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Peterson, Frey had frequent contact
The Modesto Bee ^ | Sept 25, 2003 | John Cote' and Garth Stapely

Posted on 09/25/2003 9:11:02 AM PDT by runningbear

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To: MaggieMay; All
WHY was Amber calling Melvin King?

Was he her PI friend? What kind of coincidence is that????

Also in the news, proof of the $250,000 life insurance policy on Laci:

Freeze on Peterson Insurance Sought

October 4, 2003
Laci Peterson's life insurance company has asked a judge to order more than $250,000 in benefits held in an account until the outcome of her husband's double-murder trial.

Under California law, Scott Peterson is ineligible to collect on the policy if he is found guilty of murdering his wife.

He is the only listed beneficiary on the policy, according to documents that Principal Life Insurance Co. filed Friday in Stanislaus County Superior Court.

If he is ineligible, the $256,000 in proceeds and interest goes to Laci Peterson's estate, according to the documents.

Laci Peterson's estate technically hasn't been established yet, said attorney Adam Stewart, who is representing Laci's mother, Sharon Rocha.

Because Laci Peterson died without a will, her estate would go to her natural mother and father, Stewart said.

"We're obviously going to make a claim to funds on behalf of her family and her estate," he said. "We obviously have a dispute as to who's entitled to them."

Stewart said his client has no discussion with Scott Peterson or his attorneys on reaching a settlement in the issue.

Article

Laci Peterson Disappearance

451 posted on 10/04/2003 10:19:50 AM PDT by hergus
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To: hergus
Hi Hergus,thanks for your post.No way,should Scott or the Peterson's see any of that life insurance policy.

Wouldn't that be something,if King,was the PI friend,who investigated Scott originally for her. We need a scorecard,this case has more twists and turns, than I can keep track of. :)
452 posted on 10/04/2003 10:36:42 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: MaggieMay
Amber called Melvin King twice on Feb. 1. Why??
453 posted on 10/04/2003 10:50:06 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: hergus
"Was [King] her PI friend?"

HEYYYYYY......! I hadn't thought of that! VERY interesting!
454 posted on 10/04/2003 10:51:53 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: hergus
Okay. For me, that ends any doubt as to whether there really was a life insurance policy. And it ends any doubt as to whether money may have been a partial motive for Scott to kill Laci.

Principal Life Insurance Co. Hmmm. Wonder when the policy was really taken out. (I know what Scott said, but he's been known to lie...)
455 posted on 10/04/2003 10:55:06 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse; hergus; All
This quote is from post #125, on this thread. It is Amber's father, talking to Ted Rowlands:
Ron Frey:"Amber figured it out herself, Scott didn't tell her," Ron Frey said. "She had a client (Amber works as a massage therapist) who was a detective. They compared notes and figured out who is was - is - and she came forward." "

In this quote Ron Frey refers to Amber's PI friend, as a dectective. Isn't Melvin King a retired police detective?
456 posted on 10/04/2003 11:02:03 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: MaggieMay
YES, he IS!!!
457 posted on 10/04/2003 11:15:44 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Yes, it is VERY interesting! Remember, we discussed at length exactly when Amber employed the detective, and exactly when he/she got back to her with the news that Scott was married. Some of us speculated that Amber probably knew well before Christmas that Scott was married.
458 posted on 10/04/2003 12:05:45 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse
Holy Moly - I missed the point about McKenzie being found an hour before one of the "eyewitnesses" saw Laci walking him. Thanks Dev. I must have been skimming over that because I completely missed it.!! Hmmmm Now how does someone splain that?
459 posted on 10/04/2003 1:36:06 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Devil_Anse; MaggieMay
This is getting really interesting huh? I do recall that Amber's client and friend was a retired Detective and that he was currently working as a PI. Pretty incredible set of circumstances. Sometimes however, it can be a small world. This is just my feeling, but I have the feeling that when WE all get to see what they have on Peterson, even we are going to be shocked. It's like a puzzle and pieces just keep dropping into place and it's beginning to make an ugly ugly picture.
460 posted on 10/04/2003 1:44:39 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: hergus
You've done a great job on that site hergus. That FIRST picture of Snott on phone, OMG for the chance to smack that arrogant jerk upside the head!! I hope he presents that "look" to the Jury too.
461 posted on 10/04/2003 1:48:16 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Devil_Anse; All
"Okay. For me, that ends any doubt as to whether there really was a life insurance policy. And it ends any doubt as to whether money may have been a partial motive for Scott to kill Laci.

