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Was it really a secret that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA? (AWESOME Dirt On Joe Wilson!)
National Review ^ | September 29, 2003 | Clifford D. May

Posted on 09/29/2003 11:52:21 AM PDT by Pubbie

It's the top story in the Washington Post this morning as well as in many other media outlets. Who leaked the fact that the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV worked for the CIA?

What also might be worth asking: "Who didn't know?"

I believe I was the first to publicly question the credibility of Mr. Wilson, a retired diplomat sent to Niger to look into reports that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium for his nuclear-weapons program.

On July 6, Mr. Wilson wrote an op-ed for the New York Times in which he said: "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

On July 11, I wrote a piece for NRO arguing that Mr. Wilson had no basis for that conclusion — and that his political leanings and associations (not disclosed by the Times and others journalists interviewing him) cast serious doubt on his objectivity.

On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

That wasn't news to me. I had been told that — but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.

I chose not to include it (I wrote a second NRO piece on this issue on July 18) because it didn't seem particularly relevant to the question of whether or not Mr. Wilson should be regarded as a disinterested professional who had done a thorough investigation into Saddam's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Africa.

What did appear relevant could easily be found in what the CIA would call "open sources." For example, Mr. Wilson had long been a bitter critic of the current administration, writing in such left-wing publications as The Nation that under President Bush, "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness" and had "imperial ambitions."

What's more, he was affiliated with the pro-Saudi Middle East Institute and he had recently been the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-Left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions and the no-fly zones that protected Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

Mr. Wilson is now saying (on C-SPAN this morning, for example) that he opposed military action in Iraq because he didn't believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he foresaw the possibility of a difficult occupation. In fact, prior to the U.S. invasion, Mr. Wilson told ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat."

Equally, important and also overlooked: Mr. Wilson had no apparent background or skill as an investigator. As Mr. Wilson himself acknowledged, his so-called investigation was nothing more than "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" at the U.S. embassy in Niger. Based on those conversations, he concluded that "it was highly doubtful that any [sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq] had ever taken place."

That's hardly the same as disproving what British intelligence believed — and continues to believe: that Saddam Hussein was actively attempting to purchase uranium from somewhere in Africa. (Whether Saddam succeeded or not isn't the point; were Saddam attempting to make such purchases it would suggest that his nuclear-weapons-development program was active and ongoing.)

For some reason, this background and these questions have been consistently omitted in the Establishment media's reporting on Mr. Wilson and his charges.

There also remains this intriguing question: Was it primarily due to the fact that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA that he received the Niger assignment?

Mr. Wilson has said that his mission came about following a request from Vice President Cheney. But it appears that if Mr. Cheney made the request at all, he made it of the CIA and did not know Mr. Wilson and certainly did not specify that he wanted Mr. Wilson put on the case.

It has to be seen as puzzling that the agency would deal with an inquiry from the White House on a sensitive national-security matter by sending a retired, Bush-bashing diplomat with no investigative experience. Or didn't the CIA bother to look into Mr. Wilson's background?

If that's what passes for tradecraft in Langley, we're in more trouble than any of us have realized.


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The president's critics are lying. Mr. Bush never claimed that Saddam Hussein had purchased uranium from Niger. It is not true — as USA Today reported on page one Friday morning — that "tainted evidence made it into the President's State of the Union address." For the record, here's what President Bush actually said in his SOTU: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Precisely which part of that statement isn't true? The British government did say that it believed Saddam had sought African uranium. Is it possible that the British government was mistaken? Sure. Is it possible that Her Majesty's government came by that belief based on an erroneous American intelligence report about a transaction between Iraq and Niger? Yes — but British Prime Minister Tony Blair and members of his Cabinet say that's not what happened.

They say, according to Britain's liberal Guardian newspaper, that their claim was based on "extra material, separate and independent from that of the US."

I suppose you can make the case that a British-government claim should not have made its way into the president's SOTU without further verification. But why is that the top of the TV news day after day? Why would even the most dyspeptic Bush-basher see in those 16 accurate words of President's Bush's 5,492-word SOTU an opportunity to persuade Americans that there's a scandal in the White House, another Watergate, grounds for impeachment?

