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After 10-year surge, EE salaries level off at $89k (EE Salary Survey)
EE Times ^ | August 28, 2003 | EE Times Staff

Posted on 09/28/2003 10:40:37 AM PDT by nwrep

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Indeed, some 46 percent of our U.S. EE sample collected bonuses last year, averaging about $6,000. By comparison, in 2000, 62 percent of our sample got bonuses. That's a drop of 16 percentage points in just three years, illustrating that bonuses hinge on the company's performance and are not to be depended on

A lot of the major A/E consortiums (AECOM, Tetra Tech, etc) have stopped paying bonuses, regardless of how well they are doing.

After 20 years in the engineering field, I have gone over to the General Contracting side, where bonuses and substantial salary increases are not dirty words.

The engineering field, at least as related to the MEP engineers designing buildings, has been prostituted to the degree that I wouldn't recommend it to college bound students.

They are better off getting a degree in Construction Management.

61 posted on 09/28/2003 3:45:15 PM PDT by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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Recent Trends in Wages, Incomes, and Wealth in the United States
D R A F T

John Schmitt, Lawrence Mishel, and Jared Bernstein

Paper prepared for panel on "Trends in Economic Well-being in North America, Canadian Economic Association Meetings, Ottawa, May 31, 1998


I. Introduction

This paper reviews recent evidence on the level and distribution of wages, income, and wealth in the United States. The principal focus is on how these three measures of economic well-being have changed over the current business-cycle recovery.

The principal findings for the 1990s are:

    • Wage inequality increased between 1989 and 1997, but at a slower pace than it did between 1979 and 1989.
    • Increases in the federal minimum wage in 1990, 1991, 1996, and 1997, and low unemployment, especially in 1997, seem to have played an important role in retarding and eventually reversing the long-standing decline in wages for workers at bottom of the wage distribution.
    • At the median and at the 90th percentile, wage growth was slower in 1989-97 than it was in 1979-89.
    • Over the period 1989-97, even those workers at the 90th percentile and those with a four-year college degree saw their wages, on average, lag behind growth in average economy-wide productivity.
    • Family income inequality grew sharply between 1989 and 1996, with the Gini coefficient rising from 0.401 to 0.425.
    • Over the 1989-96 period, family incomes were flat or falling in real terms for the bottom four quintiles of the family-income distribution; the share of the bottom four quintiles in total family income fell 2.2 percentage points.
    • Between 1989 and 1996, the share of persons in poverty increased from 12.8% to 13.7%.
    • Household wealth inequality rose significantly between 1989 and 1997, driven in part by the bouyant U.S. stock market.
    • While direct and indirect stock holdings have become much more widely distributed, the value of stock holdings for the vast majority is relatively small. The middle quintile of the wealth distribution, for example, owned about $7,500 in stock in all forms in 1997; the bottom 40% held an average of about $1,500
II. The Data We employ three main sources of data. For hourly wages, we use on the Current Population Survey’s (CPS) Outgoing Rotation Group (ORG) for the years 1979-97. This is a one-quarter sample of the full CPS, which surveys about 55,000 households. Prior to 1979, we draw comparable wage data from the May CPS, which contains questions about wages and salaries at the respondent’s current job. Our sample includes all wage and salary workers ages 18 to 64. 1 For annual family income, we report results of the Bureau of Census’s analyses of the March CPS, which asks respondents detailed questions about their earnings in the preceding calendar year. Due to lags in the analysis and release of these data, the most recently available family-income data are for 1996. For wealth, we rely on analyses of the Survey of Consumer Finance (SCF) conducted by Ed Wolff (1998a, 1998b). The SCF is an irregular, detailed, survey conducted by the Federal Reserve Bank of households’ financial assets and liabilities. The most recent survey covers 1995, but Wolff (1998b) has used the 1995 SCF data and more recent data from other sources to produce projections of the basic distribution through 1997.

We have converted all nominal values to real 1997 dollars using the CPI-U-X1 series. The CPI-U-X1 corrects the official CPI for problems in house prices prior to 1982. Since the Bureau of Labor Statistics has not produced a CPI-U-X1 series prior to 1967, we deflate earlier years using a series created by chaining the pre-1967 CPI to CPI-U-X1.