Principal Life Insurance Co. Hmmm. Wonder when the policy was really taken out. (I know what Scott said, but he's been known to lie...)"

I think I read on another web site that it was taken out in the summer of 2001. The insurance info is in recently filed court documents. It could have been a partial motive, but I don't think it was the primary motive. I think we often error in assuming that behavior is motivated by one factor when in fact there is almost always several motivations....Scott's motivations: freedom, independence, maintenance of image, access to Amber, and $250,000 is a nice side benefit.


462 posted on 10/04/2003 2:55:25 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Canadian Outrage; All
Just heard Rita Cosby say on Fox that she contacted King because Scott offered to do a private polygraph for her after she had the press conference. Law enforcement was going to set up a sting but the polygraph never happened. Gets stranger and stranger, doesn't it?
463 posted on 10/04/2003 2:57:58 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Sandylapper
Try this on for size: suppose King WAS the one who was "Amber's private investigator client/friend." When did she hire this friend? Theoretically, King (or his staff), in perhaps following Scott around, could have actually SEEN him going into City Lights! (If, that is, Scott continued to go there during December.) Or could have seen for himself whom Scott talked to.
464 posted on 10/04/2003 5:50:17 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
It's starting to look like the "eyewitnesses" are going to cancel each other out.
465 posted on 10/04/2003 5:51:49 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Rita Cosby is reporting that Amber contacted King after her press conference because Scott agree to a private polygraph. She may have more on her show...starts in a minute or two.
466 posted on 10/04/2003 5:55:38 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: drjulie
"maintenance of image"

Yes! I think you should put that particular motive at the top of the list!

And wouldn't you agree that there are some people who think becoming a parent makes them change fundamentally into an old, staid, boring grown-up--when they want to stay a youngster forever?
467 posted on 10/04/2003 5:55:38 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
"And wouldn't you agree that there are some people who think becoming a parent makes them change fundamentally into an old, staid, boring grown-up--when they want to stay a youngster forever?"

Absolutely...having a child is a significant life event and some people have a difficult time adjusting. In this case, I wonder how Scott felt about "sharing" Laci with a child. His reasons for not wanting a child may have been psychological as well as financial. If this guy is what he appears to be I would have feared for Amber's child.

468 posted on 10/04/2003 6:29:30 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: drjulie
Thanks. I'm listening to Rita's show now.

I can't believe the police even considered sneaking one of their guys in there and pretending that he was Amber's privately-hired lie detector guy. I think any evidence they might have gathered that way would have been suppressed, which of course means it would have been of absolutely no use to them, and it might have endangered other, legitimate stuff they had gathered.

I also can't believe that these people are sitting there talking as though in testimony all this stuff, about Amber setting up a lie detector, would be allowed in. I believe that any judge they have at trial will forbid any mention of any lie detector--no matter who was going to set it up.

470 posted on 10/04/2003 6:51:37 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Aussie Cattledog
I think I just heard it said on Rita Cosby that Melvin King is a polygrapher.

You need to get caught up. For the last 100 posts or so, people here have been talking about how King is the one who gave a polygraph to Cory Carroll.