Surely, everyone does know by now that Saddam Hussein did have a nuclear-weapons-development program. That program was set back twice: Once by Israeli bombers in 1981, and then a decade later, at the end of the Gulf War when we learned that Saddam's nuclear program was much further along than our intelligence analysts had believed.

As President Bush also said in the SOTU:

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb.

Since Saddam never demonstrated — to the U.S., the U.N., or even to Jacques Chirac — that he had abandoned his nuclear ambitions, one has to conclude that he was still in the market for nuclear materials. And, indeed, many intelligence analysts long believed that he was trying to acquire such material from wherever he could — not just from Niger but also from Gabon, Namibia, Russia, Serbia, and other sources.

Maybe there was no reliable evidence to support the particular intelligence report saying that Saddam had acquired yellowcake (lightly processed uranium ore) from Niger. But the British claim was only that Saddam had sought yellowcake — not that he succeeded in getting a five-pound box Fedexed to his palace on the Tigris.

And is there even one member of the U.S. Congress who would say that it was on the basis of this claim alone that he voted to authorize the president to use military force against Saddam? Is there one such individual anywhere in America?

A big part of the reason this has grown into such a brouhaha is that Joseph C. Wilson IV wrote an op-ed about it in last Sunday's New York Times in which he said: "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

Actually, Wilson has plenty of choices — but no basis for his slanderous allegation. A little background: Mr. Wilson was sent to Niger by the CIA to verify a U.S. intelligence report about the sale of yellowcake — because Vice President Dick Cheney requested it, because Cheney had doubts about the validity of the intelligence report.

Wilson says he spent eight days in Niger "drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people" — hardly what a competent spy, detective, or even reporter would call an in-depth investigation. Nevertheless, let's give Wilson the benefit of the doubt and stipulate that he was correct when he reported back to the CIA that he believed it was "highly doubtful that any such transaction ever took place. "

But, again, because it was "doubtful" that Saddam actually acquired yellowcake from Niger, it does not follow that he never sought it there or elsewhere in Africa, which is all the president suggested based on what the British said — and still say.

And how does Wilson leap from there to the conclusion that Vice President Cheney and his boss "twisted" intelligence to "exaggerate the Iraqi threat"? Wilson hasn't the foggiest idea what other intelligence the president and vice president had access to.

It also would have been useful for the New York Times and others seeking Wilson's words of wisdom to have provided a little background on him. For example:

He was an outspoken opponent of U.S. military intervention in Iraq.

He's an "adjunct scholar" at the Middle East Institute — which advocates for Saudi interests. The March 1, 2002 issue of the Saudi government-weekly Ain-Al Yaqeen lists the MEI as an "Islamic research institutes supported by the Kingdom."

He's a vehement opponent of the Bush administration which, he wrote in the March 3, 2003 edition of the left-wing Nation magazine, has "imperial ambitions." Under President Bush, he added, the world worries that "America has entered one of it periods of historical madness."

He also wrote that "neoconservatives" have "a stranglehold on the foreign policy of the Republican Party." He said that "the new imperialists will not rest until governments that ape our world view are implanted throughout the region, a breathtakingly ambitious undertaking, smacking of hubris in the extreme."

He was recently the keynote speaker for the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a far-left group that opposed not only the U.S. military intervention in Iraq but also the sanctions — and even the no-fly zones that protected hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds and Shias from being slaughtered by Saddam.

And consider this: Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Wilson did believe that Saddam had biological weapons of mass destruction. But he raised that possibility only to argue against toppling Saddam, warning ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat." He added that Saddam also might attempt to take revenge by unleashing "some sort of a biological assault on an American city, not unlike the anthrax, attacks that we had last year."

In other words, Wilson is no disinterested career diplomat — he's a pro-Saudi, leftist partisan with an ax to grind. And too many in the media are helping him and allies grind it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may071803.asp

Two facts bring perspective to bear on what some are now calling Yellowcakegate.

