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SMU halts race-based bake sale
Dallas Morning News ^ | 24Sep03 | LINDA K. WERTHEIMER

Posted on 09/24/2003 9:45:14 PM PDT by Prof Engineer

SMU halts race-based bake sale

Anti-affirmative action group used ethnicity, gender to set prices

08:51 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 24, 2003

By LINDA K. WERTHEIMER / The Dallas Morning News

The sign said white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. White women: 75 cents. Hispanics: 50 cents. Blacks: a quarter.

The event Tuesday at Southern Methodist University was no PTA bake sale.

It was a conservative student group's attempt at making a political statement, and it caused such a stir that SMU shut it down after 45 minutes.

The Young Conservatives of Texas chapter ran its so-called affirmative action bake sale to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions. Conservative groups have held similar sales at colleges around the country since February.

Group leaders say they were only making a point while exercising their freedom of speech, but a black student who filed a discrimination complaint with SMU said the bake sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event because it created a potentially unsafe situation for students.

"This was not an issue about free speech," said Tim Moore, director of the Hughes-Trigg Student Center. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created that was potentially volatile."

During the bake sale, students were crowding around the table outside the student center, and several began to get into a shouting match, Mr. Moore said.

David C. Rushing, a second-year SMU law student and leader of the conservatives' group, said the event didn't get out of hand and that at the most, a dozen students gathered around the table of sugar and chocolate chip cookies and Rice Krispie treats.

"We copied what's been done at multiple campuses around the country to illustrate our opinion of affirmative action and how we think it's unfair," said Mr. Rushing, chairman of Young Conservatives of Texas at SMU and for the state.

Chapters of the group held similar bake sales at the University of Texas at Austin and Texas A&M University this month. Both schools allowed the events, citing free speech policies.

Mr. Rushing, 23, said the events strive to give students a sense of the inequality he says is created by unequal college admissions policies for whites and minority groups.

Matt Houston, a sophomore, said the group's sign, which listed prices for the treats by the race and sex of buyers, was not a learning tool. It was offensive, he said.

"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Mr. Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

He and Kambira Jones, a 20-year-old junior, both expressed their concerns to SMU officials. "When I saw this, I was like, 'I can't believe they let you guys post this,' " she said. "I felt they were attempting to make Hispanics and blacks feel inferior. We jumped over the same hoops to get there."

SMU's freshman class this year is one of its most diverse ever – 20 percent are minorities. Overall, minority enrollment among the school's 10,000-member student body is 19 percent.

Before the bake sale brouhaha, SMU already was planning a forum so students and others could debate the aftermath of the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling on affirmative action. The court ruled in June that universities could use race as a factor in admissions under limited conditions. The ruling changes the landscape in Texas, where universities have been banned from using race as a factor since 1996.

"We value free speech, and I think our record here shows freedom of expression is important to the academic community and especially this one," said James Caswell, SMU's vice president of student affairs.

The students organizing the SMU event said they meant no offense. To get permission for setting up, students said only that they were holding a bake sale.

For the record, the SMU sale was a flop, at least financially. The group ended up selling just three cookies, raising $1.50.

E-mail lwertheimer@dallasnews.com


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KEYWORDS: academia; admission; bakesale; college; conservatives; cookie; race; smu; texas; young
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My first post. Be gentle.
1 posted on 09/24/2003 9:45:15 PM PDT by Prof Engineer
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To: Prof Engineer
"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Mr. Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

No, it's based on race, you ignorant dolt of a sophomore.

By the way, Prof, welcome to FR!

}:-)4

2 posted on 09/24/2003 9:51:09 PM PDT by Moose4 (I'm Southern. We've been refighting the Civil War for 138 years, you think we'll forget 9/11?)
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To: Prof Engineer
"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

Obvioulsy, this one needs a little help.
3 posted on 09/24/2003 9:53:06 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: Prof Engineer
Wuss-ass administration. It would seem that Mr. Houston has been properly trained. Talking about diversity and such but having no tolerance for a position contrary to his own.
4 posted on 09/24/2003 9:55:25 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Prof Engineer
At one time, universities were the champions of free speech and protest.
5 posted on 09/24/2003 9:55:31 PM PDT by magellan
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To: Prof Engineer
"I felt they were attempting to make Hispanics and blacks feel inferior. We jumped over the same hoops to get there."

Not exactly, dear.
6 posted on 09/24/2003 9:56:05 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: Prof Engineer
"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Mr. Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

Affirmative Action is not based on race?!

He and Kambira Jones, a 20-year-old junior, both expressed their concerns to SMU officials. "When I saw this, I was like, 'I can't believe they let you guys post this,' " she said. "I felt they were attempting to make Hispanics and blacks feel inferior. We jumped over the same hoops to get there."

