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The Search For Atlantis 'Ends At Ayia Napa' (Cyprus)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-28-2003 | Fiona Govan

Posted on 09/27/2003 5:01:50 PM PDT by blam

The search for Atlantis 'ends at Ayia Napa'

By Fiona Govan
(Filed: 28/09/2003)

It may be the answer generations of experts on the ancient world have been looking for. New research claims that the fabled ancient civilisation of Atlantis is located close to Cyprus.

After nearly 10 years of research using ocean mapping technology and accounts from ancient texts, an American explorer says he has evidence that Atlantis lies beneath the deep blue waters off the southern tip of the island.

Robert Sarmast, a self-proclaimed mythologist and expert on the ancient world, makes this claim in his book, Discovery of Atlantis - The Startling Case for the Island of Cyprus, published last week in America by Origin Press. Mr Sarmast uses maps to show the location of archaeological remains on a sunken strip of land just off the south coast of Cyprus, which he says is Atlantis.

Mr Sarmast said at his home in California last week: "This is going to rewrite the history books. We are set to make the biggest archaeological discovery of all time."

His research, which cost $500,000 (£312,000) and uses data collected by a Russian scientific survey vessel in 1989, was paid for by the Heritage Standard Corporation, an organisation involved in undersea surveys for oil and gas. He now intends to carry out an expedition to explore the sea bed, to find proof of his theory.

Mr Sarmast says the site matches Plato's account of Atlantis, in the dialogues Timaeus and Critias, written in about 400BC. The description is said to be based on the writings of Solon, who recorded the account told to him by the Egyptians in around 600BC.

Whereas many historians believe that Atlantis is the stuff of legend and that Plato's description is an allegory to praise the values of Athenian society, Mr Sarmast takes a more literal view.

"My discovery will vindicate Plato," he said. "Within his dialogues, Plato provides factual clues as to what Atlantis was like. I have matched all but two of the 45 clues with the area around Cyprus. That's either the biggest coincidence in the history of the world or we have found Plato's Atlantis. Plato's account is so detailed that it is possible to make city plans based on his description. These match exactly the antediluvian maps of Cyprus as discovered through oceanographic mapping."

Mr Sarmast says he has identified many of the areas described by Plato, including a rectangular plain, running east to west, containing a metropolis at its centre.

Central to the latest theory is the fact that the Mediterranean basin suffered a catastrophic flood with the destruction of the Gibraltar "dam" that once closed the Mediterranean Sea from the Atlantic.

This substantiates Plato's claim that an epochal flood "swallowed up" the island of Atlantis leaving only the uninhabited mountainous regions above water, and supports the Biblical story of the flood.

Mr Sarmast believes that it will not be difficult to launch an underwater expedition and that the rewards will be great. "It's only a mile down in warm, calm waters," he said. "Compare that with the Titanic which is two miles down in freezing, treacherous waters. That was explored fully 20 years ago.

"What we have here is a whole city, an ancient civilisation, megalithic sites packed full of artefacts. We can expect to find colossal buildings, bridges, roads, canals and stone temples. With no sunlight, heat, oxygen or wind to degrade its remains, Atlantis will be mummified in the cold waters of the deep sea, frozen in time."

Mr Sarmast's claim about Cyprus is, however, just the latest in a long list of suggested locations for Atlantis, including the Azores, the Sahara desert, Malta, Central America and Antarctica.

Cypriot reaction last week ranged from derision to enthusiastic support.

Dr Despo Pilides, an archaeologist at the Department of Antiquities, said: "Serious archaeologists tend to place the search for Atlantis within the realm of fantasy.

"This latest theory should be taken with a very large pinch of salt. Archaeologists only work with hard evidence. There is no evidence whatsoever to give credence to this hypothesis and we have no intention of investigating it."

But in the kafenios, the coffee houses where men pass the time and debate the issues of the day, it was a different story.