1) Democrats who are serious about national security — e.g. Joe Biden, Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman — all voted in favor of the use of military force in Iraq, and none is saying he now regrets that vote. They should be commended for courage because, as CNN's Bill Schneider has pointed out, they are all feeling intense heat from the far left of their party, a faction that was vehemently opposed to intervention in Iraq and is highly active during this primary season.

2) Everyone who is serious about national security — British intelligence, U.S. intelligence, even Dominique de Villepin — recognizes that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD). He used chemical WMDs against his own people; he admitted to having biological WMDs; and he intended to reconstitute his nuclear WMD program. To do that, uranium was required. Where does a rogue dictator shop for uranium? Impoverished African countries are recommended. The British believe that's why Saddam sent a "trade delegation" to Niger in 1999. That may even explain the forged documents: Apparently, an African official understood that there were Europeans and Americans who would pay good money for documentary evidence that Saddam's trade delegation had successfully completed its mission.

One more pertinent fact: Human Rights Watch estimates there are 300,000 people missing in Iraq. New mass graves containing thousands of bodies are being found virtually every day. It is not a misuse of the English language to say that Saddam himself was a WMD.

None of this should imply that President Bush is beyond criticism — by Democrats or even by those who generally support his policies on fighting terrorists and terrorist masters. None of this should imply that there are no questions that deserve inquiry by members of Congress. Let me start with three:

1) The 16 words in Bush's State of the Union speech were hardly "infamous" as so many journalists have been reporting. (Actually, those who use such adjectives are not reporting — they are editorializing.) But Bush should not have said that the British government "has learned" that Saddam sought uranium from Africa. He should have said that the British government "believes" or "strongly suspects" that Saddam sought uranium in Africa. As far as we know, the evidence on which the British relied isn't certain enough to use a word as conclusive as "learned."

I don't really expect Bush to be a wordsmith. That's hardly his strong suit. But there are wordsmiths on the White House staff, and they deserve to be scolded for their imprecision.

2) Bush has said that the intelligence he's been receiving is "darned good." Distressingly, that is not true. It needs to be candidly acknowledged that since the end of the Cold War our intelligence services have not responded effectively to the threat of jihadist terrorism. For example:

We did not have reliable human-intelligence assets inside Saddam's regime, either before the first chapter of the Gulf War or over the past 13 years leading up to the most recent phase of the conflict. Our intelligence has not been able to discover what Saddam did with his stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. Did he hide them, transfer them, or destroy them? We did not have intelligence assets in the radicalized European mosques where many terrorists were being recruited. In the 1990s, it appears our intelligence analysts didn't grasp how dangerous it was that tens of thousands of terrorists were being trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. (I assume they at least knew that such training was taking place.) Our intelligence experts did not know that even as we were paying North Korea billions of dollars in exchange for not building nuclear weapons, they were building them anyway. President Clinton bombed an aspirin factory in the Sudan based on what was apparently faulty intelligence. President Clinton bombed suspected WMD sites in Iraq — did he hit any? Our intelligence services didn't predict or prevent the attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania or on the USS Cole. Our intelligence services still haven't been able to determine whether those Iraqis implicated in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center were doing so on Saddam's orders, as researcher and former Clinton adviser Laurie Mylroie has long maintained. Our intelligence services failed to respond to increasing terrorist threats from the Middle East and Central Asia by recruiting and training a sufficient number of agents and analysts fluent in such languages as Arabic, Urdu, and Pashtun. Our intelligence didn't predict or prevent 9/11.

I could go on, but you get the point. It is not President Bush's fault that our intelligence-gathering and clandestine capabilities are today insufficient for the challenges of the 21st century, but it is his responsibility to fix the problem. If he believes George Tenet is the man to accomplish that, fine. But it has to get done and the president is responsible for making sure that happens as quickly and effectively as possible. If not, this will be a legitimate issue for the Democratic presidential candidate.

