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'Green Eggs and Ham' Put Into Latin
Yahoo News! ^ | Thu Sep 25 | ULA ILNYTZKY

Posted on 09/25/2003 4:03:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

NEW YORK - "Green Eggs and Ham" is an easy read. After all, the late Theodore Geisel, belovedly known as Dr. Seuss, wrote it after his editor challenged him to do a book in just 50 words.

But have you tried to read it in Latin?

Retitled "Virent Ova! Viret Perna!!" the Seuss classic has been rendered into Latin by Bolchazy-Carducci Publishers Inc. of Wauconda, Ill. The target audience is "people who took Latin in school and have fond remembrance of it, teachers and students who take Latin — and, of course, Seuss fans," Kelly Hughes, a spokeswoman for the publisher, said Wednesday.

Two Seuss books that were translated earlier, "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and "The Cat in the Hat," have sold a combined 60,000 copies in Latin.

Translators Terence and Jennifer Tunberg, husband and wife professors in the Department of Classical Languages at the University of Kentucky, did not aim for a literal interpretation of the tale, in which the character named Sam-I-Am tries to get a friend to try green eggs and ham in a box, with a fox, in the rain, on a train, etc.

Instead, they went for a Seusslike rhythm of the eight-syllable lines.

In English, you get, "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-Am."

In Latin, you get, "

Sum 'Pincerna' nominatus, Famulari ... nunc paratus!"

Sharon Kazmierski, a teacher of Latin and columnist for "The Classical Outlook," the journal of the American Classical League, reviewed "Virent Ova!"

"Instead of literally translating the classic, Jennifer and Terence Tunberg have written this book in the same style that Theodore Geisel might have if he were fluent in neo-Latin. This book doesn't just look like a Seuss book. It sounds like a Seuss book," Kazmierski said.

"Virent Ova! Viret Perna!!" is accompanied by Dr. Seuss' original whimsical drawings. A glossary of Latin-to-English vocabulary and a note on "How to Read These Verses" appear at the back of the book.

Whichever recipe one chooses, of course, the result is the same.

Sam's once-defiant sidekick concludes:

"Mihi placent, O Pincerna!

"Virent ova! Viret perna!

"Dapem posthac non arcebo.

"Gratum tibi me praebebo."

In other words:

"I do so like green eggs and ham.

"Thank you, thank you Sam-I-Am!"


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1 posted on 09/25/2003 4:04:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Aloysius; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; As you well know...; BBarcaro; ..
Latin Ping
2 posted on 09/25/2003 4:04:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
lol
3 posted on 09/25/2003 4:05:45 PM PDT by bluelowrider57 (More of da thugz crawlin)
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To: nickcarraway
i could barely stand the book in english
4 posted on 09/25/2003 4:05:51 PM PDT by bluelowrider57 (More of da thugz crawlin)
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To: nickcarraway
Ever read "Winnie Ille Pooh"?
5 posted on 09/25/2003 4:07:36 PM PDT by diotima (So it's sorta social, demented and sad, but social.)
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To: nickcarraway
My favorite was the Latin edition of Alice in Wonderland and the conversation between Alice and the Cheshire Cat. "ego insanna sum, tu insanna es" (I'm mad, you're mad) ... Then there was the Winnie Ille Pool, ... ah, memories ...
6 posted on 09/25/2003 4:09:46 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: diotima
Ever read "Winnie Ille Pooh"?

YES!!!!!!

7 posted on 09/25/2003 4:10:30 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: nickcarraway
Remember when Jesse Jackson read the book on Saturday Night Live? It was a hoot! The only time I ever paid attention to him...
8 posted on 09/25/2003 4:14:20 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: nickcarraway
The target audience is "people who took Latin in school and have fond remembrance of it

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit....

9 posted on 09/25/2003 4:14:45 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: nickcarraway
.....people who took Latin in school and have fond remembrance of it.....

The 138 Americans in this group are waiting anxiously for the paper back edition.
10 posted on 09/25/2003 4:14:54 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: laker_dad
"Remember when Jesse Jackson read the book on Saturday Night Live? It was a hoot!"

I remember that well. Must have been 12-15 years ago.

He read that straight-faced with perfect comedic timing and never cracked a smile or came out of character. It was brilliant.

I've always admired him for being able to laugh at himself like he did that night.

