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1 posted on 09/28/2003 5:06:39 PM PDT by William McKinley
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I come from the "neo" tradition but see myself as a conservative. The neos have helped to remake American conservatism to the point where its a viable, muscular, and winning philosophy to mainstream Americans. Europe and Canada have nothing quite like it. And liberals are flummoxed cause we are ex-Democrats and know how they think. And the ideas we have championed have made America feared and respected abroad and are helping to bring about an American renaissance at home. Three Cheers For American Conservatism!!!
2 posted on 09/28/2003 5:12:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GOPJ; Pharmboy; reformed_democrat; RatherBiased.com; nopardons; Tamsey; Miss Marple; SwatTeam; ...
BBC Media Shenanigans/Anti-Semitism Alert! Search for the paragraph above that begins with "Perhaps the most dramatic effort to expose..."
4 posted on 09/28/2003 5:24:55 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: William McKinley
Hard to wade through the true, not true and opinionation.

But neo conservatism is not denied by the "cabal" listed here. They admit they were social and who knows what else liberals 10+ years ago. Google and news.google search on neocon, neoconservatives, and Rumsfeld plus, say, Feith, esp Perle, Wolf, Andrew Marshall, and a few other combos. This is how I was getting a lot of my news as I sought to understand some background issues re politics in DC.

They are very upfront. Elliot Abrams is part of this and I do not respect him for it, but he is additionally a brilliant writer giving many insights into this all (neocon.)

I only wonder how they grabbed control, if disagreement there (wonders never cease)

then why does the world call their presence (unarguable) controlling. Wish they'd go away myself, or crawl back to the demo worm holes.
5 posted on 09/28/2003 5:27:38 PM PDT by inPhase
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Protocols of the Elders of Neoconservatism.
16 posted on 09/28/2003 5:45:56 PM PDT by ellery
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Elizabeth Drew made a similar point, if more opaquely: Because some . . . of the neoconservatives are Jewish and virtually all are strong supporters of the Likud party's policies, the accusation has been made that their aim to "democratize" the region is driven by their desire to surround Israel with more sympathetic neighbors. Such a view would explain the otherwise puzzling statements by Wolfowitz and others before the [Iraq] war that "the road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad."

Either the author, or Elizabeth Drew, or both, are trying to find a dark conspiracy in what seems to be a pretty sensible and straightforward view of the problems and possble solutions in the middle-east. Surely they do not hold the contrary position - that all of the problems for nearly 1 Billion people spread over millions of square miles is the result of problems affecting a couple of million occupying what could be no more than 100 square miles or so? It is like Davis blaming his problems on U.S. foreign policy in Antigua.

18 posted on 09/28/2003 5:49:10 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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"Over the last months, the term "neoconservative" has been in the air as never before in its 30-year career."

This is largely because the Kultur War is fully engaged and pits the deconstructed Postmodernist Leftists against their arch rivals the Neo-cons.

What might ‘postmodern history’ look like?

* malleability of language and identity, undecideability, reflexivity (not objectivity), multiple voices...

* understanding conditions of judgement, writing, subjectivity without preset schema

* revelling in multiplicity and open-endedness...

http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/online/history300/lect7.html

20 posted on 09/28/2003 5:51:08 PM PDT by Helms ("Nietzsche's critique of ressentiment - the "self-poisoned mind" - fits Islam like a glove")
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24 posted on 09/28/2003 5:53:08 PM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: William McKinley
another distinguishing characteristic is that neoconservatives put greater stock in the political and ideological aspects of conflict

This tells us nothing. Any intelligent strategist, as a result of our lessons in Vietnam, puts great stock in understanding the political and ideological aspects of a conflict. So did McArthur. So have all great strategists. This is hardly a definition of neo-conservatism, unless neo-conservatism means not being stupid.

25 posted on 09/28/2003 5:54:05 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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Paleo-print ping.
39 posted on 09/28/2003 6:04:00 PM PDT by sauropod (I love the women's movement. Especially walking behind it.)
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To: William McKinley
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52 posted on 09/28/2003 6:12:18 PM PDT by rdb3 (One shot is not enough. It takes an uzi to move me.)
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To: William McKinley
Very nice post; thanks.
94 posted on 09/28/2003 7:07:37 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: William McKinley
One could draw a parallel between today's neocons and the War Hawks of 1812 or imperialists of 1898. No one could plausibly maintain that John C.Calhoun or Theodore Roosevelt were Trotskyists or Straussians, but they did take over our foreign policy agenda with consequences that weren't always for the best.

Whether or not critics are right in general about neoconservatism and Trotskyism, they may well have Muravchik's number: his own "neoconservatism" may well be a continuation of his early socialist and revolutionary hopes. Given that he is a former head of the Young People's Socialist League, he is spectacularly ill-placed to refute accusations of radicalism made against neocons. Critics could well argue that he's never let go of his ambition to remake the world.

There's also plenty of room to question Muravchik's feeling that 911 confirmed the validity of neocon theories. It's to be expected that Muravchik would view it in that light, but he doesn't muster evidence to support his view. Force in international probably has been vindicated, if it ever needed to be, but just how, when, and where force should be applied is still a question for debate. Not every use of force will be successful, effective or appropriate.

104 posted on 09/28/2003 7:23:44 PM PDT by x
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bookmark for later reading
230 posted on 09/28/2003 11:27:11 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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