Christos sipped his strong, dark coffee as he contemplated the idea. "Of course it's true," he said. "We are Atlantis, we are the oldest civilisation, we are the Garden of Eden. This is a very good thing for Cyprus. We will be more famous than anywhere else in the world."

The tourist industry agreed. A spokesman for the Cyprus Tourism Organisation said: "I don't think we should be hasty in dismissing this idea. Whether it is true or not it can only be a good thing for us.

"People will want to come and visit what could be part of Atlantis."

British holidaymakers in Ayia Napa were less impressed. "I couldn't care less," said one Briton. "If you're looking for Atlantis, I'll tell you where it is. It's on the left before you get to Larnaca . . . the Atlantis Night Club Cabaret. But get there early if you want a seat - it gets quite full."


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; atlantis; ayia; crevolist; cyprus; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; minoan; mycenaean; napa; search
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1 posted on 09/27/2003 5:01:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: farmfriend; RightWhale
ping.
2 posted on 09/27/2003 5:02:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I thought Atlantis was off the coast of Cuba.
3 posted on 09/27/2003 5:06:37 PM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: blam
The experts said that the city of Troy did not exist either, until after it was found and proven to exist.
4 posted on 09/27/2003 5:07:51 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: NautiNurse
Me too.
5 posted on 09/27/2003 5:09:27 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: blam
Cyprus has some of the oldest buildings in the world.
6 posted on 09/27/2003 5:14:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
I think this calls for a Toga Party!!!! TOW-GAA TOW-GAA!!
7 posted on 09/27/2003 5:18:25 PM PDT by byteback
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To: blam

8 posted on 09/27/2003 5:24:17 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: blam
" With no sunlight, heat, oxygen or wind to degrade its remains, Atlantis will be mummified in the cold waters of the deep sea, frozen in time."

Gee how long does he think it took to get covered with water?
9 posted on 09/27/2003 5:25:41 PM PDT by inPhase
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To: *crevo_list; VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Atlantis, the Flood, everything! PING. [This list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
10 posted on 09/27/2003 5:28:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The "Agreement of the Willing" is posted at the end of my personal profile page.)
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To: blam
Wow, just think...all those nights that I was partying in Ayia Napa, I didn't realize that Atlantis was so close!
11 posted on 09/27/2003 5:33:12 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: blam
A continent smaller than Cyprus?
12 posted on 09/27/2003 5:37:33 PM PDT by Consort
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To: PatrickHenry
"Atlantis is here!"
"No, no...it's over here!"
"Idiots...it's over here!"
"You're all wrong...it's over here!"

Ad ridiculosum...

13 posted on 09/27/2003 5:46:23 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: blam
I hardly see any reason why your name has to be appended to your posts.

Whenever I see an especially interesting post, I just automatically knoe it's a Blam special.

Keep up the good work, Blam.
14 posted on 09/27/2003 5:54:42 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: Ippolita; diotima
ancient ping
15 posted on 09/27/2003 6:00:58 PM PDT by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: inPhase; NautiNurse
"Gee how long does he think it took to get covered with water?"

Not long but, it would be determined by the size of the opening. The Black Sea was estimated (Ryan & Pittman)to have risen at the rate of one foot a day when it broke through at the Bosporus.

During the Ice Age the oceans of the world were reduced in depth by 300-500 feet, most accept 400 feet.
Go here and see a map of the world with the ocean depth reduced by about 300 feet. Notice that the Mediterranean Ocean is divided into three sections even at 300 feet. There are underwater scouring marks on the ocean floor that indicated a large intense flow of water ...just like at the Black Sea...at the Gilbraltar entrance
I do believe the Mediterranean was dessicated (lower water level) prior to the Ice Age melt.

The Mediterranean has been completely dried out at least 40 times, the last time was 4 million years ago. There are salt deposits on the bottom of the Mediterranean that are a mile thick and it is salt that forms only when exposed to direct sunlight. So... The guy has a good plan for Atlantis,at least regarding the water.