III. Wages A. Overall Distribution

Tables 1A, 1B, and 1C summarize developments in the hourly wage distribution between 1973 and 1997. Table 1A shows the real hourly wage in 1997 dollars for the 10th, 50th, and 90th percentile of all wage and salary workers, ages 18 to 64. The data cover the years 1973, 1979, 1989 (all cyclical peaks, defined by low-points in the national unemployment rate) and each year in the 1990s through 1997, a year with a national unemployment rate that is probably close to the lowest level to be achieved in the current business cycle. For the 1980s, the table tells the now-familiar story of declining real wages for workers at the middle and the bottom of the wage distribution. Between 1979 and 1989, real wages of workers at the 10th percentile fell at a 1.6% annualized rate between; at the median, real wages declined an average 0.2% per year over the same period. (The table also demonstrates another, less-widely commented, aspect of the 1980s wage distribution: even at the 90th percentile real wages grew little over the period --from $22.46 per hour in 1979 to $23.46 per hour in 1989, an annualized growth rate of just 0.4% per year.)

Table 1A also shows the year-to-year changes in wages over the decade of the 1990s. The most striking development over the current business-cycle is the reversal of fortune of low-wage workers, with real wages at the 10th percentile rising on average 0.2% per year between 1989 and 1997, up considerably from the 1.6% per year decline for 1979-89. A closer look at the pattern of wage changes suggests that a combination of increases in the federal minimum wage and low unemployment may have helped to boost wages at the bottom. Real wages at the 10th percentile rose in only three of the eight years in 1990s: 1990, 1991, and 1997. These are all years when the federal minimum wage increased (in 1990 from $3.35 per hour to $3.80; in 1991, to $4.25; in 1997, to $.4.75). While the federal minimum wage lies below the 10th percentile wage in all three years, even modest spillover effects could explain the small increases at the 10th percentile. 2 The data for 1997 suggest an independent role for low unemployment in explaining real wage growth at the bottom. In 1990 and 1991, as unemployment increased, real wages at the 10th percentile grew about 1.1% per year; in 1997, as unemployment fell 0.5% to below 5.0%, real wages at the 10th percentile increased at a much faster 3.2% annual rate. 3

A second feature of the 1990s is the worsening performance of real wages at the middle and the top. Between 1989 and 1997, the median real wage fell at twice the rate it did in the 1980s (-0.4% compared to -0.2%). Over the same period, real wage growth at the 90th percentile decelerated from 0.4% to 0.2% per year. At the median, real wages were generally flat through the recession in 1992 and then, perversely, fell continuously over the recovery from 1993 through 1996. In 1997, however, real median wages grew 2.2%. At the 90th percentile, no clear pattern emerges, with real wages rising and falling over much of the period, ending with a 1.5% increase between 1996 and 1997. The deterioration in performance at the middle and the top together with the rise in real wages at the bottom mean that the rise in overall wage inequality has decelerated during the current business cycle, with wage inequality (defined by the 90-10 differential) actually declining between 1994 and 1997.

A final feature of the data in Table 1A is the failure of the vast majority of workers to keep pace with average productivity after 1973. The median hourly wage fell 0.2-0.4% per year after 1973, while average productivity grew at about a 1.0% annual rate (see Appendix Table 1). Even at the 90th percentile, annual wage growth ranged between 0.2-0.4%, still well below the average gain in labor productivity.