3) What may be the biggest mystery in this melodrama has been missed by all the major media as far as I'm aware. Early in 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney had questions about reports of Saddam buying uranium from Niger. So he asked the Central Intelligence Agency to find out the truth. Consider: Here's a request from the White House on a vital national-security issue. Does the CIA put their top spies on the case? No. Who do they put on the case? No one. Instead, they apparently decided to give the assignment to a diplomat.

I assume they contacted the State Department. Even so, they didn't get the Foreign Service's most talented ambassador, someone with investigative skills and broad experience in nuclear proliferation and related issues. No, the assignment went to a retiree who is far to the left of the Bush administration. Why?

That retiree was Joseph C. Wilson IV, former ambassador to Gabon, and one-time deputy to ambassador April Glaspie in Iraq. (You'll recall she was the U.S. official who reportedly told Saddam: "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait.")

Wilson's investigation, according to his recent New York Times op-ed, consisted of his spending "eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people." He added: "It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction [sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq] had ever taken place."

Wilson's conclusion was probably correct. It's likely that no such transaction occurred — which begs the question of whether Saddam attempted to complete such a transaction, as the British believe and as Bush said in his SOTU.

But let's imagine for just a moment that one of the officials with whom Wilson met had accepted a million-dollar bribe for facilitating the transfer of uranium to Saddam's agents. What is the likelihood that that information would have been disclosed to Wilson over sips of sweet mint tea? Not huge, I'd wager.

When did the vice president learn that this was the manner in which his orders had been carried out? Is there an explanation for such dereliction of duty by CIA and, possibly, by State as well? Was anyone held accountable?

Inquiring minds should want to know.

1 posted on 09/29/2003 11:52:22 AM PDT by Pubbie
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To: Pubbie

Joseph C. Wilson IV

2 posted on 09/29/2003 11:56:19 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: Tom, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: Pubbie
Hmmmmmmmmmm, interesting. Looks like someone's doing some serious CYA, and it ain't Bush or his admin.
3 posted on 09/29/2003 11:59:04 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: Pubbie
Thanks for posting this! This whole deal smells! CIA sending Wilson to investigate -- give me a break! Set-up to trap the Administration by some Clintonites in CIA? More likely!
4 posted on 09/29/2003 11:59:55 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicron Pi Mom too! -- Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Maybe Wilson wanted his wife killed.

Rest assured that if Novak leaked this (as he admits) -- nothing will happen to him.

5 posted on 09/29/2003 12:02:47 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: PhiKapMom
Here's a link to something generated by Chuckie back in July. From Chuckie's letter:

I am writing to request that you launch an immediate criminal investigation into reports that two senior members of the Bush Administration made the identity of an undercover Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operative public.

Sounds like this has been brewing for a while. And if Wilson doesn't know who leaked, how does Chuckie know that it was 2 WH aides?

6 posted on 09/29/2003 12:03:57 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: martin_fierro
Rush just ripped him apart. Wilson intimated that Karl Rove "approved of the leak, and if he didn't, he at least knew". But just before that Wilson had said that HE HAD NO INFORMATION TO LINK KARK ROVE TO THE LEAK.

Rush said that there are a lot of leftover clintonistas in the govt, and Rush believes everybody is going to be surprised and shocked at what this investigation finds out.

Remember .. this is NOT Janet Reno's hide-a-thon kind of group. We now have a serious group of investigators - and I believe what they find will be a whole bunch of people who will end up losing their JOBS over this little fiasco!
7 posted on 09/29/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America - The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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To: Pubbie
Saw that Drudge had this posted too.

Also, from Newsmax and another thread going on this topic, Wilson said on ABC this morning:

that he got "carried away" and made up the Rove allegation out of thin air.

"In one speech I gave out in Seattle not too long ago, I mentioned the name Karl Rove," Wilson told GMA. "I think I was probably carried away by the spirit of the moment."

Wilson then confessed, "I don't have any knowledge that Karl Rove himself was either the leaker or the authorizer of the leak."


Sounds like a Wesley Clark wanna-be!
8 posted on 09/29/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red
"In one speech I gave out in Seattle not too long ago, I mentioned the name Karl Rove," Wilson told GMA. "I think I was probably carried away by the spirit of the moment."