And Affirmative Action makes Hispanics and blacks feel, what...? Superior?

7 posted on 09/24/2003 9:57:00 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Prof Engineer
Interesting. In order to shut down the bake sale, all the affirmative-action thugs had to do was create a hostile and volatile situation.

I smell a 1st Amendment lawsuit here.
8 posted on 09/24/2003 9:57:46 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Right Wing Crazy #5338526)
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But wasn't the prices intended to bring a diverse community of buyers to their sale?
9 posted on 09/24/2003 9:58:25 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Prof Engineer
"We value free speech, and I think our record here shows freedom of expression is important to the academic community and especially this one," said James Caswell, SMU's vice president of student affairs
So we shut down this bake sale !!!!!!!
10 posted on 09/24/2003 9:58:36 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: Prof Engineer
"The Young Conservatives of Texas chapter ran its so-called affirmative action bake sale to protest the use of race or gender as a factor in college admissions. Conservative groups have held similar sales at colleges around the country since February.

Group leaders say they were only making a point while exercising their freedom of speech"

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I agree. Why is it OK to do this on a large scale, but people get outraged,when it's being pointed out in a simple straighforward way.

(P.S. -- Congratulations on your first post. Good job! )
11 posted on 09/24/2003 9:59:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Prof Engineer
You done good, son. ;~)
12 posted on 09/24/2003 10:00:45 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Prof Engineer
For the record, the SMU sale was a flop, at least financially. The group ended up selling just three cookies, raising $1.50
Well, they shut them down. ??? You can`t sell anything if the store is not open. Sheesh....
13 posted on 09/24/2003 10:01:40 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: Prof Engineer
Nothing to ''be gentle'' about. Dandy post!

Too bad the bake sale managers didn't have enough wit to ask the complaining whiner, ''Well, if a quarter ISN'T a fair price, what would you consider to BE a fair price? Same price as everyone else (we daren't say 'normal' people, do we?)? Or, should we subsidise your purchase of these very good cookies even further...say, by GIVING you a cookie and also a quarter? Unfair? Racist? No, you stupid sophomore (etymology: from classical Greek, sophos moros, wise fool), we're merely ridiculing your atrocious handout/victimology mindset. Don't like it? Tough, er, mammary!''

Have a cookie, chump.

14 posted on 09/24/2003 10:03:40 PM PDT by SAJ
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He got a cookie for 1/4 the price of a white man, but he files a discrimination complaint!

LOL! Classic.
15 posted on 09/24/2003 10:05:14 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Prof Engineer
The bake sale was a brilliant idea but of course it was doomed to be shut down by the admin. Anyone know how the sale went at other universities? How many cookies did the newly hired/high salaried diversity officer at A&M buy?
16 posted on 09/24/2003 10:06:22 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Moose4
By the way, Prof, welcome to FR!

Thanks. I've actually been here quite awhile. Lurked even longer. This is the first article I've ever posted.

17 posted on 09/24/2003 10:07:29 PM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - I married Msdrby on 9/11/03. --- My Tagline is an Honor Student at Taglinus FReerepublicus!)
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To: Prof Engineer
"They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

Would somebody explain to Mr. Houston that this is about "diversity". The most important "diversity", in fact. Diversity...of thought.

18 posted on 09/24/2003 10:07:33 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Prof Engineer
The Chinese! They aren't listed!

We're they not allowed to purchase cookies at all (or were they charged a 'fortune' for theirs?)

19 posted on 09/24/2003 10:08:58 PM PDT by jigsaw (Liberals: nature’s proof that maturity is not guaranteed.)
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To: Prof Engineer
They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race.

Mr. Houston, check the sign again:

white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. White women: 75 cents.

They're saying that it is based on both sex and race, not soley on race.

And, you are right. It is offensive for there to be different rules for different races and sexes. That was the *$&#$*! point.

20 posted on 09/24/2003 10:10:20 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fight Czarism in America!)
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To: jigsaw
We're they not allowed to purchase cookies at all (or were they charged a 'fortune' for theirs?)

ROFLOQ.

I'm rolling on the floor tyring to laugh quietly. ;-)

21 posted on 09/24/2003 10:10:58 PM PDT by Prof Engineer (HHD - I married Msdrby on 9/11/03. --- My Tagline is an Honor Student at Taglinus FReerepublicus!)
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To: jigsaw
The Chinese were in back, washing the baking sheets.
22 posted on 09/24/2003 10:14:00 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman.)
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To: Prof Engineer
white males had to pay $1 for a cookie. White women: 75 cents. Hispanics: 50 cents. Blacks: a quarter.