I have a theory that the same thing happened to the Gulf Of Mexico during the Ice Age. (That's how a city got 1/2 mile underwater off the coast of Cuba, another potential Atlantis site)

16 posted on 09/27/2003 6:09:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
"Cyprus has some of the oldest buildings in the world."

Yup. The oldest ever found.

17 posted on 09/27/2003 6:10:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: John Beresford Tipton

18 posted on 09/27/2003 6:12:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"We are Atlantis, we are the oldest civilisation, we are the Garden of Eden.

All these? Besides, who is 'we'?

19 posted on 09/27/2003 6:22:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: blam
Problem is Plato said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules"--i.e. outside the straits of Gibralter. So all these theories about a Mediterranean location for Atlantis flunk that test.
20 posted on 09/27/2003 6:41:31 PM PDT by David
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To: David
"Problem is Plato said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules"--i.e. outside the straits of Gibralter. "

No-one knows for sure where the Pillars Of Hercules are.

21 posted on 09/27/2003 6:46:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: RightWhale

Discovery Of Atlantis

22 posted on 09/27/2003 6:57:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
First he says: "It's only a mile down in calm, warm waters".

Then he says: "Mummified in the cold waters of the deep sea, frozen in time".

Okay ... is it "warm" or is it "frozen"?
23 posted on 09/27/2003 7:19:08 PM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust)
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To: blam
A volume that belongs in every Atlantis library? Can't argue with that.
24 posted on 09/27/2003 7:20:06 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: NotQuiteCricket
Read later.
25 posted on 09/27/2003 7:21:55 PM PDT by NotQuiteCricket (http://christyrambles.blogspot.com)
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To: PatrickHenry; a_Turk
So does Atlantiss belong to Turkey, or Greece?
26 posted on 09/27/2003 7:23:35 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: KantianBurke
Melkor says 'hey' ;)
27 posted on 09/27/2003 7:51:04 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: David; blam
There is a school of thought that suggests that Atlantis was not just an island, but a civilization that streched from the Gulf of Mexico to the Mediterranean, with each of its major cities following the same civic plan.
28 posted on 09/27/2003 7:51:15 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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To: blam
""We are Atlantis, we are the oldest civilisation, we are the Garden of Eden." I placed Eden in a somewhat different location in my latest novel, after careful consideration of the 'evidences' such as river beds, etc. What fun it is to speculate!
29 posted on 09/27/2003 7:59:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the heads up!
30 posted on 09/27/2003 8:17:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: blam
Looking at your map makes a better case for the Azores being the site of Atlantis proper.
31 posted on 09/27/2003 8:40:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Search For 'Lost" Atlantis Centers On Strait Of Gilbralter
32 posted on 09/27/2003 9:29:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: rightofrush
"There is a school of thought that suggests that Atlantis was not just an island, but a civilization that streched from the Gulf of Mexico to the Mediterranean, with each of its major cities following the same civic plan."

I like that one. It is close to my 'present' favorite.

33 posted on 09/27/2003 9:31:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Hi Blam

I just wanted to post this Cypriot vessel artifact that was made in around 530 BC. Looks they new more about Atlantis than we do, when you consider the concentric circles on the vessel paralells with the concentric circles that surrounded the sacred hill that Platos speaks of.

http://www.starcomone.com/urantians/images/vase.jpg

I thought it was interesting that the concentric circle symbology exists throughout the world. Can be traced from Korea to 9,ooo Armenian petroglyphs. Also circles can be found in Blolivia and Hawaii.

I think Robert Sarmast has a good case about the CyprusAtlantis theory. I think warrants further investigation to see if there is more truth that we can uncover and paralell.

Regards

dj

34 posted on 09/28/2003 4:41:32 AM PDT by star777
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To: blam
"What we have here is a whole city, an ancient civilisation, megalithic sites packed full of artefacts. We can expect to find colossal buildings, bridges, roads, canals and stone temples.