Yeah, Dem events tend to bring out the liar in everyone...

9 posted on 09/29/2003 12:06:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
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To: Republican Red
Here is the link to the story:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991629/posts
10 posted on 09/29/2003 12:07:09 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Pubbie
You might also be interested in why the CIA discounted the Niger story to begin with:

An unsigned CIA memo on Oct. 5 advised that "the CIA had reservations about the British reporting" on Iraq's alleged attempts in Niger, Hadley [No.2 guy on Bush's National Security team] said. A second memo, sent on Oct. 6, elaborated on the CIA's doubts, describing "some weakness in the evidence," such as the fact that Iraq already had a large stock of uranium and probably wouldn't need more, Hadley said.
Source

So the Wilson story really is a moot point if Saddam already had enough uranium and according to the CIA, he did. I can't believe everyone missed this little tidbit.

11 posted on 09/29/2003 12:09:16 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: dirtboy; Diogenesis
Maybe Wilson wanted a funeral-rally for his wife!
12 posted on 09/29/2003 12:09:53 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: CyberAnt
Whoever revealed this classified information on which lives depended -- whether it was Wilson himself, somebody in the administration, or somebody else in government -- committed a major crime.
13 posted on 09/29/2003 12:12:17 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: ravingnutter
I can't believe everyone missed this little tidbit.

Hmmm - we've only witnessed over the last decade eight years of the media ignoring facts to protect the Clintons and fabricating facts to attack Bush, and you can't believe they missed this? That's like being surprised when Hillary wears a black pantsuit... :^)

14 posted on 09/29/2003 12:12:17 PM PDT by dirtboy (CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
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To: Pubbie
Great article full of information correcing LW half truths and outright lies.
15 posted on 09/29/2003 12:13:08 PM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: Pubbie
Check out this link. From the link:

At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure my words.

If Wilson said this...

16 posted on 09/29/2003 12:13:13 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: leadpenny; kristinn
Since you were so interested this A.M., thought I'd ping you.
17 posted on 09/29/2003 12:14:42 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (MrConfettiMan was in the streets while I was still yelling at the TV)
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To: aristeides
Why is Novak getting the kid glove treatment?
18 posted on 09/29/2003 12:14:55 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: mewzilla
Here's another link.

Wilson did say it.

19 posted on 09/29/2003 12:15:08 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Thanks, why don't you post that link on frontpage news, we need to smear this joker as much as possible.
20 posted on 09/29/2003 12:15:24 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: mewzilla
If Wilson said this...

Did some Googleing. Looks like Wilson did say that. Methinks that Wilson is now subject to possible criminal prosecution for making a false charge.

21 posted on 09/29/2003 12:16:12 PM PDT by dirtboy (CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
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To: dirtboy
Not to mention a slander suit.
22 posted on 09/29/2003 12:17:06 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Ok, I just posted your story in Frontpage news.
23 posted on 09/29/2003 12:20:54 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Pubbie
INTREP
24 posted on 09/29/2003 12:24:20 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: mewzilla
It seems like Wilson has personal issues with Rove,and he is riding this for that purpose. The Rats and the media picked up on this and are going to run with it.Wilson is the weak link,the more light is shed on him,the weaker the case becomes.In the end,he won't get Rove,they won't get Bush,and this guy can slink away into the gutter,from whence he came.
25 posted on 09/29/2003 12:25:45 PM PDT by Redcoat LI
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
Thanks JVb. It's beginning to look like Alger Hiss and Whitaker Chambers might be fidgeting in their graves after seeing the antics of these amatuers (Wilson and his dem enablers, I mean).
26 posted on 09/29/2003 12:26:31 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Fred Mertz
Why is Novak getting the kid glove treatment?

Because Novak never said administration officials gave him that info. Click here for the info

This whole scandal was cooked up by the leftists who twisted Novak's words.

