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Putin almost defied Bush
The Washington Times ^ | 9/28/03 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 09/27/2003 11:24:10 PM PDT by MJY1288

Bill Sammon
Washington Times

Russia might have opposed the U.S.-led war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan if Russian President Vladimir Putin had not developed a strong personal relationship with President Bush, Mr. Putin said yesterday.

Mr. Putin made the revelation in a news conference at which the Russian leader also withheld Russian support for postwar Iraq until the United Nations passes a resolution on the matter.

"I have never said this in public; I'm going to do it today," Mr. Putin announced as he stood next to Mr. Bush at Camp David. "When counterterrorist operations began in Afghanistan, we were approached by people through several channels ... who intended to fight against Americans in Afghanistan. "And if, by that time, President Bush and I had not formed [an] appropriate relationship, as we have, ... no one knows what turn would the developments in Afghanistan [have] taken," said the Russian leader, speaking through a translator.

A former colonel in the KGB, the former Soviet secret police and intelligence agency, Mr. Putin did not identify the people who intended to fight the U.S. forces, nor did he explain exactly what they wanted from Russia or whether Moscow took action to stop them. However, of his friendship with Mr. Bush, he said: "It helped, to a great extent, to achieve further results that we have achieved in Afghanistan, and was for a very good purpose."

Mr. Bush did not respond to this cryptic disclosure at the news conference, although he again lauded the Russian leader's trustworthiness. "I like him," Mr. Bush said. "He's a good fellow to spend quality time with." Mr. Putin's revelation about his level of closeness to Mr. Bush sheds new light on the bond that developed between the two leaders before the September 11, 2001, attacks. After their first meeting in June of that year, Mr. Bush was widely derided as naive for gushing about the former Soviet spy. "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy," Mr. Bush said during a joint news conference with Mr. Putin at the time. "I was able to get a sense of his soul."

The two men's friendship has not prevented them from having significant policy disagreements on such issues as Iraq and Iran, both of which they discussed during their two-day summit, which ended yesterday. On Iran, Mr. Putin denied U.S. accusations that Moscow is helping Tehran develop nuclear weapons. "Russia has no desire and no plans to contribute in any way to the creation of weapons of mass destruction, either in Iran or any other spot, region in the world," he said. "We comply firmly with the provisions of the [nuclear] Nonproliferation Treaty, because this course is in our national interest."

Russia insists that its $800 million deal to build a nuclear power plant in Iran will result only in the generation of electricity, not nuclear weapons. Still, Mr. Bush appears to have convinced his Russian counterpart at least to call on Iran to comply with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). "It is our conviction that we shall now give a clear but respectful signal to Iran about the necessity to continue and expand its cooperation with IAEA," Mr. Putin said. "We firmly agree," Mr. Bush said. "We need to work together to convince Iran to abandon any ambitions she may have, ambitions toward the development of a nuclear weapon."

The two leaders issued similar statements on North Korea, which is openly flouting international nonproliferation agreements in order to develop nuclear weapons. However, Mr. Putin also said Pyongyang should be rewarded if it halts its nuclear programs. "Russia believes that ensuring a nuclear nonproliferation regime should be accompanied by extending to North Korea guarantees in the sphere of security," he said. Mr. Bush did not call for such guarantees. "We strongly urge North Korea to completely, verifiably and irreversibly end its nuclear programs," he said. "We're seeking to intensify our missile defense cooperation because both of our countries are threatened by outlaw regimes to be armed with deadly weapons."

Moscow initially opposed Mr. Bush's unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, which allowed the United States to proceed with deployment of a missile defense shield. Although Democrats warned the withdrawal would spark a new arms race, both sides ended up signing a treaty to slash their nuclear arsenals by two-thirds. "Its implementation, in our assessment, is going successfully," Mr. Putin said yesterday of the Moscow Treaty on arms cuts. One of the most pressing topics of the summit was Iraq, for which Mr. Bush is seeking international troops and money to supplement tightly stretched U.S. resources.

Mr. Putin, who opposed the Iraq war, stopped short of making any specific promises on what he called "our possible participation" in postwar Iraq. "In the normalization of life in Iraq, Russia is interested in seeing it occurring as soon as possible," he said. "The degree and the extent and the level of Russia's participation in the restoration of Iraq will be determined after we know the parameters of the resolution, of the new resolution on Iraq."

Mr. Bush is trying to get such a resolution passed by the U.N. Security Council, which would clear the way for nations such as India, Turkey and Bangladesh to deploy troops to Iraq. "I recognize that some countries are inhibited from participation because of the lack of a U.N. resolution," Mr. Bush said. "We are working to get a satisfactory resolution out of the U.N. We spent some time discussing that today."

Although Mr. Bush used to chide Russia for cracking down on separatists in Chechnya, he has been more sympathetic to Mr. Putin since the Russian leader joined the U.S.-led war against terrorism. Yesterday, Mr. Bush straddled the issue by simultaneously speaking out against human rights abuses by Moscow and terrorism by separatists. "No cause justifies terror," he said. "Terrorists must be opposed wherever they spread chaos and destruction, including Chechnya. A lasting solution to that conflict will require an end to terror, respect for human rights and a political settlement that leads to free and fair elections."