That was the same show where he "serenaded" Jean Kirkpatrick.

Sadly, Jesse ain't making anyone laugh anymore.

11 posted on 09/25/2003 4:23:09 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Map Kernow
I'm impressed!
12 posted on 09/25/2003 4:26:17 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: nickcarraway
Some one did "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" in Latin.

We gave one to a friend of ours who spent time at a hard-core Catholic school.

He never DID say "Thank you", now that I recall......LOL!

Tia

13 posted on 09/25/2003 4:26:39 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: bert
Come now, there must be at least 142 by now.
14 posted on 09/25/2003 4:26:45 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: laker_dad
Remember when Jesse Jackson read the book on Saturday Night Live? It was a hoot! The only time I ever paid attention to him...

Was that the same episode where Jesse kept going up to the control booth, and before he could get there they'd scramble to replace all the white people with black people?

15 posted on 09/25/2003 4:43:30 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: nickcarraway
Mirificissimus!

I'd like to find a copy of Tom Lehrer's Latin translation of The Wizard of Oz.

16 posted on 09/25/2003 4:43:52 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I don't remember that part...
17 posted on 09/25/2003 4:49:08 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: billorites
http://www.wavsource.com/tv/snl/green_eggs1.wav
18 posted on 09/25/2003 4:58:08 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: laker_dad
Oops! That link doesn't work! Sorry...
19 posted on 09/25/2003 5:00:06 PM PDT by laker_dad
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To: nickcarraway
Hmmm... Need a copy to go alonside my copy of "Winnie Ille Pu"
20 posted on 09/25/2003 5:10:20 PM PDT by Eala (quag-mire (kwag’mÌre, kwäg’mÌre) noun. Democrat presidential aspirations)
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To: Map Kernow
What you say?!
21 posted on 09/25/2003 5:16:10 PM PDT by 4mycountry (You say I'm a brat like it's a bad thing.)
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To: nickcarraway; All
Hey, this might be a good thread to ask another Latin question:

I have found two different versions of the Fatima prayer.

Prex Decadis Rosarii

O mi Jesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra, libera nos ab igne inferni, conduc in caelum omnes animas, praesertim illas quae maxime indigent misericordia tua.

Domine Iesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferiori, perduc in caelum omnes animas, praesertim eas, quae misericordiae tuae maxime indigent.

Can anybody tell me if one of these is deficient, or better than the other?
22 posted on 09/25/2003 5:24:10 PM PDT by dsc
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To: nickcarraway
What a riot!


It's quite an exercise in English for speaking clearly. I can only assume it is in Latin too.
23 posted on 09/25/2003 5:31:52 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: laker_dad
I was just thinking that.

Someone should translate Jackson's "Stay Out the Bushes" speek into Latin so it might make sense. Or at least could be more easily ignored.
24 posted on 09/25/2003 5:36:07 PM PDT by Duke Nukum ([T]he only true mystery is that our very lives are governed by dead people.)
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To: nickcarraway
Finally! Al Gore can now travel to South America to
hear it recited by the natives.
25 posted on 09/25/2003 5:36:14 PM PDT by Jim Cane (Arrrrgh, posting like a hard@$$ uberrandian to "compensate" for not having a porsche~ Running Dawg)
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To: concordKIWI; Neophyte; Brian Allen; 2sheep; spitz
,,, I'm sure we all eagerly await the Maori version.
26 posted on 09/25/2003 5:41:33 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: nickcarraway; FreeTheHostages
I personally enjoy how Dr. Seuss explains Computer Technology.

Dr. Seuss Explains Why Computers Sometimes Crash~
(Read this aloud, if you can!)

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,

and the bus is interrupted as a very last resort,

and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,

then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,

and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,

and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,

then your situation's hopeless

and your system's gonna crash!!

If the label on the cable on the table at your house
says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,

but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,

and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse;

then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the
disk,

and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,

then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM.

Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom!
27 posted on 09/25/2003 5:50:06 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: dsc
I saw the latter, but I can ask someone.
28 posted on 09/25/2003 5:52:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: laker_dad
I don't remember that part...

It might have been a different appearance. I do remember it vividly, though. I thought it quite hilarious at the time. The joke, as I recall, was that the control room people didn't want a lecture from Jesse about hiring more minorities. Or at least that was the implication. In those days he could make fun of himself, intentionally. Now he does it unintentionally.