472 posted on 10/04/2003 7:05:37 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
I agree with you on the lie detector - I can't imagine how it would have benefited the investigation. The bottom line is, though, I don't think Scott would have ever followed through. It does support my hypothesis that he was obsessed with Amber. His pregnant wife is missing and feared dead and he is calling his mistress 20 times a day and offering to take lie detector tests. Even though the lie detector discussion may not come in, I bet there's plenty of other "schoomzing" the jury is going hear.
473 posted on 10/04/2003 7:13:55 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Aussie Cattledog
Echo?
474 posted on 10/04/2003 7:15:13 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: drjulie
I mean, they won't even allow a MENTION of a lie detector, as a rule! Which is a shame--since there WAS no lie detector, and Scott's behavior and words, surrounding this discussion he had with Amber ABOUT the lie detector, says so much about his state of mind!

Oh, but you are so right--there is so much more that was probably said btw Scott and Amber!
476 posted on 10/04/2003 7:18:13 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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The lie detector test did not take place because,police did not think they could get their people in place in time and didn't think they could pull it off. Sounds to me like you have read it right,LE figured it was absolutly no use to them in the court and as Judge Hatchett, of the panel said, it could even have backfired on them.
477 posted on 10/04/2003 7:53:26 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: MaggieMay
Geraldo just said this means Amber Frey's role in the case is more complicated than people thought. I don't know about that. I am thinking that her asking Scott to take a lie detector test might just have been Amber asking him exactly what the cops told her to ask him.

Much as I hope the prosecution successfully nails the murderer of Laci and her baby, I just gotta say that that scheme of their placing a "sting" in there for the lie detector strikes me as pretty sleazy tactics.

We're still left wondering if King and "Amber's PI client/friend" are one and the same.
478 posted on 10/04/2003 7:57:47 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
When did she hire this friend?

FWIW, I seem to recall conversations that the PI was hired 11 days after the beginning of the relationship, and we calculated that it would have been December 1. Or maybe it was December 11? Don't have time to research that tidbit right now, but will try to later.

479 posted on 10/04/2003 8:30:35 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse
For once, just this once, I'm inclined to agree with Geraldo. I keep thinking about the book she reportedly sent him with the note he missed, among other things. You know, the note that said, "my phones are tapped" are something like that.
480 posted on 10/04/2003 8:34:55 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse
Great point Devil!!
481 posted on 10/04/2003 9:02:14 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Devil_Anse
That is sorta what I have been getting at with "these" eyewitnesses. I remember when it was first explained that the story told by each of these eyewitnesses had Laci doing an "impossible" walk. This thing with McKenzie is a WOW-er!!
482 posted on 10/04/2003 9:04:44 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Aussie Cattledog
Snott also flatly "refused" to take a LD administered by Law Enforcement. That was a point that really stuck with me because that was at the very beginning and Marc Klass and John Walsh were both talking about how they "asked to take the polygraph test" even BEFORE it was requested of them. They understood that the Police needed to eliminate them and then they could get on with other suspects. Do any of you remember Marc Klass saying on LKL that Peterson was a low down scumbag!! LOL Larry King looked shell shocked and kinda brushed over that. Then on a future program, John Walsh said to Larry King, quote: "He's Dirty". He explained the rigamarole that Scott put Walsh through when he was doing a program on Laci's disappearance. He said when it came right down to it, Scott didn't even have the guts to meet him face to face.
483 posted on 10/04/2003 9:12:05 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Devil_Anse
Dev, Courts will allow Polygraph test results into evidence IF BOTH sides stipulate to it. But since McAllister advised Scott not to take one, that settles that. Geragos would have most definitely advised him against it too. Somehow, the results always leak out. Like with Simpson, he took one and it wasn't long until we heard that he scored off the charts Deceptive!!
484 posted on 10/04/2003 9:17:03 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Devil_Anse
Anse, it was the 11th of Dec., or 3 weeks after Amber started dating SP, according to LKL. I sent you a freepmail with references to the thread, etc.
485 posted on 10/04/2003 11:30:14 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Canadian Outrage
That's correct, CO, but it's just not gonna happen! No counsel in his right mind would stipulate to such a thing, unless they made their agreement BEFORE the polygraph was taken, and in that case they'd have to agree on the examiner, his credentials, the other conditions of testing, yada yada yada.