Seems to me that if there is a city down there, it needs to be investigated - whether it is Atlantis or not.

35 posted on 09/28/2003 9:08:28 AM PDT by gore3000 (Knowledge is the antidote to evolution.)
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To: gore3000
"Seems to me that if there is a city down there, it needs to be investigated - whether it is Atlantis or not."

The mainstream archaeologists don't seem to be giving this much attention and in fact, Mr Sarmast himself says,"We can expect to find colossal buildings, bridges, roads, canals and stone temples." I don't think he has found anything but geological features on the ocean bed so far. None-the-less, I'm hopeful.

All the shifting of the weight from the water would have caused large earthquakes and probably volcanos too.

36 posted on 09/28/2003 9:24:41 AM PDT by blam
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To: SuziQ
"Homeschooling bump!! We're fixing to start Ancient History, so this is VEY timely!"

You may like this one too.

37 posted on 09/28/2003 9:53:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: David
Problem is Plato said Atlantis was "beyond the Pillars of Hercules"--i.e. outside the straits of Gibralter. So all these theories about a Mediterranean location for Atlantis flunk that test.

although the Straights of Gibraltor are referred to as the Pillars of Hercules, there are also several sites in the eastern Med that are similarly named. Plato's Egyptian sources are far more likely to be referring to one of those sites than the Straights, as they dealt with them far more frequently.

I personally hold with the theory that Atlantis was the volcanic island of Thera (modern Greek island of Santorini), fairly near to Cyprus. Several analysts have pointed out that the Egyptian "900" was often mis-translated in Greek as 9,000, which is how many years back (from his time) Plato placed the events of the destruction of Atlantis. If we look at 900 years instead of 9,000 they end up with the approximate date of the massive explosion of the island of Thera (bigger than Krakatoa or Mt St Helens, by a long shot). Prior to its destruction it would have had the appropriate physical characteristics to match Atlantis. At least the physical location descriptions would match close enough with Crete to satisfy the same "criteria" sited by the author to support the notion of the nearby Cyprus. This theory also accounts for the destruction of the Minoan (Crete) culture at around the same time. some even hold that it coincides with the "pillar of fire" and the parting of the Red Sea from Exodus. Certainly it was a big event, but to be recorded in such disparate sources does cause me some problems.

The big problem I have with this guys theory is that, so far as I've been able to find out, the breaching of the dam (represented at one end by the Rock of Gibralter) between the Atlantic and the Med happened around 65 million years ago. I don't think there were too many human civalizations, high or low, around that time. It certainly doesn't jibe with Platos account of 9,000 years either, though factoring in ice ages may fix that problem, though not with the "dam breach," but with the sea level changes, as suggested by another poster.

38 posted on 09/28/2003 10:25:20 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok
"This theory also accounts for the destruction of the Minoan (Crete) culture at around the same time. some even hold that it coincides with the "pillar of fire" and the parting of the Red Sea from Exodus. Certainly it was a big event, but to be recorded in such disparate sources does cause me some problems. "

The Thera/Santorini explosion has been dated to 1628BC, that's why I argue for an earlier date for the Exodus. Charred grain under the crumpled wall of Jerico are just on top of the Santorini ash layer. The Santorini volcano was a worldwide event as it is recorded worldwide by tree rings...as well as the Ice Cores.

39 posted on 09/28/2003 12:50:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: Phsstpok
"The big problem I have with this guys theory is that, so far as I've been able to find out, the breaching of the dam (represented at one end by the Rock of Gibralter) between the Atlantic and the Med happened around 65 million years ago. "

The Mediterranean completely dried out 4-5 million years ago which would necessitate that the passage at Gilbralter was blocked at that time.

40 posted on 09/28/2003 12:53:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Whilst everyone is quick to pass the almighty judgement. How about reading the book and make a good judgement.