Tables 1B and 1C show the same real wage data separately for men and women. These data demonstrate another well-documented pattern: while women’s wages remain below men’s wages at comparable positions in the respective wage distributions, over the last 25 years or so, women’s wages have generally grown more rapidly than those of men. Table 1B demonstrates that men’s wages at the 10th percentile have been following continuously over the business cycles of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. The decline in male wages at the bottom was strongest in the 1980s (-1.3% per year), but the deterioration has continued, albeit at a slower pace, in the 1990s (-0.5% per year). At the median, male wages fell rapidly through both the 1980s (-0.9% per year) and the 1990s (-0.8% per year). Male wages at the 90th percentile were virtually stagnant over the entire 1973-97 period, growing at annualized rate little more than 0.1% per year. For women (see Table 1C), wage developments were generally better. Women at the 10th percentile saw rapid real wage increases in the 1970s (3.6% per year); steep declines (worse than for men at the 10th percentile) in the 1980s (-1.8% per year); and a considerable recovery over the 1990s (0.3% per year). Women’s median wages have risen over the three business cycles, most rapidly in the 1980s (0.6% per year) and much less rapidly in the 1990s (0.1% per year), far outperforming men at the median over the same time periods. Women at the 90th percentile posted the highest wage increases of any group, with a 1.6% per year increase in the 1980s and a 0.8% increase per year in the 1990s.

B. Real Wages By Education Level

Since much of the discussion of rising wage inequality during the 1980s and 1990s has focused on the role of formal education as a proxy for workers’ broader "skill" levels, we present wage data by education level in Tables 2A, 2B, and 2C. Again, much of the story is familiar. Wages for less-educated workers (see Table 2A), whether male (see Table 2B) or female (see Table 2C) have all declined in the 1980s and the 1990s. Discussions of wage trends over the last two decades, however, have not fully addressed another important feature of the data in the tables. The real wage declines extend far beyond those workers with the lowest level of formal education (less-than-high-school-educated workers), who account for about 15% of the total workforce. Real wages have also fallen for the 40% or so of the U.S. workforce with a terminal high school degree and the 20% or so of the workforce with one-to-three years towards a four-year college degree. Even the real wages of workers with a four-year college degree (but no further education) –about a 15% of the workforce— have seen real wage increases at (in the case of women) or below (in the case of men) the average increase in productivity over the period. The only education group that has done consistently well over the last two decades are those with advanced degrees (just over 5% of the workforce). 4

Using the education breakdown, the real wage pattern in the year-to-year data in the 1990s differs somewhat from that in the overall distribution. In the overall distribution, wage increases during the 1990s were largest at the bottom. By education level, where all the average wage levels are well above the 10th percentile wage, wages grew slowest at the bottom of the educational distribution and most quickly at the middle and the top. Even in the boom year of 1997, the real wages of less-than-high-school-educated workers, for example, did not change. Over the same period, real wages increases rose for all better-educated workers (high-school, 1.7%; some college, 2.1%; college, 2.9%; and, college plus, 1.1%).

C. Poverty-Level Wages

Widening wage inequality with stagnant and declining wages, on the one hand, and apparently rapid rates of job creation, 5 on the other, gave rise in the 1990s to the view that the jobs being created in the U.S. economy were of poor quality. In the spring of 1996, the Council of Economic Advisors (1996) entered the debate with an influential study of the quality of job creation between February 1994 and February 1996. Since the U.S. government does not collect data on "new" jobs, 6 the CEA divided respondents to the CPS into about 400 industry-occupation categories. The CEA then calculated the median wage in each industry-occupation category in 1994 as well as the total employment in each category in both 1994 and 1996. The CEA used changes in the estimated total employment in each of the categories over the two-year period to identify where the "new jobs" were being created. The CEA finally compared the 1994-96 job creation data with the 1994 wage data to see whether the net job creation was occuring in high-wage or low-wage industry-occupation categories. The CEA concluded that most of the jobs were being created in industry-occupation categories where the median wage was above the median for the economy as a whole. Another recent study, by Ilg (1997), uses a similar methodology with more recent data to arrive at a similar conclusion.