Mr. Putin sought to discourage perceptions that his support of the U.S. war on terrorism might be linked to Mr. Bush's taking a softer line on Chechnya. "Our partnership is not subject to political deal-making," the Russian leader said. "We wish to be guided by these strategic interests of our two countries, without excessive emotions or ambitions."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; aftermathanalysis; ally; billsammon; bush43; campdavid; oef; putin; rebuildingiraq
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1 posted on 09/27/2003 11:24:11 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
I KNEW they would post the quote about looking into his eyes. Score one for W, IMO.
2 posted on 09/27/2003 11:26:10 PM PDT by lawgirl (All that and a bag of chips.)
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To: lawgirl
Yup, the media always tries to make fun of Bush for that statement, But it's funny how they never say much about how Putin is always the one making the concessions
3 posted on 09/27/2003 11:33:05 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: MJY1288
It sounds like Putin is trying to take some credit for "allowing" the US to defeat the Taliban so quickly. Bush wisely allowed him to take whatever credit he wanted. All Bush cares about are results. He doesn't seem to care about taking credit.
4 posted on 09/27/2003 11:44:34 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: MJY1288
W's Foreign policy has been A+
5 posted on 09/27/2003 11:47:33 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: MJY1288
"And if, by that time, President Bush and I had not formed [an] appropriate relationship, as we have, ... no one knows what turn would the developments in Afghanistan [have] taken," said the Russian leader, speaking through a translator.

I think the USA and Russia are natural allies in the war on Islamic Terrorism, and should work together. That being said, I think Putin is flattering himself. What makes him think that Russia, nowhere near as potent as they were when they themselves engaged Afghanistan, would be an obstacle to US in 2003?

Sorry, Pooty-Poot, this is bar-room bluster.

6 posted on 09/27/2003 11:48:56 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: MJY1288
Putin cannot be trusted. He is a KGB/NKVD?Checkist murderer. Bush is a fool to believe this guy.
7 posted on 09/27/2003 11:49:14 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: MJY1288
Who do you think it was that approached the Russian's about Afghanistan?
8 posted on 09/27/2003 11:51:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: Burkeman1
The facts show that Bush hasn't trusted him, He's sidelined him
9 posted on 09/27/2003 11:55:18 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: Burkeman1
((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))

If you see ten troubles comin down the road, eleven will run into Burkeman1 before they reach you.

10 posted on 09/27/2003 11:55:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: blam
I don't believe anyone did, I think Putin was just ruffling his feathers a bit. It makes no sense why anyone would approach Putin to fight us in Afghanistan, Nobody on this planet would even consider confronting us just one month after 9/11.

By 9/12/01 the whole world knew we were gonna attack Afghanistan

11 posted on 09/28/2003 12:00:45 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: MJY1288
I hope your right!
12 posted on 09/28/2003 12:01:51 AM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: woofie
LOL, that should read..... "If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Burkeman1 will be running from them all"
13 posted on 09/28/2003 12:02:46 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: blam
Probably bill clinton.
14 posted on 09/28/2003 12:13:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MJY1288
I don't run from anything. What do you mean by that post?
15 posted on 09/28/2003 12:23:19 AM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: MJY1288
Putin's help made all the difference. He immediately opened Russian airspace and territory to us, which is more than anyone else did. Remember Germany threatening not to let us use our German bases. Remember how we had to schmooze Pakistan to get overflight rights. Piece by piece we were able to put together the help we needed from the countries we needed, but Russia's help was a given from the first day.

It didn't have to be so. Remember that Iraq has been a Russian client state since the Soviet days, and all of the non-Saudi mideast terrorist gangs started as Soviet clients. So had their primary interest been in thwarting us, they well could have made life difficult. They made a conscious decision to turn their back on their old allies.

That made a huge difference in our dealings with the 'stans, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan primarily. We could not have gotten in there without Russian complicity, and we could not have supplied them without Russia's permission. So had they wanted to make life difficult, as did our EU pals, and our arab pals, or had they wanted to exact some kind of payback for their Afghan war, our Afghan war would have been much much more difficult.

This does not make them saints, especially given their behavior in Iraq, but it puts things in perspective.
16 posted on 09/28/2003 12:25:11 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
I agree 100%, and I remember very well the help Russia gave us in Afghanistan. That's why I said Putin was just ruffling his feathers a bit, and giving the reporters something to chew on.

As soon as I heard Putin say thet he was approached by some that wanted him to send forces into Afghanistan to fight us, I knew he was just talking sh*t. Putin understands that the Cold War is over and that his country will be much better off as our friend than our foe.

Putin is no dummy and neither is Dubya, the days of Arms races are over and they both know it

17 posted on 09/28/2003 12:36:12 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: woofie
LOL ... Burkeman 1 is a long time disruptor here. I was suprised to see he was still here.

Nam Vet

18 posted on 09/28/2003 12:39:08 AM PDT by Nam Vet (It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.)
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To: Burkeman1
Your anti-war comments in the past and your Neville Chamberlain appeasement approach to foriegn policy is why..... Liberals like yourself, have much difficulty grasping the fact that we are involved in a war against terrorism and those Nations who support them.

Your posting history looks like it could have been posted by Ted Kennedy

19 posted on 09/28/2003 12:48:50 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Who Would the Terrorist Vote For ??????)
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To: Nam Vet
I am sorry- did I upset you when I opposed Clark's Kosovo war or Clintons other wag the dog war?. Sorry that I actually use the same standards that I judged Clinton with that I judge Bush with. Longtime Disuptor? I have essay awards on this site. I have never seen your screen name at all.
20 posted on 09/28/2003 12:48:59 AM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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