And obviously that would be a dumb move, since one side is gonna be left crying when the test is over! If Geragos did something like that, then that would give Scott a good issue to later claim ineffective assistance of counsel, if Scott were convicted.

Here, of course, we're talking about a hypothetical polygraph which never took place. Even in the OJ case, Ito, while he did let a witness testify to DISCUSSIONS he had with OJ about taking a polygraph, later decided to exclude that evidence, and instructed the jury to disregard it.

I don't see the judge allowing any mention of a polygraph--hypothetical or not--in front of Scott's jury!

486 posted on 10/05/2003 6:02:53 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage; Sandylapper
Yes, and Sandylapper has provided a refresher as to when we think Amber hired or begged the favor from this mystery P.I. whom she knew. WHO is he? Even if it's not King, WHAT can he tell us about Scott's habits during December?? I'm sure it would be very interesting!!

If only Laci had hired a private investigator... perhaps suspecting infidelity, and deciding to get a divorce, and wanting some evidence.... boy oh boy, that would give us a P.I. who had started finding stuff out even earlier!! What a bombshell witness that person would be!
487 posted on 10/05/2003 6:07:00 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Canadian Outrage
LOL, another defense witness with the times wrong. But we have to be careful reading that article! I just re-read it. What it says is, McKenzie was found running loose about an hour (actually closer to an hour and a half, if I am calculating correctly) before Diane Jackson supposedly saw these eeevil men standing around the "tan van".

Here's the article posted by Maggie May, again:

http://www.modbee.com/reports/laci/story/7433534p-8351578c.html

488 posted on 10/05/2003 6:13:47 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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From post #450, by Maggie May.

But information from the wiretaps appears to have been of limited value to prosecutors. According to court documents, the district attorney's office had asked a judge to cut off the first wiretap early, saying "further progress in the investigation would not be gained through additional interception." State law allows a wiretap to run for up to 30 days, but a judge can grant an extension. Court documents show the first wiretap was approved on Jan. 10 and ran to Feb. 4, the day a car dealer gave Laci Peterson's Land Rover to her family. Scott Peterson had traded the vehicle in toward the purchase of the Dodge truck.

I don't get it. On Feb. 1, Amber talked to King under wiretap. That had to be BIG, especially if LE didn't know she was going to do it. Yet, they were ready to pull the plug because the intercepts were of such limited value to prosecutors.

490 posted on 10/05/2003 10:27:25 AM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Aussie Cattledog
I know what your getting at with Marc Klass. I have heard that he left his wife etc. but in the case of his daughter, he was certainly willing to have himself eliminated as a suspect so that LE could get on with the investigation. Another thing with Klass is he left his wife but he didn't murder her.
491 posted on 10/05/2003 3:34:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Aussie Cattledog
Exactly. That's how John Walsh was too. He said he and his wife were so frantic. He said he was on the Police Departments doorstep all the time and kept phoning THEM to see if they found anything. Very different indeed.
493 posted on 10/05/2003 3:41:50 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Aussie Cattledog
Where the heck are all the SCOW's today?
494 posted on 10/05/2003 3:43:07 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Where the heck are all the SCOW's today?


Lurking CO
495 posted on 10/05/2003 7:26:33 PM PDT by fiesti
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To: Canadian Outrage
Lurking.
496 posted on 10/05/2003 7:33:41 PM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: fiesti
I had to watch the Red Sox win, the Pats win, and of course the Cubbies clinch!! It was a Great day!!!
497 posted on 10/06/2003 7:41:39 AM PDT by melodie (Praying hard for a Red Sox/Cubbies World Series!!)
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