We have several objections to this approach. First, neither the CEA nor Ilg examined how wages in their categories changed over the same periods that they examine employment changes. An analysis of Ilg’s data, for example, shows that while job growth was indeed strongest in those categories where the median wage was above the national median, the median real wage also fell in every job category, including those that paid above the national median. Second, the approach is at best indirect, since we can never observe new jobs, but only infer, where, on net they are being created. That the median real wage is falling across categories suggests that the new jobs may be below the median for the category and are therefore not necessarily themselves above the national median. Third, the approach focuses too much attention on net job creation, which has averaged only 1.2% per year in the 1990s, rather than on gross job creation, which has probably been about 20 times larger on an annual basis (just slightly higher than gross job destruction). 7 Even if the CEA analysis could clearly demonstrate that the net new jobs being created in the economy were "good jobs", 8 the vast majority of the gross new jobs created could still be of poorer quality than the gross old jobs destroyed. This final point can be taken one step further. In slightly imprecise terms, it is difficult to explain large changes in the wage distribution by concentrating on the 1% or so of new jobs created each year, while ignoring what is happening to the "other 99%" of jobs. Our own view is that the deterioration in the U.S. wage structure since the end of the 1970s is not primarily a function of the quality of new jobs created, on net, since that time. Rather, the principal problem stems from the institutional changes in the labor market that have undermined the bargaining power of workers in the vast majority of "existing jobs".

Given the problems with approaches based on the wage levels of new jobs, and our own concern with what is happening across the entire stock of jobs, we prefer to examine "job quality" using the approach outlined in Table 3. We have converted the wage distributions for 1973, 1979, 1989, and 1997 into real 1997 dollars and then grouped workers in each year into categories based on ratios of the 1997 "poverty-level wage" (the hourly wage rate necessary to earn the federal poverty-level for a family of four if a worker works 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year). The data for men and women together (see panel (a)) show that jobs paying "poverty-level" wages or less jumped markedly between the 1970s (about 23.6%) and 1989 (28.5%). The number of poverty level jobs, however, had not changed much by 1997 (28.6%). Between 1989 and 1997, jobs paying just above the poverty-level wage (100-125%) grew slightly as did those paying 300% or more of the poverty-level wage. This cut of the data suggests that the overall wage distribution is shifting simultaneously toward both lower-paying and higher-paying jobs.

The patterns for men (panel (b)) and women (panel (c)) separately show important differences. Poverty-level jobs for men increase across every business cycle peak from 1973 though 1997. In the 1990s, the share of men holding a job paying below the poverty-level wage grew from 21.2% to 22.5% of male employment. The share earning near-poverty-level wages (100-125%) also increased. At the same time, the share of men earning 200-300% and 300% or more of the poverty-level wage fell a combined 3.6 percentage points.

While many more women than men earned poverty level wages in 1997 (35.3% of women compared to 22.5% of men), the share of women earning low-wages fell over the 1990s business cycle, as did the share earning near-poverty-level wages. Over the same period, women also saw a 1.8 percentage-point rise in the share earning 300% or more of the poverty-level wage. The gains for women in the 1990s, however, are mixed compared to the 1980s. The increase in the share of women earning high wages was much more rapid in the 1980s than in the 1990s. At the same time, the 1990s saw some improvement in the composition within the lowest-paid categories, after a dramatic increase in the 1980s in the share of women in the lowest wage category (0-75% of the poverty-level wage).

IV. Incomes A. Overall Distribution

The distribution of family income in the United States grew more equal between 1947 and 1973. Table 4 demonstrates that between 1947 and 1967, the share of family income going to each quintile grew for the bottom four quintiles and declined for the top quintile. Meanwhile, the Gini coefficient fell from 0.376 to 0.358. The data in Table 5, which looks at the annual income of families at the 20th, 40th, 60th, 80th, and 95th percentiles, show that, across the board, family-income growth was strong, but skewed slightly in favor of less well-off families in the 1947-67 period. Annual growth rates in family income, for example varied from 2.8-2.9% for the 20th and 40th percentile families to 2.5% for the 95th percentile family. Between 1967 and 1973, family income continued to grow rapidly (between 2.2% and 3.0% per year), but families at the bottom experienced the slowest growth.

After 1973, growth in family income decelerated and grew more unequal. The share of the bottom two quintiles in the total family income fell over the 1973-79, 1979-89, and 1989-96 cycles; the share of the bottom four quintiles declined in 1979-89 and 1989-96. The 1990s produced what is arguably the worst family income figures for the postwar period. Between 1989 and 1996, real family incomes fell at the 20th, 40th, and 60th percentile; were flat at the 80th percentile; and grew at just a 0.3% annual rate at the 95th percentile. Over the same period, the annual growth rate in average income (0.3%) was the slowest in any postwar business cycle. The income share of each of the bottom four fifths of families declined, while the share of the top fifth in total income grew 2.2 percentage points. The year-to-year numbers for the 1990s show the typical cyclical pattern in family income. At the 20th, 40th, and 60th percentiles, family incomes fall through 1993 and then recover continuously through 1996. Growth rates at these same percentiles, however, are actually slower in 1996 than they were in 1995. At the 80th and 95th percentiles, real income hits bottom earlier (1991 for the 95th percentile, 1992 for the 80th) and recovers more strongly through the rest of the cycle.