The group ended up selling just three cookies, raising $1.50.

3 cookies = $1.50.

That means you have a white woman, a hispanic, and a black.
Or a white man and two blacks
Or three hispanics.

The women, blacks and hispanics may have been offended, but at least some of them bought at bargain prices.

Also, were Asians not allowed to buy cookies at all? Maybe there was a separate but equal cookie table for them.

23 posted on 09/24/2003 10:15:03 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fight Czarism in America!)
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To: Prof Engineer
Great post!

The Orwellian nature of SMU admin is shocking ... "This was not an issue about free speech," said Tim Moore, director of the Hughes-Trigg Student Center. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created that was potentially volatile."

Ahem, it is about free speech!

The 'hostile environment' was created by creeps who were 'offended' by the non-PC political statements they disagreed with, and so created a commotion over it.
25 posted on 09/24/2003 10:18:28 PM PDT by WOSG (DONT PUT CALI ON CRUZ CONTROL)
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To: Prof Engineer
SMU officials said they halted the event because it created a potentially unsafe situation for students.

A classic Heckler's Veto. This sort of garbage is why I gave money to FIRE.

26 posted on 09/24/2003 10:19:27 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Prof Engineer
Good post!
All I can say to it is WOW!
This was doomed to fail from the conception!
27 posted on 09/24/2003 10:20:19 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: jigsaw
The Chinese! They aren't listed! We're they not allowed to purchase cookies at all (or were they charged a 'fortune' for theirs?)

What... Don't the Chinese already have Fortune Cookies? ... *<]:|

28 posted on 09/24/2003 10:21:27 PM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: Dr Zilman
"I felt they were attempting to make Hispanics and blacks feel inferior."

Evidently he doesn't feel inferior if the ACLU says he's too stupid to vote with a punch card.

Zing! Just what the doctor ordered!

29 posted on 09/24/2003 10:22:56 PM PDT by jigsaw (Liberals: nature’s proof that maturity is not guaranteed.)
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To: Prof Engineer
SMU officials said they halted the event because it created a potentially unsafe situation for students.

Hey...I have a great idea for Conservative students...Attend a "diversity" event...and shout down the people putting it on. The administration will shut down the event...(on second thought...that might not work)

30 posted on 09/24/2003 10:25:22 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: FairOpinion
Why is it OK to do this on a large scale, but people get outraged,when it's being pointed out in a simple straighforward way.

Because liberal ideas can never withstand an honest discussion. As incredible as it might seem, considering how widespread this idiocy and countless more examples like it are, there is virtually NO real debate on it. NONE. First, the media will rarely allow the core points to be widely disseminated. Next, anytime a white male opens his mouth and starts trying to make a point like this, the immediate cry is "RACIST! BIGOT! HOMOPHOBE!" Pick the issue, insert the derogatory label of choice. For more than thirty years, this combination of keeping the core issue from the minds of the masses, combined with silence-the-enemy-by-attack methodology, has worked perfectly for them, has enabled liberals to take over this country.

Make no mistake: They HAVE taken it over for all practical purposes. They control the media. They control the education system. Liberalism grows by the day and SCOTUS swings more to their side a little all the time. Really brings home the old axiom that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. That's what we did for too long: nothing.

It'll be interesting to see if these little grass-roots efforts by kids and young adults continue.

MM

31 posted on 09/24/2003 10:31:31 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Joe Brower; harpseal
Well now............rock chuckers seem to have moved into a glass house.

Stay Safe !

32 posted on 09/24/2003 10:32:48 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Prof Engineer
"Group leaders say they were only making a point while exercising their freedom of speech, but a black student who filed a discrimination complaint with SMU said the bake sale was offensive. SMU officials said they halted the event because it created a potentially unsafe situation for students.

"This was not an issue about free speech," said Tim Moore, director of the Hughes-Trigg Student Center. "It was really an issue where we had a hostile environment being created that was potentially volatile."

What is offensive is affirmative action at the expense of white and asian students. It is an issue of free speech when students are refused the right to voice any opposition to a situation not created by them that they and any other constitutionalist finds extremely offensive and unlawful.

The hostile environment was created by the passage of such a law and the Universities decision to uphold an unconstiutional law. So basically what we have here is the denial of freedom of expression by totalitarians who do not value the civil, human rights of the individual who dares to object to unlawful and unjust laws passed by the social engineers sitting on the bench of the SCOUS, because their plight is considered unimportant as they are not of the favored color, all of whom deserve to be benched in another manner.

