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To: quidnunc
During the time of the Muslim occupation of Spain, Christianity was hardly a model of theological enlightenment.
3 posted on 09/27/2003 1:21:31 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: curmudgeonII
That may be true, but Christianity did not start the wars with Islam, Islam did. Christianity only fought back.

Furthermore, Christianity was adopted by a Roman Emperor, but in the same years Islam was busy conquering territory for the ol' Arabian moon god, Christianity was not spreading itself with the sword. Later, after the Crusades, with the Teutonic knights and with the Spanish in America, perhaps, but basically, Christianity has spread with missonaries preaching, not soldiers putting the sword to people and telling them convert or die, as does Islam.

6 posted on 09/27/2003 1:31:21 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: curmudgeonII
The difference is that the defects of Christianity came from the defects of believers - that is, their tendency to ignore the fundamental precepts of their religion in their greed, quest for power, etc.

By contrast, the defects of Islam come from its practice: it is, in its very scriptures, a violent, cruel creed that is both a religion and a political system. Every time Muslims in Spain or elsewhere became more "tolerant" - that is, less zealous in clinging to the bizarre precepts of their religion - they were destroyed by other groups of more zealous Muslims.

This is exactly what is happening once again in the contemporary world.
8 posted on 09/27/2003 1:34:53 PM PDT by livius
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To: curmudgeonII
During the time of the Muslim occupation of Spain, Christianity was hardly a model of theological enlightenment.

Perhaps this will help. Whenever the Christian brute enforces intolerance, he has to contort the New Testament to divine his moral obligation. The Muslim brute, on the other hand, just simply has to have a literal reading of the Koran.

9 posted on 09/27/2003 1:35:52 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: curmudgeonII
curmudgeonII wrote: During the time of the Muslim occupation of Spain, Christianity was hardly a model of theological enlightenment.

Granted, but nobody today with two brain cells to rub together claims that it was.

On the other hand Andalusian Islam is touted by many as being nirvana.

10 posted on 09/27/2003 1:36:11 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: curmudgeonII
The conditions described in bold in the article were prevalent throughout the world, the Muslims had no lock on it. The Christians have been even less tolerant at times. The Jews were tolerant because they had no power or country of their own.
I would like people – particularly the radical Christian right – to recognize that early Christians were as ruthless as any other group and instead of hiding in a fantasy goody-goody dream world admit their violent roots.
It would not be a bad thing, and if the deception is removed there would be one less reason for the interfaith bickering. Religion could be removed from the equation. Instead of some trying to make a New Crusade out of the current dangerous situation, the situation could be approached rationally.
There are a large number of radical evil people who are trying their best to cause us harm. If we remove religion from the equation maybe the radical Muslim organizations will not have it so easy when it comes to recruitment, as fear of a New Crusade is one of their selling points.
43 posted on 09/27/2003 3:31:07 PM PDT by R. Scott
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To: curmudgeonII
The world of the 11th century was brutal in all arenas. The real problem is that Christianity has had a journey of enlightenment over the last thousand years and Islam has regressed deeper into barbarity.
106 posted on 09/28/2003 4:02:54 PM PDT by Natural Law
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