Lets face it no one has got hard evidence on Atlantis. All theories are just theories and thats all. That why I reckon the so called experts are worried and quick to judge and refute this guy without reading the book becuase he might be just right.

The so called experts have no solid evidence, not even a credible location. that you could determine with other independent sources.

Ive seen what the ruckus is all about. I can honestly say that the author has done something that nobody else has achieved. Maybe becuase he thinks lateraly and is open minded to many sources. Who knows.

I say go for Cyprus and uncover what is there. Well at least check out the idea.

Hey, maybe the author is being guided by The Gods of Atlantis to bring about a whole new ball game on this ridiculous planet through knowledge and discovery. Maybe there is something more underlying than just Plato?? About time to bring conclusion to this mystery. I say the planet sure needs something uplifting rather than all this contrived negativity, skeptism and opinions which are flimsy at best particulary when they have even read the book.

I think there is alot, alot more to this that meets the eye.

The Gods I reckon left a sign , a very large sign post that will be hard to refute with counter evidence, even though they will try to save themselves. I have to laugh.

regards

all



41 posted on 09/28/2003 2:15:26 PM PDT by star777
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To: blam
The Mediterranean completely dried out 4-5 million years ago which would necessitate that the passage at Gilbralter was blocked at that time.

correct, but that was a matter of lowered and then raised sea level, not a "breach" of the "dam" between Gibralter and north Africa as occured 65 million years ago. The postulated civilization destroyed by rising sea water may have occured as this author states, but it would be the result of the gradual rising of sea level brought about by the gradual melting of ice age glaciers, not the sudden event of the breach of the dam between the Med and Atlantic. That messes up this scenario as representing the "facts" in the Atlantis legend.

The breach event is apparently well established, geologically, with increcdible force being exerted to scour the floor of the Med by the jet of water from the breach. Some say the noise would have carried half way around the world. 65 million years ago who would have noticed? T Rex?

42 posted on 09/28/2003 2:40:36 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: blam

"Great, just great! Now, we are going have tourists all over the place..."

43 posted on 09/28/2003 2:47:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: AngrySpud
I believe what he meant was the titanic went down in freezing waters. That area is mostly rough seas while the other is calm and warm topwater although down deep the water will be cold of course.
44 posted on 09/28/2003 2:58:11 PM PDT by winodog
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To: blam
Finally I can cash in my Atlantian Dinars - when does the bank open?
45 posted on 09/28/2003 3:04:10 PM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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To: blam
To be sure I understand (as I haven't got the dates in my mind)

Charred grain under the crumpled wall of Jerico are just on top of the Santorini ash layer.

means that Thera/Santorini happened before Jericho but after/contemporary with Exodus? Your post indicates that would put Exodus at an earlier date than generally assumed (not sure what that generally assumed date is)? Is 1628 BC before the generally accepted dates for Exodus? I'm just not that conversant with the accepted dates.

46 posted on 09/28/2003 3:07:12 PM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok
"Is 1628 BC before the generally accepted dates for Exodus? "

Yes, see below

"The early date is usually placed in the middle 15th century around 1440 BC, while the late date is usually assigned to the close of the 13th century around 1290 BC. The early date relies most heavily on two specific biblical passages understood literally, while the late date relies on a more general view of the nature of Scripture combined with archaeological evidence. "

47 posted on 09/28/2003 3:51:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: Phsstpok
The below linked article will give you a sense of what I'm talking about regarding the Mediterranean. Although my qouted source is much newer, I cannot find it on the internet. Some say that during the Ice Age when the Mediterranean was much, much lower that the Nile Valley would have looked like the Grand Canyon of today.

The Mediterranean desert

48 posted on 09/28/2003 4:04:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Bump
49 posted on 09/28/2003 6:50:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: muawiyah
Care to add your two cents?
50 posted on 09/28/2003 8:04:11 PM PDT by blam
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