29 posted on 09/25/2003 5:58:29 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: Calpernia
LOL!
30 posted on 09/25/2003 6:09:19 PM PDT by ELS
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To: nickcarraway
Veni, Vidi, Vicki: "I came, I saw, and I'm like, 'Omigod!'"
31 posted on 09/25/2003 7:14:30 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Had lots of Latin: two years in high school, one year in college, and one quarter in seminary.)
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To: nickcarraway
What if Shakespeare had written the Hokey Pokey?
32 posted on 09/25/2003 7:20:26 PM PDT by uglybiker (Good friends bail you out of jail. True friends sit next to you and say: "That was cool!")
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To: Charles Henrickson
LOL! Do you teach high school Latin, by any chance?
33 posted on 09/25/2003 7:48:20 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Do you teach high school Latin, by any chance?

No. But I am a Lutheran minister, working on a Ph.D. in theology, so Latin is one of the languages I am able to work with.

34 posted on 09/25/2003 8:03:27 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Hebrew, Greek, Latin, German, Swedish--next is Aramaic.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
I thought that perhaps the "Vicki" and "I'm like" connection indicated somebody who spent time around teenagers.

Personally, I think teaching Latin would be a great thing to do. It's not well paid, though. If I ever win the Lottery, I plan to quit what I'm doing now and start teaching Latin. But not until I win the Lottery.
35 posted on 09/25/2003 8:08:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: nickcarraway
My favorite Latin saying:

O Civili, sed ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili, Deis Trux
Indem arcem causen Dux

Can't figure it out? Then read it out loud!

36 posted on 09/25/2003 8:10:52 PM PDT by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution)
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To: shaggy eel; concordKIWI; Neophyte; 2sheep
I'm hanging out for the Moriori version.

US Morioris always get the shaft.

[Even we lucky few who managed to miss the cooking pot -- and who miss our moas and our beaches]
37 posted on 09/25/2003 8:50:41 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
,,, ko nga Rangatira o nga iwi o Niu Tireni kua noho i runga i te whakaaro kotahi me era Rangatira e tau ke ana e noho ana i runga i o ratou ritenga ano kahore ano kia uru ki tana whakakotahitanga e tino tuku rawa ana ki Te Kuini o Ingarangi nga tikanga me nga mana katoa o te Rangatiratanga e whakahaerea ana e mau ana i taua whakakotahitanga o ia Rangatira hoki e whakahaerea ana i runga i o ratou whenua i runga i to ratou Rangatiratanga ake ki reira.
38 posted on 09/25/2003 8:57:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: livius
I thought that perhaps the "Vicki" and "I'm like" connection indicated somebody who spent time around teenagers.

It is mostly a teenage-girl phenomenon, and, within that, mostly a teenage-girl-talking-to-other-teenage-girls phenomenon.

We have a 19-year-old daughter and a 7-year-old daughter at home. When the 19-year-old is talking freely with her friends, she cannot go more than a few sentences without falling into the "I'm like"/"And she's like" pattern for reported speech or thought. I have tried to caution the 7-year-old not to use "I'm like," but I'm afraid she has started picking it up in the last year from her friends. Whatever. :-)

Personally, I think teaching Latin would be a great thing to do.

I agree. My Latin teacher was my favorite teacher in high school, and my Latin and Greek professor in college was my favorite teacher there.

39 posted on 09/25/2003 9:02:53 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson ("I'm like, not here to like bury Caesar--I'm sure!--but to like praise him.")
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To: nickcarraway
Years ago, we read "Winnie Ille Poo" in High School.
40 posted on 09/25/2003 9:05:36 PM PDT by fqued (Quidquid id est, Clintonos timeo et dona ferentes.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Weeny, weedy, weaky.

When the ancient Brits heard Caeser describe them that way, they totally disheartened and simply gave up.

41 posted on 09/25/2003 9:06:47 PM PDT by Held_to_Ransom
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To: livius
Personally, I think teaching Latin would be a great thing to do

The most important classes I took in high school were Latin and Greek--it taught me how what I say means what it says (got that?).
In essence, I think of English in terms of Latin and Greek syntax, because English syntax is so amorphous. Who ever learned about the optative or the pluperfect subjunctive in an English Class? And yet, we do, indeed, speak in ways that make sense when thought of in terms of the syntax of Latin and Greek.
42 posted on 09/25/2003 9:13:21 PM PDT by fqued (Quidquid id est, Clintonos timeo et dona ferentes.)
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Osama surrenders to Bush Dr. Seuss style:

OBL - "Would you like me in a box? Could you like me crushed by rocks?"
Bush - "I would not could not in a box. I could not would not crushed on rocks. I do not want you here nor there. I would not want you breathing air."

