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Peterson, Frey had frequent contact
The Modesto Bee ^ | Sept 25, 2003 | John Cote' and Garth Stapely

Posted on 09/25/2003 9:11:02 AM PDT by runningbear

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To: All; Sacajaweau; runningbear; Devil_Anse; MaggieMay; Canadian Outrage; RGSpincich; STOCKHRSE; ...
GLOBE Oct. 7th (Courtesy Rickamorti at Purgatory)

THE LACI AUTOPSY FILES

by Dawna Kaufmann and David Thompson

New Details on Modesto mom's grisly murder reveal how her unborn baby REALLY Died

synopsis

New explosive revelations from the autopsy files of Laci Peterson shatter the claims of her accused husband Scott that the pregnant beauty was killed by a satanic cult and that the savage murder triggered the birth of their son Conner.


A special GLOBE investigation into the autopsy included an intensive detailed study of the grisly report by world renowned forensic pathologist and lawyer Dr. Robert H. Goldberg of Marietta, Ga. A much sought after TV commentator, he is a member of the American Academy of Forensic Scientists, a fellow of Britain's Royal Society of Medicine and on the advisory board of the American College of Forensic Examiners.

His expert review of the autopsy file lead to the following conclusions:


1. Baby Conner was NOT born alive before Laci was killed or right afterward.


2. The infant died in the womb and his body floated free from his mother's body through an opening in the body caused by decomposition.


3. Conner's body was in the water for only a short time before it was found.


4. The knotted tape wrapped around Conner's neck was debris that got tangled with the body as it floated in San Francisco Bay and was not attached by the killer.


5. Laci was wearing light colored maternity pants with duct tape stuck on the crotch, which made a so-called "coffin birth," a phenomenon frequently cited in the case, impossible.

These startling discoveries and others from the autopsy destroy the defense's strategy which blames the deaths of Laci and her unborn son on a sick ritual sacrifice by a satanic cult, says Goldberg.

"Scott's attorneys are doing their duty by trying to turn over every rock in this case," Goldberg tells GLOBE. "But I've spent time in the Dominican Republic, where cult activity is rampant, investigating witchcraft cases. From information contained in the autopsy I think a real satanic defense for Scott Peterson is a real stretch."

And Laci's heartbroken family is outraged that Scott, 30, and his lawyers would try to twist the autopsy results in an attempt to get him acquitted of the murders of his wife and son.

"It's very disturbing that Scott's defense team would use the autopsy to try and clear his name," Laci's dad Dennis Rocha tells GLOBE in an exclusive interview. "They're looking for anything to get him off. They'll try anything to show it's not Scott."

Goldberg says the autopsy results support the scenario that Laci was murdered, taken to the San Francisco Bay location, then her body was somehow weighted down and dumped in the water.

After months of deterioration, baby Conner's body floated free from her body and both bobbed to the surface shortly after, Goldberg explains.

According to the autopsy report by Brian Peterson, Contra Costa County pathologist,
Laci's body consisted mostly of just a torso. Missing were her head, both arms, the left leg from the knee down, the right foot and her internal organs.

Her cervix, the entrance to the birth canal, was "intact and closed," but there was an opening in the abdominal area above due to deterioration.

Laci was wearing remnants of light-colored maternity pants with duct tape on the crotch area.
The autopsy report estimates her body had been decomposing in the water for months. Conner's body was nearly perfectly preserved, showing little decomposition. He still had his hands, feet, and genitals. A knotted piece of tape or plastic was wrapped one and a half times around his neck. There was a cut running from his chest to his right shoulder. There was no sign of the umbilical cord or placenta.

These autopsy facts definitely rule out a cult theory that supposes Laci was murdered in some sort of sacrifice and Conner was born alive, says Goldberg. "The report says the cervix was intact and closed," "This means there was an abdominal release due to decomposition, and not a vaginal expulsion," explains Goldberg.

There were no weapon marks on the bone which would be the case if a knife was used. "Even a propeller from a passing boat would leave a tool mark. Instead, her body parts came off due to erosion."

Some suggest that the tape or plastic around Conner's neck was knotted by the killer or that the baby was put into a plastic bag and someone wrapped tape around the body. But Goldberg says the tape or plastic around Conner's neck and under his arm "seems most consistent with debris he picked up as he left the womb or floated in the bag."

Goldberg says the maternity pants Laci was wearing with duct tape at the crotch-probably used to wrap her body-helped prevent conner from being expelled through the cervix into the birth canal.
This and the fact that the cervix was not dilated, refutes theories of a coffin birth.