27 posted on 09/29/2003 12:27:48 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Pubbie
Bookmarking for later read

Prairie
28 posted on 09/29/2003 12:30:27 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Pat Buchanan. RAT in sheeps clothing.)
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To: dirtboy
I can just see Wilson sitting, sipping sweet green tea in the embasssy, chatting with the Nigerians:
Joe Wilson: So, has Saddam contacted you about purchasing uranium?

Nigerian (suspicious): Should he have?

Joe Wilson: No, it would be bad for your country if he did.

Nigerian: No, we have not had contact with Saddam about uranium!

29 posted on 09/29/2003 12:32:09 PM PDT by reegs
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To: randog
Letting it be known that Wilson's wife is CIA only lends credibility to Wilson's criticism of the Administration. Wilson is the one with the motive, not the WH.
30 posted on 09/29/2003 12:36:02 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: Pubbie
Why do the RATS always play the game as if it were for keeps - take no prisoners style, and constantly on the attack, never caring how they look in the process, just so long as they keep trying to drive their point home.

Our side (Republicans / even the non-RINOs) are more concerned about appearing 'likable' and 'gentlemanly', than driving home a point on a consitant, and 'attacking' mode.

I'm tired of this crap!

Let's call a spade a spade.

These RATS are "UNPATRIOTIC"!!! and don't give a damn about supporting direct and unilateral actions to protect our national security.
31 posted on 09/29/2003 12:37:52 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: mewzilla
"At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."

If this is an exact quote, one should ask, who is "WE."
32 posted on 09/29/2003 12:38:10 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Pubbie
Well, this whole thing is a farce anyway. Here is the text of the law that supposedly has been violated.

Sec. 421. - Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(d) Imposition of consecutive sentences
A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment
[Emphasis added].

This law applies to covert operatives. Now, up to this point, I have read nothing that asserts Wilson's wife as being a covert operative. She is an analyst. I don't know the CIAs particular career track, but analysts are typically analysts for a reason. Perhaps they don't have the skills or savvy needed for field work? Perhaps their area of expertise is of an analytic (hence, the job title) rather than an operational level?

Either way, nothing about this seems to be anything more than an opportunity for the President's political opponents.

33 posted on 09/29/2003 12:42:40 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: mattdono
Somebody needs to e-mail this to Rush and Hannity because the network news certainly isn't going to cast Jumpin Joe in a bad light...
34 posted on 09/29/2003 12:46:01 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Pubbie
You're right of course...anyone have the email addresses handy?

Also, I meant to include the source...here it is

35 posted on 09/29/2003 12:47:10 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: mattdono
Do a google search, you'll find their shows easily.
36 posted on 09/29/2003 12:48:06 PM PDT by Pubbie ("Last time I checked, he doesn't have a vote" - Tom DeLay on Ari Fleischer's demand for Tax-Rebates)
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To: Pubbie
bookmark to read later
37 posted on 09/29/2003 12:50:43 PM PDT by iceskater
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To: mewzilla
Wilson is backtracking now because I think he figured out he could be sued for libel!

"In order to prove defamation, you have to be able to prove that what was said or written about you was false. If the information is true, or if you consented to publication of the material, you will not have a case. However, you may bring an defamatory action if the comments are so reprehensible and false that they effect your reputation in the community or cast aspersions on you."

Sue him for every penny he's got Karl!
38 posted on 09/29/2003 12:50:56 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Pubbie
Busy...no time to search, thought another FREEPER might have had them at the ready. I did already fire it off to my local drive-time host.
39 posted on 09/29/2003 12:51:55 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: mewzilla
Man, you're good. If I ever need a "net-nose" to root out some facts for me . . . you've got the job. Great catches, keep on strokin'!
40 posted on 09/29/2003 1:04:39 PM PDT by geedee (Some say the glass is half empty, some say the glass is half full, I say, are you gonna drink that?)
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To: Pubbie
Ok, you guilted me...I sent it to Hannity. The email that I had for him was seanshow@abc.com

If this isn't right, someone let me know.

41 posted on 09/29/2003 1:08:41 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: CyberAnt
For those of us Americans who have lived overseas in recent years, it is all too obvious how many Clinton leftovers/loyalists are still on the payrolls at US consulates and embassies abroad.