B. Poverty Rate

One important aspect of the income distribution is the share of persons living in poverty. Table 6 reports the poverty rates for selected years between 1967 and 1996 according to two definitions of poverty. The first definition is the official U.S. government poverty rate, which is based on a minimum consumption basket established in the 1960s. The second definition is based on a relative poverty measure that is more typical for international comparisons. According to the official definition, poverty dropped sharply between 1967 and 1973 and then grew continuously over the business cycle peaks in 1979, 1989, and 1996. The cyclical pattern of poverty rates is obvious in the yearly data for the 1990s. Poverty grows uninterruptedly between the cyclical peak in 1989 through the cyclical trough in 1992 and even into the "jobless recovery" in 1994. Poverty then fell in 1995 and by a smaller amount in 1996.

Table 6 also allows us to compare the official poverty rate with a common alternative definition based on relative incomes. Using the broadest measure of relative poverty --the share in families receiving less than half of the median income-- the poverty rate increases substantially between 1973 and 1979 and again between 1979 and 1989, but changes little over the decade of the 1990s. The broad definition puts about 22% of the population in poverty in the 1990s, above the 13-15% official rate over the same years. A narrower definition --those receiving less than one-fourth of the national median increases significantly between 1979 and 1989 (from 6.7% to 8.3%), and then by a smaller amount between 1989 and 1996 (from 8.3% to 8.6%).

V. Wealth A. Overall Distribution

Unfortunately, the Survey of Consumer Finance, which is the underlying source of the wealth data in Tables 8 and 9, is not an annual survey. We therefore cannot report the distributions for the peak years as in previous tables. Instead, we will concentrate on general characteristics of the distribution and how the distribution changed between 1989 and 1997 (using Wolff’s projections for the latter year).

Table 7 demonstrates that the wealth distribution is more unequal than either the wage or income distribution. The share of wealth held by the top quintile has been above 80% in every survey year since 1962, with the share increasing slightly in each survey. Even within the top quintile, wealth is heavily concentrated in the top one percent of the full distribution, which controls more than one-third of all wealth.

Table 8, panel (d), attaches dollar figures to the share figures in Table 7. In 1997, the estimated average net worth (assets minus liabilities) of the top one percent of households was about $9.5 million compared to about $53,400 in the middle quintile, and to just $3,100 among the least wealthy 40% of households. Between 1989 and 1997, net worth for the top one percent grew by almost $1 million; declined about $1,600 in the middle quintile; and grew about $6,900 for the bottom 40% (from a negative net worth of -$3,800 to a positive net worth of $3,100).

B. Stock Market Boom

Table 8 also demonstrates the impact of the recent stock market boom on the overall wealth distribution. Panel (a) shows the gross value of direct and indirect stock holdings across the household wealth distribution. Between 1989 and 1997, the value of stock held by the top one percent of households rose $1.2 million, from about $1.1 million to about $2.3 million. In dollar terms, the level and growth in stock holdings were much smaller for the bottom 80% of households. The average stock holdings in the fourth quintile (from the 61st to the 80th percentile), for example, grew from $8,300 in 1989 to $18,600 in 1997. For households in the middle quintile, average stock holdings grew from $3,500 to $7,500. Households in the bottom 40% of the wealth distribution saw their holdings more than double – from about $600 to $1,500.

VI. Conclusions The current business cycle has enjoyed both relatively low unemployment and low inflation rates. By 1997, low unemployment, in combination with four increases in the federal minimum wage, appears to have helped to reverse part of the long-term decline in real hourly wages for workers at the 10th percentile of the wage distribution. The improved prospects for low-wage workers, together with a deterioration in wage growth for workers in the midde and top of the wage distribution, have led to a deceleration in wage inequality in the 1990s compared to the 1980s. Since 1994, overall wage inequality has actually declined.