51 posted on 09/25/2003 3:20:23 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta
A New York minute!

It's been a NY minute already! Guess they're not going to share....(loooooonnnngggg siiiiggh).

52 posted on 09/25/2003 3:30:33 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Velveeta
Phew, thanks Vel.
53 posted on 09/25/2003 3:31:43 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: runningbear
Checking in, rb. How's everything?
54 posted on 09/25/2003 3:33:00 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: iconoclast; Hildy
Ah yes... and you two are reading this thread for extremely mature reasons, I'm sure. Which is it, love for humanity, or intense interest in the compelling legal issues?

Humorless hypocrites. You're reading this thread in the first place to titillate yourselves, and you have the gall to call me immature for putting up some light-hearted humor.
55 posted on 09/25/2003 4:08:58 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Right Wing Crazy #5338526)
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To: All; Velveeta; runningbear
From Article: Goldberg says the maternity pants Laci was wearing with duct tape at the crotch-probably used to wrap her body-helped prevent conner from being expelled through the cervix into the birth canal.

This and the fact that the cervix was not dilated, refutes theories of a coffin birth.

When I first heard of the coffin birth I never once thought it meant being expelled from the cervix. In order for the cervix to dilate a person would have to be alive. My assumption was always that a coffin birth would be through deterioration of the uterus and stomach.

Further up in the article Goldberg said Laci's maternity pants were light blue. I wonder if her sister has confirmed that is what she was wearing the night of Dec 23 when she and Scott came to have Laci's sister cut his hair?

From previous article: Peterson apparently spoke to Frey on the phone only once on Dec. 23, the day his wife vis- ited her doctor.

They don't say if the call originated from Amber's phone or Scott's phone or what time this call was made. If the call originated from Amber's phone, I wonder if they are positive Amber talked with Scott or maybe Laci picked up the phone and then got into a confrontation with Scott.

56 posted on 09/25/2003 4:15:12 PM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
maybe Laci picked up the phone and then got into a confrontation with Scott.

That's why this report of the Dec. 23rd call jumps out at me..may be used to show that there may have been an altercation if Amber testifies that she did indeed hear a female voice on the other end when she phoned Scott that day. Could fit into a timeline that the Prosecution might lay out. But with the new reports of solicitation, this all may not matter.

57 posted on 09/25/2003 4:38:09 PM PDT by Jackie-O
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To: Spunky
I don't believe that the maternity pants could be light blue - that would be impossible. The people who saw her walking her dog said that her pants were black. ;)
58 posted on 09/25/2003 4:58:29 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Jackie-O
Not only possible solicitation, Jackie, but also all of the other evidence of premeditation. Also, it seems like a crime of passion might have left more evidence in the house. I concede, however, that Scott may have already had the plan in place and the phone call might of triggered a chain of events that led him to act earlier than he originally planned.
59 posted on 09/25/2003 5:05:42 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: Devil_Anse; Velveeta; Jackie-O; Sandylapper; All
Thanks for the ping's Velveeta and Devil Anse.

On April 23,it was reported, that a crime report was released,that said LE,had evidence that Scott did use the homemade achors to sink Laci. It now appears according to the Oct 7th,NE,that they, must now have a match from one of the anchor's brought up from the bay search.Here is the paragraph from back in April.
— "Police have evidence that Scott Peterson devised home-made anchors to sink his wife's body in San Francisco Bay. A crime report, apparently released by accident, indicates that the killing occurred at the Peterson home in Modesto."
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/042303_Scott_peterson.html
60 posted on 09/25/2003 5:13:35 PM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: MaggieMay
"Police have evidence that Scott Peterson devised home-made anchors to sink his wife's body in San Francisco Bay. A crime report, apparently released by accident, indicates that the killing occurred at the Peterson home in Modesto."

Outstanding catch there, Mags! Two critical points...'Police have evidence .....' AND 'A crime report, released by accident, indicates the killing occurred at the Peterson home in Modesto'. We kinda know about the devised homemade anchors, but precisely what were the indications that the killing occurred at the Peterson home'? Wish the judge would lift the gag order. He should, with so many leaks of late.