43 posted on 09/25/2003 9:13:37 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: nickcarraway
Two Seuss books that were translated earlier, "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" and "The Cat in the Hat," have sold a combined 60,000 copies in Latin.

Shucks. That means I still gotta wait until they do "Horton Hatches The Egg"

44 posted on 09/25/2003 9:20:49 PM PDT by Willie Green ('I meant what I said, and I said what I meant.. An elephant's faithfull - one hundred per cent!'.)
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To: nickcarraway
I love it!

I have a friend who took Latin all through Catholic high school. I only learned a couple of songs & phrases in Latin in my short stint at Catholic school. This will make a great XMAS gift. <:D

45 posted on 09/25/2003 9:25:14 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
The decline in the study of Latin, generally, can be traced, in large part, to the abandoning of the Latin Mass by Vatican II in the early-to-mid 1960s. That may or may not have been a good thing in other respects--that would be a whole 'nother discussion--but for interest and instruction in Latin it was disastrous. Homeschooling and the classical education movement have been the best things for the revival of Latin in the last 10-15 years.
46 posted on 09/25/2003 9:35:23 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
I have a friend who took Latin all through Catholic high school. I only learned a couple of songs & phrases in Latin in my short stint at Catholic school. This will make a great XMAS gift.

Here it is in redneck (from Dialecticizer that somebody posted a few days ago)

ah have a friend who took Latin all through Catholic high skoo. ah only larned a couple of songs & phrases in Latin in mah sho't stint at Catholic skoo. This hyar will make a great XMAS gif'.

In jive:

I gots some homey who took Latin all drough Cadolic high farm. ah' only learned some couple uh beats & phrases in Latin in mah' sho't stint at Cadolic farm. Dis gots'ta make some great XMAS gift. Man!

In Elmer Fudd:

I have a fwiend who took Watin aww thwough Cathowic high schoow. I onwy weawned a coupwe of songs & phwases in Watin in my showt stint at Cathowic schoow. Dis wiww make a gweat XMAS gift.

47 posted on 09/25/2003 9:50:46 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: nickcarraway
"Twas Brillo, and the G.E. stoves
Did Procter and Gamble in the Glade;
All Pilsbury were the tasty loaves,
And in a Minute Maid.

'Beware the Station Break, my son--
The voice that lulls, the ads that vex;
Beware the doctor's claim and shun
That horror called 'Brand X'!

He took his Q-Tip swab in hand,
Long time the Maxim foe he sought;
Then rested he by the Tum-Tum tree
And stood a while in thought.

And as in Jello thought he stood,
The Station-Break, with eyes of flame,
Came charging through the Pride-hazed wood--
And cream-rinsed as it came!

It charged--and through and through the Q-Tip swab
Went Snicker-snack! He Dreft its head,
And with its head he went galumphing back.

'And hast thou slain the Station-Break?!
Oh, come to my arms, my Excedrin boy!
Oh chocolate pie, oh Metrecal! He chortled in his joy.

Twas Brillo, and the G.E. stoves
Did Procter and Gamble in the Glade;
All Pilsbury were the tasty loaves,
And in a Minute Maid.

--my imperfect memory's version of Mad Magazine's version of Jabberwocky

48 posted on 09/25/2003 10:14:05 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: rustbucket
The Elmer Fudd has me waffing out woud!!! I weawwy wike it!!
49 posted on 09/25/2003 10:19:47 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: rustbucket
I have a friend who took Latin all through Catholic high school. I only learned a couple of songs & phrases in Latin in my short stint at Catholic school. This will make a great XMAS gift.

Here it is in redneck (from Dialecticizer that somebody posted a few days ago)

For an excellent laugh .... take a technical resume (with jargon and acronyms) and pop it through the dialectizer on Swedish Chef mode .....

funny stuff man :)

50 posted on 09/25/2003 11:32:25 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam : totalitarian political ideology / meme cloaked under the cover of religion)
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