Nevertheless, large problems remain and some have even grown worse in the 1990s. Wages in the middle and top of the wage distribution have grown more slowly over the current cycle than they did in the 1970s or 1980s. The distribution of family income, at least through 1996, has grown more unequal, with the bottom four fifths of the distribution experiencing stagnant or declining real incomes over the period. Not surprisingly, given the family income trends, the poverty rate rose from 12.8% to 13.7% between 1989 and 1996. Finally, the already highly unequal distribution of wealth grew even more unequal between 1989 and 1997, in part, as a function of a stock market boom, whose benefits are still rather narrowly confined.


Endnotes
 

1 For a complete description of the CPS wage data, see Webster (1997).  

2 The combined 1990-91 increases, for example, raised the minimum wage about 24% in nominal terms. Real wages at the 10th percentile grew about 1.1% in both years. The decline in 10th percentile real wages, despite a rise in the federal minimum wage in 1996, however, argues against the importance of the minimum wage.  

3 A preliminary analysis of CPS ORG wage data for 1998, a year in which unemployment continued to fall, also suggests an important role for unemployment in the determination of wages at the 10th percentile.  

4 Education shares are approximate and refer to 1989. For a more detailed breakdown, see Mishel, Bernstein, and Schmitt (1997), Tables 3.18, 3.19, and 3.20.  

5 Job creation rates over the current business cycle (about 1.2% per year between 1989 and 1997) are slow even by recent historical standards. Job creation rates averaged 1.7% between 1979 and 1989, and 2.5% between 1973 and 1979.  

6 U.S. government employment numbers generally come from two sources: the Current Population Survey, which interviews individuals in noninstitutional households; and the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Establishment Survey, which asks establishments about overall staffing levels.  

7 See Davis, Haltiwanger, and Schuh (1996).  

8 This would involve answering the sticky question about which of the "gross new jobs" were "net new" ones.


 

APPENDIX TABLE 1
Macroeconomic Indicators, 1947-97

Year Unemployment
Rate %
Real GDP (1992$ billions) Nonfarm Labor Productivity (1992=100)
1947 3.9 1,463.4 36.6
1967 3.8 3,147.2 69.2
1973 4.9 3,916.3 80.7
1979 5.8 4,630.6 86.3
1989 5.3 6,062.0 95.7
1990 5.6 6,136.3 96.2
1991 6.8 6,079.4 96.9
1992 7.5 6,244.4 100.0
1993 6.9 6,389.6 100.1
1994 6.1 6,610.7 100.5
1995 5.6 6,742.1 100.7
1996 5.4 6,928.4 102.0
1997* 4.9 7,191.4 103.5
Change Percentage-Point Annualized Percent Change
1947-67 -0.1 3.9 3.2
1967-73 1.1 3.7 2.6
1973-79 0.9 2.8 1.1
1979-89 -0.5 2.7 1.0
1989-97 -0.4 2.2 1.0
*Productivity figure is for the first 3 quarters.
Source: Economic Report of the President (1985, 1998).  

 

TABLE 1A
Real Hourly Wages, All Workers 18-64, 1973-97
(1997 Dollars)

Year Percentile
10th 50th 90th
1973 6.07 11.61 22.22
1979 6.42 11.46 22.46
1989 5.39 11.18 23.46
1990 5.45 11.12 23.48
1991 5.52 11.12 23.49
1992 5.49 11.16 23.07
1993 5.44 11.03 23.33
1994 5.36 10.79 23.64
1995 5.33 10.67 23.54
1996 5.29 10.59 23.54
1997 5.46 10.82 23.90
Annualized Percent Change
1973-79 1.0 -0.2 0.2
1979-89 -1.6 -0.2 0.4
1989-97 0.2 -0.4 0.2
Source: Authors' analysis of CPS ORG data; inflation-adjusted using CPI-U-X1.  