61 posted on 09/25/2003 5:28:48 PM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: Devil_Anse; Velveeta
I just knew they would eventually find an anchor and more evidence if they kept searching. LE are determined to get this guy. This crime is particularly gruesome. I'll bet Snott wishes he had asked for a divorce now. Who's gonna bet me that he cracks soon???
62 posted on 09/25/2003 5:31:24 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Velveeta
Wow thanks for the Globe article Vel. I have ALWAYS said that Laci was weighted, dumped and that the baby was expelled from the womb as it deteriorated. I know they said the baby was in good condition. What a great Forensic expert they have quoted. He is one that has worked within the culture of satanic rituals.!! I believe every word. I also have NEVER thought that tape (loose at that) around the baby's neck and under the arm was anything but debris.
63 posted on 09/25/2003 5:34:56 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Jackie-O
Ambers father tho has said that Amber had NEVER spoken with Laci. God, I mean the guy had 5 cell phone accounts!! He sounds like a typical drug dealer.
64 posted on 09/25/2003 5:37:52 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: MaggieMay
I remember that article Maggie. Do any of you remember when Ted Rowlands said he told Scott that the Detectives had said they figured they'd be making an arrest within week? And Ted R. asked Snott if he was worried. Snott says "No, They don't have any thing on me"!! I recall Rowlands saying that that was an odd answer. He doesn't say, well why should I worry, I never did anything. He says, they don't have anything on me!! What a disgusting POS he is.!!
65 posted on 09/25/2003 5:45:08 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: Canadian Outrage
A drug dealer or a married man that had alot going on on the side.
66 posted on 09/25/2003 5:47:02 PM PDT by Jackie-O (Allthough at my age it's kind of flattering to be called new!)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Freepmail, Lynn! ;o)
67 posted on 09/25/2003 5:50:15 PM PDT by Jackie-O (Allthough at my age it's kind of flattering to be called new!)
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To: thoughtomator
I called it immature. It was not funny at all.
68 posted on 09/25/2003 6:34:28 PM PDT by Hildy (SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican.)
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To: HoHoeHeaux
Make something blue.
69 posted on 09/25/2003 8:59:48 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: Sacajaweau
Yes, as a matter of fact, that was part of the discussion when people here first heard that Geragos was pushing a satanic cult killing theory. Some people said, "If a cult did it, why would they greatly increase their chances of being caught with the body by driving Laci 80+ miles, all the way to the Bay?"

I mean, if we think about it, we know Laci wasn't going anywhere on her own that day, except possibly to points in her neighborhood. So someone else took her to the Bay--either dead or alive. (Probably dead.) WHO has the greater interest in getting the body as far away from Scott's known haunts (home, etc.) as possible? Scott, of course. Strangers would be INCREASING their chances of exposure by taking the body all those miles. Scott would be DECREASING his chances of exposure by taking the body as many miles as he could get from his own neighborhood.
70 posted on 09/25/2003 9:06:25 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Velveeta
This guy sounds good.

It almost sounds like Laci's killer knew about the phenomenon of coffin birth, and strove to prevent it from happening. Or he had some far sicker reasons for putting tape there, where the baby would have come out. Almost like a symbolic internment of the baby.

I had never heard of coffin birth till I read about it in this case. Scott has no known medical background. Makes me wonder how much the killer prepared for this--a lot, apparently.
71 posted on 09/25/2003 9:09:08 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Spunky
Spunky, are you sure the article said the pants were light BLUE? All I could find was "light colored".
72 posted on 09/25/2003 9:13:08 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: runningbear
Ususally, and find it odd that Mark Dalton, Geragos's law partner, would be fired?

What I heard today, was that Dalton disagreed with the direction the defense was going in Snotts case. Everyday it's something different, hard to know what to believe!

73 posted on 09/26/2003 1:19:46 AM PDT by blondee123
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To: Princeliberty
I do not think Scott cared who or what the woman was like, pretty or not pretty, I think he cheated more than we know at this time. I think he never was commited to the marriage. He liked being a playboy and pretending he was a RICH playboy at that!!
74 posted on 09/26/2003 1:24:27 AM PDT by blondee123
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To: Canadian Outrage
FIVE cell phone accounts????? This guy has some serious splainin to do!!
75 posted on 09/26/2003 1:36:42 AM PDT by blondee123
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To: Devil_Anse
I had never heard of coffin birth till I read about it in this case. Scott has no known medical background. Makes me wonder how much the killer prepared for this--a lot, apparently.

Devil, perhaps we'll find out that he also researched drownings of a pregnant woman, on his computer!!

76 posted on 09/26/2003 1:38:31 AM PDT by blondee123
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To: runningbear
Personally, I don't think this has any significance.

If we accept that before Laci's death, Scott was having an affair with Amber and was promising to someday marry her -- which seems to be the case, then *if* he did NOT kill Laci and is perfectly innocent, it seems reasonable to me that he would still seek Amber's comfort after Laci's disappearance.

