airfields. You may still need to use military force, but you have to use it in a very precise way."

It became a huge military effort to uproot the government of Afghanistan and the terrorist network it harbored. Clark seemed to swing behind the strategy once it was set, and he voiced confidence in the outcome.

On Iraq, before any shots were fired, Clark sketched out the dangers that would follow the fall of Saddam Hussein.

"I think there will be a lot of tensions inside Iraq, and I think that we will be welcomed very warmly at the outset but afterward, as these tensions begin to assert themselves, it'll be convenient for many different groups to look on us as the source of their problems rather than the solution," he said in February. "And I think our troops will be at some risk there."

Once the war started, Clark praised many aspects of the battle plan and provided a steadying voice when things were not going well.

He was particularly impressed with cooperation among the branches of the armed forces and their coordination with the CIA and credited the Bush administration with that result.

"In the first place, this is a trained and experienced team of top leaders," he said.

Clark occasionally sounded as if he'd supported the war all along.

"President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt," he wrote in The Times of London in the first flush of the takeover of Baghdad.

And in June, he spoke as if his only change of heart had been over whether it was vital to capture Saddam, deposed Iraqi president.

"I was one of those before the war who said, `Don't focus on Saddam Hussein. Go in there, take over the government, and you'll take care of things.'" Afterward, he came to the view that Iraq could not be secure with Saddam still at large.

Clark's stance on the validity of the war is still an open question. Last week, he said he probably would have voted for the Iraq war resolution in Congress but asserted the next day: "I would never have voted for this war. Never."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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After publication of a New York Times story about his remarks on a campaign plane:

"I don't know if I would have or not," the Times quotes. "I've said it both ways, because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it."

As the interview on the plane proceeded, he called on his press secretary, who was in the front of the plane. "Mary, help!"

Mary to the rescue: "You said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution."

Clark:"Right. Exactly."


1 posted on 09/24/2003 10:43:43 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
As a military analyst on television, Wesley Clark argued early that President Bush failed to make the case for the Iraq war.

No, he IGNORED the case for war with Iraq, just as all the Democrats (other than Lieberman), and the mainstream media did.

The great divide in the Presidential race is this: those who GET IT, and those who DON'T, vis-a-vis the War on Terror. Let's forget left vs. right, as if we actually have the luxury of playing an ideological parlor game. The philosophical debates about the nature and limits of government, the nature of man, issues of liberty versus tyranny, are age-old, and important debates. Such debates will always be with us. But, for example, after Pearl Harbor, the principal issue wasn’t the creeping socialism of the New Deal, but whether Western Civilization could defeat German fascism and Japanese militarism. After World War II, the ideological debates were rejoined. We’re in a similar situation today.

It would be nice if George W. Bush were the second coming of Russell Kirk. He clearly isn’t. But this little fact is largely irrelevant. The War on Terror is still the biggest issue, and George W. Bush is really the only candidate in the Presidential race who GETS IT. The UN doesn't get it; the European Union doesn't get it; the media doesn't get it; the Democrats (with perhaps Lieberman as the sole exception) don't get it either, and especially Wesley Clark -- for a military man, to not GET the War on Terror and the importance of dethroning Saddam, is a major blindspot.

That's the great divide in America right now. I have faith that the American people still get it. And what they will “get” is that when it’s time to pull the lever, touch the screen, or punch the chad in November 2004, they will conclude that the world is too dangerous a place to allow the Democrats back in power. This isn’t a “left-vs.-right” consideration. This is a consideration much lower on the Maslow hierarchy of political need. It’s civilization versus the savages. And most people “get it.” Wesley Clark doesn't, and that's why his candidacy is doomed.

2 posted on 09/24/2003 10:51:05 AM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
I found this info on WACO CLARK on a website. Looks like we have some interesting info too on him.

WESLEY CLARK EXCHANGES HATS WITH CONVICTED BOSNIAN WAR CRIMINAL

On August 27, 1994, Clark, then director of strategy, plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, went to Banja Luka - and met with Ratko Mladic, the bloodstained military leader of the Bosnian Serbs. (My note: everybody apparently forgets that before Serbia's the aggression in Bosnia the same Ratko Mladic was military commander of the Serbian army ("Yugoslav Peoples Army") in Croatia and conducted large scale massacres of Croatian civillians there, especially in the ethnically "cleansed of Croatian population "Krajina", another Serb-proclaimed "republic"). The State Departement had advised against the meeting, on account of Mladic's well-documented war crimes in Gorazde, Srebrenica and Sarajevo. Still, Clark and Mladic had a jolly time. Mladic gave Clark some plum brandy and a pistol with a Cyrillic inscription, and the two merrily swapped military hats.


3 posted on 09/24/2003 10:52:42 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Ratko...the Clintons....Wesley Clark seems to prefer criminal buddies.
4 posted on 09/24/2003 10:55:07 AM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: My2Cents

5 posted on 09/24/2003 10:56:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"He predicted incisively that America would win quickly but face deadly trouble in the aftermath."

WOW! It took a Rhodes Scholar to figure that out. I'm impressed! With all the ex-Baathists, criminals turned lose, and all the arab volunteers no one one think that. How did he ever come to that conclusion? I tell ya here is a man with foresight. I can't wait to vote for this brilliant individual, can't you?
6 posted on 09/24/2003 10:58:43 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (So where is Living History now? $1 by December?)
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To: My2Cents
I have heard for months that Clark was wrong about almost EVEYTHING about the war in Iraq....was this not accurate?
7 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:07 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: fight_truth_decay
Notice the complete absence of any mention of Shelton's assertion that Clark was pulled from Europe due to issues of "integrity", and that he would not be voting for him. While I've never been a big fan of Shelton either, it is telling that he would state such a thing publicly.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 10:59:52 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: MineralMan
Regarding my post on a previous thread which has since moved, you said i denigrate veterans by joking how clark "earned" his silver star. allow this response.