TABLE 1B
Real Hourly Wages, Men 18-64, 1973-97
(1997 Dollars)

Year Percentile
10th 50th 90th
1973 7.16 14.08 25.74
1979 7.07 14.39 25.93
1989 6.17 13.07 26.12
1990 6.05 12.82 26.52
1991 5.91 12.71 26.28
1992 5.79 12.54 26.16
1993 5.72 12.37 26.34
1994 5.67 12.11 26.19
1995 5.78 12.24 26.20
1996 5.81 12.12 25.85
1997 5.92 12.19 26.44
Annualized Percent Change
1973-79 -0.2 0.4 0.1
1979-89 -1.3 -0.9 0.1
1989-97 -0.5 -0.8 0.2
Source: Authors' analysis of CPS ORG data; inflation-adjusted using CPI-U-X1.  

TABLE 1C
Real Hourly Wages, Women 18-64, 1973-97
(1997 Dollars)

Year Percentile
10th 50th 90th
1973 5.05 8.89 16.07
1979 6.13 9.03 16.62
1989 5.02 9.55 19.33
1990 5.05 9.54 19.35
1991 5.13 9.52 19.66
1992 5.20 9.55 20.00
1993 5.20 9.61 20.15
1994 5.14 9.49 20.46
1995 5.10 9.39 20.19
1996 5.07 9.41 20.36
1997 5.15 9.63 20.61
Annualized Percent Change
1973-79 3.6 0.3 0.6
1979-89 -1.8 0.6 1.6
1989-97 0.3 0.1 0.8
Source: Authors' analysis of CPS ORG data; inflation-adjusted using CPI-U-X1.  

TABLE 2A
Real Hourly Wages, By Education* Level, All Workers 18-64, 1973-97
(1997 Dollars)

Year Less Than High School High School Some College College College Plus College/ 
High School
1973 11.22 12.82 14.16 18.60 22.66 1.45
1979 11.15 12.49 13.61 17.43 21.42 1.40
1989 9.38 11.36 13.20 17.88 23.24 1.57
1990            
1991            
1992 8.86 11.07 12.52 18.04 23.03 1.63
1993 8.72 11.02 12.47 17.97 23.22 1.63
1994 8.52 11.10 12.36 18.14 24.17 1.63
1995 8.25 10.90 12.20 18.13 23.90 1.66
1996 8.21 10.84 12.18 17.86 23.80 1.65
1997 8.22 11.02 12.43 18.38 24.07 1.67
Annualized Percent Change
1973-79 -0.1 -0.4 -0.7 -1.0 -0.9  
1979-89 -1.6 -0.9 -0.3 0.3 0.9  
1989-97 -1.5 -0.4 -0.7 0.3 0.4  
*Education levels from 1992-1997 are estimates designed to be consistent with pre-1992 educational coding.

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62 posted on 09/28/2003 3:57:03 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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Don't know about you, but most of the EE's I work with aren't worth $89K.

As long as you mentioned it, I have never met an EE in that salary range. Fact is EE times is a trade rag and they shill for the industry that needs to constanly attract fresh meat into the profession.

63 posted on 09/28/2003 4:06:10 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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Wow, you found a Canadian study that shows real wages dropping for people with little or no education. That's a shocker.

And as for my graph, you fail to comprehend that a negative growth rate would show-up as a negative percentage, which would place that blue line below the horizontal axis (the line that runs from left to right, and vice versa).

64 posted on 09/28/2003 4:42:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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"I don't get it . . . if EE salaries have leveled-off after rising for 10 years, then what about all those H1-B workers that were allegedly driving the salaries down?"

I always thought most of the H1-Bs were in IT, and not engineering. This is a pretty big increase in average salary over the last ten years. It's good work if you can get it.
65 posted on 09/28/2003 4:50:11 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: TopQuark
I basically agree. Sometimes a master's can be gotten in one year plus a summer session making it even a better choice.
66 posted on 09/28/2003 4:52:23 PM PDT by ironman
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To: 1rudeboy
1. In your graph 1960 is the base - it shows that there has been a decline in real wages since the 1970's - please learn how to read.

2. After you finish your remedial reading class refer to table 2A - college graduates suffered a decline in real wages from 1973-97 ($ 18.60 to $ 18.38/hr) - I don't believe that even you would describe college graduates as people with little or no education.

