Posted on 09/28/2003 6:08:11 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
Oops. Just got to your post. I don't want to argue with you, but I'm not going to change my position until Dershowitz recants his previous positions and makes it clear that he is leaving the Side of Evil for the Side of Good.
Someone who claims that G-d is "a work in progress" cannot really be said to have a towering intellect.
Well, it looks like I'll be fighting dennis_w and you simultaneously.
"Palaeoconservatives" advocate public chr*stianity, not because they believe chr*stianity is "the true religion" but because it is the traditional "glue" that holds the society together. This utilitarian use of religion is hardly conservative.
Contrary to the "palaeoconservatives" and their leftist soul-mates who march for "indiginous pipples," religion has only ONE legitimate use--to be TRUE. This means that false religions have no use whatsoever and should be rejected. The true religion should be embraced by all (though "palaeoconservatives" frown at the idea of all mankind being descended from one original couple). Oh, and this True Religion is definitely NOT chr*stianity, so how can embracing it publicly solve anything?
The utilitarian view of religion is the curse of our age and, thanks to deists like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, it is the only way religion can be talked about in the United States. WHO CARES HOW "USEFUL" A RELIGION IS IF IT'S NOT TRUE??? Good grief!
Tell my old "friends" over at Liberty Forum and Original Dissent to go boil in hot excrement, btw.
I disagee, Christianity is an intrinsic part of our culture. I'm starting to suspect that you are an eccentric kook too, but at least you appear to have more than a few brain cells to rub together and can amuse me, so I'll cut you a break.
I am a Zionist Conspirator, and have been one all my life, thanks to my Bible-Belt upbringing. I was conservative and pro-Israel long before I had ever dreamed there were such things as "anti-Israel conservatives" (of which I first became aware only after joining the John Birch Society over a quarter of a century ago).
I'm afraid you wouldn't approve of everything I advocate, though (expel the Goyim from 'Eretz Yisra'el, govern it strictly according to Torah, build the Temple, and compel the nations of the world to accept the One True G-d, which "palaeoconservatives" seem to think will cause their daughters to be defiled by Mexicans). Er, how come you "palaeos" hate the Mexicans so much if you're so pro-Catholic, anyway? (I was in the Catholic Church for six years. It's the most liberal institution on earth. I'll take the most illiterate Hardshell Baptist hillbilly over any bishop or "saint" who's ever lived.)
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I think Dershowitz has always been what I would consider sane on Israel. Years ago, he had a column that would run in the Boston Herald; on any other topic, if I could make myself read it, I'd be foaming at the mouth. But his columns on Israel were right on the money.
So frickin' what? Is it true or is it false? Or does such a question not exist in your bizarre little world where "authochthonous peoples" who are completely unrelated to each other create their own religions to "express themselves" and to hold the society together?
I'm starting to suspect that you are an eccentric kook too, but at least you appear to have more than a few brain cells to rub together and can amuse me, so I'll cut you a break.
With good chr*stians like you showing your contempt for Judaeophilic redneck Bible-thumpers, it will surely be only a matter of time before my fellow Bible-Belters come to accept the "original intent" of the Bible (which is so much more important than the US Constitution anyway).
My advice is go back to Original Dissent and talk about how the Pope is the leader of the White Aryan Race in its war against the Mexicans.
Finkelstein would like few things more than sending a fat check to the PLO, as he not so subtly suggested.
And you call yourself a conservative? Maybe democratic underground is more your speed; whoops they don't like Likud policy either, maybe that's why you're here - a one trick pony. Is Israel the be all and end all in your world? Is your idea of conservatism based on this one simple plank?
Hmmm. Those people may hate "Free Republic," but they just can't stay away from it, can they?
They still believe they're entitled to post at any forum that calls itself "conservative" or "anti-Communist" because they know "the real power behind Communism" and they can't help but keep trying to "enlighten" the rest of us.
Of course, since they believe only in subjective, symbolic ethno-cultural "gxds" rather than an objective universal Creator, one cannot help but wonder where they derive their "moral codes." I suspect from the same place that Dershowitz and other liberals get theirs.
Wow. I expected better from you than that, you've disapointed me. Maybe calling you an eccentric kook was harsh, but I had assumed that you were use to that because your ideas seem to be a bit out of the mainstream. If you want to take the ad hominum gambit and dismiss me, well I guess that is your prerogative; I was just expecting something a little better than that from you.
My ideas are out of the mainstream because I believe all problems can by solved (inasmuch as they are solvable) by turning to the True G-d and living by His Laws to the best of our ability. And I do not advocate G-d's Laws for any purely utilitarian reason but because He is G-d. I have only One Reason for opposing homosexuality (and it ain't because it's "radical" or "corrosive of society"). I have only One Reason for supporting Israel (and it ain't because of Churban 'Europa' or any secular notion of "justice"). I have only one reason for drawing my next breath. In fact, I only exist for One Reason.
The thing is, so do you. But you "palaeos" with your concept of a purely utilitarian religion are basically no different from your leftist opponents. True, they believe in changing society with "rationalist blueprints" and you believe in "organic societies" which include the "religion" the society has created to embody its weltanschaung, but neither of you bow before the True G-d (or even give Him a hearing).
At least you must admit that chr*stianity as the "folk religion" of "western European man" is fraught with contradictions. In addition to claiming to be based on the Jewish Bible (and thus opening itself up to disproof by the Jewish Bible) there is the simple fact that the "gxd" you invoke is invoked by many of the peoples with whom you are at war. How many "J*suses" are there? There is one for Western European chr*stendom, one for Eastern Orthodox chr*stendom, one for Oriental chr*stendom, one for Nestorian chr*stendom, one for Armenian chr*stendom, one for Arab chr*stendom, one for Hispanic Catholics (who are theoretically your brethren but obviously are not), one for Irish Catholics, one for Ulster Protestants, one for pro-Israel white Fundamentalists, one for anti-Israel white Fundamentalists, and one for Black Fundamentalists (including an adjunct J*sus for radical Black nationalists). Now while his adaptability as the local, national-cultural and utilitarian "gxd" of all these feuding civilizations may make J*sus quite adept in one sense, it completely destroys any objective meaning he might otherwise have. Of course, if your supreme loyalty is to your "culture" or "race" or "nation" (with your religious loyalty determined solely by that factor) then you are really living your life in vain. Does your Western European chr*stian "gxd" offer you anything beyond the grave, of is he merely the noblest expression of Western Man, in which case he is more dependent on you than you are on him? If the latter, then you share with the liberals an absolutely mystefying idealism, since it is completely groundless.
I got the above impression of "palaeoconservatives," btw, from an article at the League of the South website on "Southern religion," in which the author implied that the purpose of a religion was to bind a society together (he left out the issue of truth of falsity in its entirety) and ignorantly claimed that Southern religion is not puritan or prohibitionist, and implied a non-missionary stance that, if one is not a Calvinist, can only implie that the purpose of a "gxd" is to serve a particular culture. Needless to say, I think such people have about as much in common with the people they seek to manipulate as Jesse Jackson does with COGIC people in the swamps of the Mississippi Delta.
As for insulting you, you quite honestly admitted to calling me a "kook," so I think no further elucidation is necessary there. You obviously came here recently just to cause trouble, so I will do you the favor of ignoring you from here on out.
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