On the other hand, if he had killed Laci, it seems to me like it would have been more sensible for him to have minimized contact with Amber in the aftermath of that. He had to know he would be a suspect. Anyone who watches TV would know that. Contacting Amber in any way would be an irrational act for a guilty person.

In my mind, his frequent contacts with Amber are exculpatory. That's not to say that I don't think he did it -- I do. I just don't think the frequency of his contacts with Amber goes to show that. If I were the prosecutor, I'd introduce that, but I wouldn't try to do much with it.

77 posted on 09/26/2003 2:00:24 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
Although your argument about Scott's contacting Amber is logical - I disagree with the premise. You are assuming that he is "rational" and would have understood that, as the husband, he would be under suspicion. Scott probably has an inflated (maybe even grandiose) view of himself. He likely believed (and perhaps still does) that he is so much smarter than the police that there's no way he could be a suspect, let along get caught. Not to mention the fact that everyone (friends and family) know how "wonderful" he is and, therefore, they would knock themselves out defending and supporting him. I certainly agree that the calling is audacious and makes no sense from our perspectives. From Scott's perspective, however, it may make perfect sense.
78 posted on 09/26/2003 4:47:18 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: SheLion
:o)
79 posted on 09/26/2003 5:17:29 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: SheLion
cute tag line... ;o)
80 posted on 09/26/2003 5:17:54 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: justshe
;o)
81 posted on 09/26/2003 5:20:40 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Spunky
I think one must of been that investigator she knew that said he can find some background on Scott, when Amber was talking to him about Scott...... ? The other, maybe the primary informant told a close relative, kinfolk, then the informant told Amber?
82 posted on 09/26/2003 5:24:13 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: blondee123
Exactly! It's hard to believe, but whoever did all that taping seems to have been doing it to prevent the baby from coming out. Sick and weird!!
83 posted on 09/26/2003 5:24:34 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Velveeta
gasp..... awful..
84 posted on 09/26/2003 5:28:06 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: drjulie
Makes sense to me! We have to remember that Scott may not (almost surely does not?) think like we do.

Also, isn't it possible that he is so infantile that he can't defer gratification by sacrificing his calls/contacts to Amber? I mean, the way he called her so frequently, it reminds me of a child calling its mommy. I can't see him steeling himself, or saying to himself, "Okay, I've got to lay low for a while and not call her." For one thing, he'd be afraid he'd lose one of his "worshippers". He strikes me as the type who sees something he wants, and no way can he wait patiently or plan, but he just has to grab. Like a baby.
85 posted on 09/26/2003 5:29:23 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: RGSpincich
been on strange work schedule so I log on here and there... this case gets more gruesome .....
86 posted on 09/26/2003 5:34:02 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Devil_Anse
It almost sounds like Laci's killer knew about the phenomenon of coffin birth, and strove to prevent it from happening.

Or, it could be a sign of ignorance of the decompostion process. The killer may have thought that's the only exit for the baby cause everything else is wrapped in plastic.

87 posted on 09/26/2003 5:37:41 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: blondee123
spinning?..... hehee..
88 posted on 09/26/2003 5:43:09 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: The Other Harry
part of the evidence of webbing the case for conviction.
89 posted on 09/26/2003 5:44:58 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: blondee123; All
More on Dalton:

Peterson defense team loses attorney Dalton

Peterson defense team loses attorney Dalton

Matthew Dalton has left LA law firm.
THE BEE

By GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: September 26, 2003, 04:50:50 AM PDT

One of Scott Peterson's attorneys has left his defense team -- and no one associated with the double-murder case is saying why.

Matthew Dalton, whose role in the high-profile case mostly was confined to behind-the-scenes legwork, is no longer employed by the Los Angeles law firm of Geragos & Geragos, a receptionist confirmed Thursday.

She referred questions to managing partner Mark Geragos -- Peterson's lead defense attorney -- but Geragos did not return messages during business hours Thursday.

The separation comes in a week filled with rumors, some published and aired in various media, that Peterson is unhappy with his legal representation.

The 30-year-old fertilizer salesman is scheduled to appear at a preliminary hearing Oct. 20 on charges that he killed his wife, Laci, and their unborn son, Conner. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

"It's damaging to Scott Peterson to have an important part of his defense team suddenly disappear," said Gloria Allred, a Los Angeles attorney representing Peterson's former girlfriend. Amber Frey could provide crucial testimony in court proceedings and Allred, attempting to preserve Frey's credibility, has crossed swords with Geragos.