3. Grow up.

67 posted on 09/28/2003 4:56:07 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: SSN558
I work with a number of EEs, and I know none who make that much money. The EEs at my company make the same salary as MEs at the same paygrade. Incidentally, we haven't hired a new EE in 2 years, all the recent entry level engineering slots were allocated to MEs.

I loathed my one required electrical engineering class...I'm happy as a mechanical engineer, although on average I make slightly less than an EE with the same education and work experience.
68 posted on 09/28/2003 4:56:11 PM PDT by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: nwrep
Bump.
69 posted on 09/28/2003 5:03:53 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: sarcasm
Your table 2A shows a real decline of 1% in the wages of college graduates (but no further education) from 1973-1997, but a real increase of 5% for the same group from 1979-1997. I love your technique, though, in order to prove real wages are falling, you simply exclude those groups whose real wages are rising. LOL

And since you persist in mis-reading my graph, let me ask you, since when is a drop in the rate of increase in something considered a drop in something's level? Please, don't ask a Democrat.

70 posted on 09/28/2003 5:12:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
"I don't get it . . . if EE salaries have leveled-off after rising for 10 years, then what about all those H1-B workers that were allegedly driving the salaries down?"

I don't think it's taking place. I checked out some IT salaries from 2001 and they are up from the mid to late 1990's. I have noticed in the last year or so that salaries are still very high even with increased outsourcing and layoffs in IT.

Here is some info. from a fairly recent IT survey:

http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/ca/xml/01/06/25/010625cafeature2.xml

71 posted on 09/28/2003 5:19:43 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: 1rudeboy
1. The only group that showed an increase in real wages from 1973-97 was the college plus group. All other groups showed declines. The real increase from 1989-97 for the college educated did not make up the loss from the prior period. There was a net loss for this group for the entire period.

2. Your graph does not show a drop in the rate of increase - it shows that real wages are lower now than they were in 1973.

3. Grow up.

72 posted on 09/28/2003 5:26:34 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
For many the standard of living has fallen.

It happens. Suck it up.

73 posted on 09/28/2003 5:32:34 PM PDT by ShadowDancer
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
There are EE's and other engineers that do earn that much money and they are the ones that respond to the surveys. They belong in the top 10 percentile. I have found the NSPE salary surveys to be more accurate in this regard.

One thing is for sure. If you live in Silicon Valley on $89k your're sleeping in your car. $89k wouldn't cover rent and food.

74 posted on 09/28/2003 6:12:56 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: nwrep
"...The most important field of the last 50 years..."
- - -
Oh.
Well, if you say so.
75 posted on 09/28/2003 6:33:18 PM PDT by DefCon
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To: Mr. Jeeves
None of the salaries discussed in the article will allow one to achieve a middle class lifestyle in the San Francisco Bay Area.

With the cost of housing in San Jose, the EE salary is way too low. A co-worker moved from the Pittsburgh area to SJ and retained the same salary. A significant increase in cost of living followed :).

76 posted on 09/28/2003 8:50:31 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: oceanview
a technician/mechanic at a high end car dealership like mercedes makes $85K.

True, but your average EE is not slaving away under the hood everyday. I enjoy working on my cars, but not for a living.

My Mercedes mechanic neighbor back in AZ suggested I look into rebuilding transmissions if I wanted to make any money working on vehicles.

77 posted on 09/28/2003 8:52:48 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: sarcasm
"Your graph does not show a drop in the rate of increase - it shows that real wages are lower now than they were in 1973."

Really? Let's take a look at what the author wrote. Again.

Average hourly earnings in private, nonagricultural business increased in real terms by about 16 percent during the past 40 years . . . .

Say, do you have any figures for paraplegics during this period? [hoot]

78 posted on 09/28/2003 10:00:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
The increase from 1960 to about 1972 was approximately 25%, that gain was eroded in the period after 1972 which leaves a net gain of 16% over the full time period. Real wages are now lower than they were in 1972. Perfectly clear if you knew how to read your own graph.
79 posted on 09/29/2003 12:36:33 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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