The more discrimination against the caucasion and asian race is ignored the more the kettle boils. There may come a day when these totalitarian currs wish for the good old days when their only worry was shutting down a peaceful protest bake sale.

33 posted on 09/24/2003 10:55:06 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: jigsaw
Asians and Jews aren't proper minorities - they succeeded without goverment handouts. They pay the same as the honkies. :^)
34 posted on 09/24/2003 11:17:05 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Palestinia delenda est!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Goverment = Government. I can spell. I just can't type.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 11:17:56 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Palestinia delenda est!)
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To: Prof Engineer
Liberals don't find anything funny.
36 posted on 09/24/2003 11:18:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Prof Engineer
From one Engineer to another I appreciate and applaud your post on this matter! Heck I was here to post the same thing but did a search to be sure I was not duplicating anyones works and there your post was. Bravo!

My opinion? It is GOOD the handwringers at that school shut the bake sale down. Why? The more the left exposes its raw hipocracy and dualist standards the better. Serves to show more and more people every day what LIARS 100% of the left are and just what the left is pushing for.

The left has convinced most "people of color" that they are their saviours when in fact they are just surfing the "skin color thing" like a good wave on the beach. Just to attain power. Look at their tactics worldwide and it is clear to see what they are doing for anyone with a working brain.

Problem is the elitist left is so arrogant that all by itself if denigrates and "disenfranchises" people of color by acting as the sword wielding protectors of that class when in fact the left IS the force holding the "disenfranchised" down for its own benefit.... Kinda nice to see the enemy exposing itself for everyone to see. Not often that an enemy as pernicious as the left puts out markers where anyone can identify it as the enemy.

Typical Marxist logic. "Anything for the people even if it hurts them so we can gain power and show them the way". Fortunately in this case the people that is rising against the left is that sleeping giant that has put down every other tin plate fool that tried to trash the world for their weird ideology.

Bleh. We know what that logic leeds to. Just more oppression for one class to benefit another.

I prefer the American style of Democracy rather then Karl Marx's hallucinations and class based racism.

Stop racism by stopping the left.

37 posted on 09/24/2003 11:34:50 PM PDT by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: KarlInOhio
They should of had one table to pay , but have to pick up cookies at seperate tables labeled black dorm, hispanic dorm (or graduation), etc. That would have really made them go ballistic.
38 posted on 09/24/2003 11:37:49 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: Prof Engineer
bttt
39 posted on 09/25/2003 2:45:52 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Prof Engineer
"This was not an issue about free speech," said Tim Moore, director of the Hughes-Trigg Student Center.

That's what the Lefties always say when they shut down free speech.

40 posted on 09/25/2003 2:49:09 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Prof Engineer
WE need more such bake sales. A lot more. So interesting how the university caves for minority thugs.
41 posted on 09/25/2003 2:49:21 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Prof Engineer
"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Mr. Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization." He and Kambira Jones, a 20-year-old junior, both expressed their concerns to SMU officials. "When I saw this, I was like, 'I can't believe they let you guys post this,' " she said. "I felt they were attempting to make Hispanics and blacks feel inferior. We jumped over the same hoops to get there."

I wonder if these students had applied for grants from (or conversely, ever complained about) the United Negro College Fund.

42 posted on 09/25/2003 3:03:07 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: magellan
At one time, universities were the champions of free speech and protest.

They still are...as long as you protest the "right" things.

43 posted on 09/25/2003 3:14:30 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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To: WOSG
Exactly.

Funny how when a lefty spouts anything, it's protected free speech. But when a conservative voices his views, it creates a "hostile environment" and must be shut down.

44 posted on 09/25/2003 4:17:59 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Prof Engineer
I think affirmative action should be color blind to prove it's not about race. Wait a minute...
45 posted on 09/25/2003 4:24:42 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Moose4
"My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students," said Mr. Houston, who is black. "They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It's not based on race. It's based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization."

That statment jumped out at me too. I hope that kid's major isn't heavily dependent upon logic.

46 posted on 09/25/2003 5:44:11 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
I hope that kid's major isn't heavily dependent upon logic.

BUMP!

47 posted on 09/25/2003 8:19:15 AM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
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To: Prof Engineer
Good job on the first post:

a little investigation also shows young Matt Houston's e-mail address to be:
mlhousto@mail.smu.edu
48 posted on 09/25/2003 11:00:32 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: KarlInOhio
Maybe one hungry Hispanic bought three?
49 posted on 09/25/2003 11:02:02 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: jigsaw
Dang! I hate threads where the initial post must be read to make any sense of the replies.
50 posted on 09/25/2003 12:37:09 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (The big picture is missed by those who focus on pixels.)
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