The Bush administration needs to clean house at the State Dept. with the help of some rat-catching pest-control experts.
42 posted on 09/29/2003 1:41:22 PM PDT by MissouriForBush
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To: Pubbie
Thanks for posting that. I called called away from my FRED (computer:) I see Chuckie cancelled his presser...
43 posted on 09/29/2003 1:53:54 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: ravingnutter
Because Novak never said administration officials gave him that info.


7777

Sean Hannity just read a comment from Novak, issued today, that he got the info on wilson's wife, from a CIA official, NOT from anyone at the White House.
44 posted on 09/29/2003 2:18:34 PM PDT by maica
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To: Republican Red
It is legal for a State Department person to be married to a spook. Sounds like a conflict to me.
Count on C-Span to provide a mike for any anti-Bush ranters.
The MORNING JOURNAL couldn't be worse if it were paid for by the DNC. . . they certainly are allowed to provide all the responses. Hate Bush line is straightforward while the
like Bush line starts with but I used to like Bush and then the same rant.
45 posted on 09/29/2003 2:53:29 PM PDT by SouthCarolinaKit
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To: SouthCarolinaKit
Greg Knapp, Talk Radio, KLIF 570 AM, Dallas/Ft Worth, TX

Greg will be covering the Wilson/Yellowcake/Whitehouse "Leak" issue in the next hour (5:05pm CST). Greg and his staff always do excellent research, and Greg is as sharp as a tack. Must listen. Oline here:

http://www.streamaudio.com/listen?station=KLIF_AM

46 posted on 09/29/2003 2:59:14 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Pubbie
Mr. Wilson is now saying (on C-SPAN this morning, for example) that he opposed military action in Iraq because he didn't believe Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he foresaw the possibility of a difficult occupation. In fact, prior to the U.S. invasion, Mr. Wilson told ABC's Dave Marash that if American troops were sent into Iraq, Saddam might "use a biological weapon in a battle that we might have. For example, if we're taking Baghdad or we're trying to take, in ground-to-ground, hand-to-hand combat."

In additon to Wilson's comments to ABC's Maresh, he spoke with Bill Moyers in February 2003 (after SOTU speech, but no comment from Wilson about any quarrel he had with President Bush's uranium refererence):

In Depth — Transcript, February 28, 2003, Bill Moyers talks with Joseph C. Wilson, IV

EXCERPT:

MOYERS: President Bush's recent speech to the American Enterprise Institute, he said, let me quote it to you. "The danger posed by Saddam Hussein and his weapons cannot be ignored or wished away." You agree with that?

WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. I...

MOYERS: "The danger must be confronted." You agree with that? "We would hope that the Iraqi regime will meet the demands of the United Nations and disarm fully and peacefully. If it does not, we are prepared to disarm Iraq by force. Either way, this danger will be removed. The safety of the American people depends on ending this direct and growing threat." You agree with that?

WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. The President goes on to say in that speech as he did in the State of the Union Address is we will liberate Iraq from a brutal dictator. All of which is true.

47 posted on 09/29/2003 3:12:05 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Fred Mertz
Why is Novak getting the kid glove treatment?

NOVAK: 'NOBODY IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION CALLED ME TO LEAK THIS'

Excerpt:

According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of an undercover operatives...

48 posted on 09/29/2003 3:15:26 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: aristeides
Absolutely!! And .. I hope the WH admin will follow through and fire them!!
49 posted on 09/29/2003 3:15:31 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America - The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth)
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To: aristeides
Whoever revealed this classified information on which lives depended

Why are you buying the Wilson/lib line that this was classified information on which lives depended?

First, the very first part of the article this thread is based on says:

It's the top story in the Washington Post this morning as well as in many other media outlets. Who leaked the fact that the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV worked for the CIA?

What also might be worth asking: "Who didn't know?"

And, as I just posted a link to Novak's latest comments, Plame was not a spy, under-cover or any of that. She was an analyst.

50 posted on 09/29/2003 3:19:37 PM PDT by cyncooper
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