"To have division in the ranks at a time when it's important to put together a good case, I can't see how that would be a benefit to Scott Peterson," Allred said.

Peterson's father, Lee Peterson, confirmed Thursday that Geragos continues to represent his son. He declined to say why Dalton left the firm.

Geragos' firm refused to provide a forwarding number for Dalton. The Bee was unable to reach him at other numbers.

Though Dalton largely was relegated to third-tier status behind Geragos and co-counsel Kirk McAllister of Modesto, he figured in a series of public moves since his former boss came on the scene in late April:

In May, Dalton suggested to reporters that Laci Peterson's family members were burglarizing the Petersons' La Loma-area home.

The dead woman's family entered the Covena Avenue home without coordinating with Scott Peterson's parents and removed truckloads of items, including her wedding dress, a rocking chair and a crib. The methodical moving was widely reported and touched off an emotional debate over property rights of victims' survivors vs. those accused of heinous crimes.

In June, Dalton told a judge in open session that the defense team had evidence pointing to "real killers" and offered to present it behind closed doors. The judge scheduled a private hearing; Dalton was seen banging on the door after it began but was not admitted.

After the meeting, Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Roger Beauchesne wrote in a decision, "No evidence on the investigation of 'other suspects' was presented."

Outside the courtroom after the initial June hearing, Dalton cryptically referred to shoes allegedly removed by Laci Peterson's family in May. Though Dalton called them "important evidence," television pundits criticized the statement, saying investigators on both sides would have taken possession of them long ago if they figured in the murders.

In August, Dalton -- despite a court-imposed gag order barring discussion of most aspects of the case -- outlined a theory involving kidnapping and human sacrifice, in full view of two Bee journalists.

Dalton, using a map and laptop computer, showed two forensics experts artwork that he said depicted ritualistic killings. The paintings are on a peninsula near where Scott Peterson said he fished alone on Christmas Eve, the day his pregnant wife was reported missing.

Remains of mother and son were recovered within miles of the point in April. Dalton -- as a photographer snapped flash pictures and a reporter took notes -- said the defense team placed floats in the water near the paintings and they drifted near where the bodies were found.

Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Al Girolami wanted a hearing on whether Dalton violated the gag order. But prosecutors, who also faced a contempt-of-court accusation by Geragos, called a truce on those issues in late August.

Legal scholar Michael Vitiello said it's not uncommon for lead attorneys to use other lawyers as "fall guys."

In a high-profile case two decades ago, a first-chair attorney wanted to disassociate himself from a noncredible witness by having Vitiello, a legal consultant, question the witness in court, he said. Vitiello now is a professor with Sacramento's McGeorge School of Law.

Perhaps, Vitiello said, Geragos hoped to use Dalton to "float a trial balloon, and if (it) turns out to be a dud, (Geragos) says, 'It was that (guy) over there.'"

90 posted on 09/26/2003 5:55:04 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: All
Amber Frey's lawyer says she fears for client's safety

Amber Frey's lawyer says she fears for client's safety

By GARTH STAPLEY
BEE STAFF WRITER

Published: September 26, 2003, 04:50:24 AM PDT

Attorney Gloria Allred said Thursday she fears for the safety of her client Amber Frey, murder suspect Scott Peterson's former girlfriend. But she stopped short of saying whether she asked police to protect her. Frey, who had a romantic relationship with Peterson, is living in a gated community in Fresno and is being protected by private security guards.

"I know what can happen out there," Allred said. "Only after a terrible event occurs do you know how justified your fears are."

Modesto police, citing a court-imposed gag order in the Peterson case, refused to say whether anyone had asked them to put a police guard on Frey, a potentially important witness in Scott Peterson's double-murder case.

A Fresno police spokesman confirmed Thursday that his department is not officially guarding Frey. The spokesman did not know if Modesto police had requested protection for the 28-year-old massage therapist.

Frey has said she was romantically involved with Peterson, not knowing he was married, before the disappearance and death of his pregnant wife, Laci.

Earlier this week, a source said Frey had moved to the gated community and hired guards after learning of a report that Scott Peterson had discussed having his wife kidnapped by members of a vicious neo-Nazi gang.

Modesto police Sgt. Ron Cloward, the department's acting spokesman, said Thursday that witnesses requiring protection in local cases over the years have been few and far between.

Speaking generally, Cloward said local authorities wanting protection for someone living in another area normally would request help from the FBI, the state Department of Justice or other area authorities. But he refused to say whether that had happened with Frey.