I am a veteran, my father, both my uncles and 1 f my aunts are all war vets (viet nam), as are both of my grandfathers (one in WW1, one WW2). I also have approx 6 cousins also vets, 3 in GW1

All thse living vet relatives of mine hate clark and what he represents. He is dangerous and would be a pox on America we could likely never recover from.

To jokingly say he got his silver star from the back of a martial arts magazine is clearly a joke, which, from reading your post over the last year or so, you clearly do not have the cognitive capacity to understand.

I highly doubt you are a veteran given your mangey appearance, but if you are, thank you very much for your service, and lighten th frig up.

9 posted on 09/24/2003 11:00:00 AM PDT by ctlpdad (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
....was this not accurate?

Here's a clue :) Next time you get a chance, try googling the words Wesley Clark, Iraq, quagmire. Last time I checked, I got 3500 hits.

10 posted on 09/24/2003 11:01:47 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: My2Cents
No, he IGNORED the case for war with Iraq

Well to be fair, you have to admit it's a bit hard to know exactly what the case is/was as it has changed several times since May and none of the original arguments have yet to be completely proven (WMDs, ties to 9/11, Al Qaeda). Or have been outright refuted by the same administration that used them to whip up their supporters for war

11 posted on 09/24/2003 11:02:28 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: areafiftyone
Waco Wesley
12 posted on 09/24/2003 11:02:36 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Bringbackthedraft
LOL

What an incisive prediction indeed!
Even a blind pig finds a cob of corn once in a while.
13 posted on 09/24/2003 11:03:56 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: Mr. Bird
Jed Babbin of the American Spectator Online, "Clark and his wife are good friends with the Clintons, but that didn't save him from being fired from the SACEUR -- Supreme Allied Commander, Europe job. Clark was fired not by the Clintons, but by then Defense Secretary Bill Cohen. Clark got cross-wise with Cohen for routinely going to Clinton around both Cohen and then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton". And it also irked Bill Cohen that Clark was a media hound that couldn't stay away from the cameras.

Jack Kelly of the Washington Times: He is opportunistic and lacks integrity"... "After a Serb surrender had been negotiated with the help of the Russians, Gen. Clark ordered British Lt. Gen. Michael Jackson to parachute troops onto the airport at the Kosovar capital of Pristina, so NATO would hold it before Russian peacekeepers arrived. Gen. Jackson refused. 'I'm not going to start the Third World War for you,' he told Gen. Clark, according to accounts in British newspapers". Rumor has it that this incident weighed heavily in Bill Cohen's decision to fire Clark.

14 posted on 09/24/2003 11:08:10 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

A picture of Wes Clark's "ammo". All duds.

"Breaking Right"

15 posted on 09/24/2003 11:10:03 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Clark Liar Alert!!!! Clark and his wife are good buds with the Toons? Well, you sure wouldn't get that impression from Ashley's interview on the tube this a.m. NBC, I think. He was distancing himself from the Toons real fast, and leaving the impresssion that he barely knew them. Anyone see the interview or have a transcript?
16 posted on 09/24/2003 11:10:43 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ctlpdad
The troops called him "The Perfumed Prince".
17 posted on 09/24/2003 11:13:09 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: lodwick
Waco Wesley

Coming to a "gun show" bumper sticker near you...

18 posted on 09/24/2003 11:13:42 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: ctlpdad
"To jokingly say he got his silver star from the back of a martial arts magazine is clearly a joke, which, from reading your post over the last year or so, you clearly do not have the cognitive capacity to understand.

I highly doubt you are a veteran given your mangey appearance, but if you are, thank you very much for your service, and lighten th frig up.
"

You seem to be on the wrong thread, since I have not commented on this thread at all until now. I am, indeed a veteran, and served from 1965-1969 in the USAF.

My father flew B-17's in WWII, and earned the Distinguished Flying Cross, so I take military awards very seriously, and do not consider them a joking matter. There is plenty to discuss about Wesley Clark without making jokes about his military honors.

As for my appearance, you have never seen me, so you cannot really comment competently.

Thanks for your time.
19 posted on 09/24/2003 11:14:13 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: fight_truth_decay
He predicted incisively that America would win quickly but face deadly trouble in the aftermath.

Why doesn't Wesley run for the Baath party, they love him. As an American General, he is pitifully weak in the history department, or his political advisors are. Wars are won and then the REAL work begins; changing a regime doesn't happen over night, it doesn't happen in months. But eventually, the good done will over shadow the murderous past and this is the part that the Iraqi people must adopt and they are, slowly and steadily with the help of the coalition military. Those soldiers are the paste that is holding the wound together until it can heal by itself. The democrats and the French want instant change only because they don't want the Bush administration to have any success. What about the people of Iraq, don't they have a say so? Listening to the Socialist Democrats you would think that we could just walk away from helping further - well they are wrong.

What most of this bad press boils down to is propaganda, spin and political rhetoric. Some reporters are beginning to report the truth - if you can 'hear' it over the Clinton, Clark, and the other 7 dwarfs shouting and wailing; they would have lost Iraq for Iraqis at the get go - they are simply not cut out to go the distance, it takes up too much of their time from other pursuits like raising taxes and very much how they treat the American people - just as soon as they are elected, they leave those who supported them and it's back to business as usual, politics and Washington,D.C.

America, Our Guys got Uday and Qusaylets not forget that monumental success! The left would rather you forget such enormous success the Iraqi people surely have not!

20 posted on 09/24/2003 11:15:41 AM PDT by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all Federal offices!!)
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