The Fresno woman met and started dating Scott Peterson in November, when Laci Peterson was about seven months pregnant. Frey contacted Modesto police Dec. 30, according to telephone records obtained by The Bee, and reportedly cooperated with authorities when they tapped Scott Peterson's cell phones a few days after.

Last week, jail inmate Cory Lee Carroll said he heard Peterson discussing the kidnapping of his wife with two members of the Nazi Low Riders, a street and prison gang steeped in drugs and violence. Carroll passed a lie detector test, said a retired police lieutenant who administered the examination.

Jared Lewis, a former Modesto police officer and gangs expert now living in Wisconsin, called Carroll's story "an interesting new piece of the puzzle."

"Is an organization such as this capable of carrying out (a kidnap and murder)? I'd say definitely," Lewis said. "This is one of the most up-and-coming violent gangs."

The gang emerged in the mid-1990s, is linked to Aryan Brotherhood white supremacists and is believed to have about 3,000 members, Lewis said. He left the Modesto department in November.

Scott Peterson, 30, is charged with killing his wife and unborn son, Conner. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

A preliminary hearing has been scheduled to start Oct. 20, though sources say main players may attempt to delay it a third time.

Allred has firsthand experience with high-profile witnesses in jeopardy.

Carlo Ventre, who abducted his daughter from California and acknowledged killing her mother in Italy, tried to put a $100,000 hit on the dead woman's parents, who were potential witnesses against Ventre. A Los Angeles judge in November cited the plot in a ruling to deport the man.............

91 posted on 09/26/2003 5:59:07 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Devil_Anse
It indeed may be difficult for him to defer gratification, especially when other people (the police, media, etc.) are starting to question him. It appears in his planning that he did have some idea, though, of the need to stay away from Amber. Didn't he tell her he would be away for a month or two? In Europe? When the time came he apparently couldn't contain himself. The police pick at him, and, in defense, his invincibility beliefs become even stronger. He also needs Amber to stoke the self-esteem fires. I can't be sure of any of this - just an assessment from afar. Off to work - have a good day everyone!
92 posted on 09/26/2003 6:03:59 AM PDT by drjulie
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To: runningbear
In June, Dalton told a judge in open session that the defense team had evidence pointing to "real killers" and offered to present it behind closed doors. The judge scheduled a private hearing; Dalton was seen banging on the door after it began but was not admitted.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy! Bbbwwwwaaaaahhhhaaahahahah!!!

93 posted on 09/26/2003 6:23:45 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta
Yeah... if there's one thing a person learns from reading about gruesome stuff like this, it's that poor murdered bodies don't always rot in peace!

Not that Scott would be an avid reader of anything, I'm guessing. Narcissistic emotional infants such as he is can't usually just occupy themselves by doing something solitary, like long reading. They are too needy for attention from others.
94 posted on 09/26/2003 7:25:08 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: runningbear
Now let's see if Dalton is sleazy enough to start giving interviews on the case.

Michael Vitiello was a torts professor of mine.
95 posted on 09/26/2003 7:29:43 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Velveeta
"banging on the door"

Yes, isn't that perfect??

Hey, maybe Dalton should run as a democrat candidate for governor of California! "Party of Buffonery".
96 posted on 09/26/2003 7:32:39 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse; Velveeta
Or even better, "Party of Buffoonery".
97 posted on 09/26/2003 7:33:25 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: drjulie
in defense, his invincibility beliefs become even stronger

And perhaps it was that feeling of invincibility that made him actually believe that he could communicate w/ Amber via cellphone over about a month at Christmas, w/o her ever figuring out that he was not really "in Maine visiting relatives" and then "in Belgium on business".

Also, there was his unbelievably unrealistic way of wearing the cap any time he was on camera, and shaving the hair off the sides of his head so determining his hair color would be difficult--all apparently in the belief that that way, he could be seen on national TV and not be recognized by Amber or by any of their mutual running buddies!

He was VERY camera-shy when all this first started. I remember everyone wondered about that!

98 posted on 09/26/2003 7:56:40 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Spunky, are you sure the article said the pants were light BLUE? All I could find was "light colored".

Ooooppppps! My bad.

I just got it in my mind light blue and didn't take time to go back and read the article to make sure if that was correct.

99 posted on 09/26/2003 8:29:32 AM PDT by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: runningbear
cute tag line... ;o)

Oh! Thank you! I just found your post! :)


100 posted on 09/26/2003 10:01:59 AM PDT by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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