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Ray Haynes Endorses the Recall
Email message from CA Assembly District 66 | September 29, 2003 | Ray Haynes

Posted on 09/29/2003 5:30:13 PM PDT by LaraCroft

To my fellow conservatives:

By now you may have heard that I have endorsed Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor. I have received a variety of responses to that decision, some good, and some bad. I understand them all, and I believe each of you need to know the reason I made this decision. It was not lightly made, and the result of a lot of discussion, thought and prayer. I take my role as a conservative in the legislature seriously, and my endorsement means something to me. I don't give it away lightly, and I do so only when I believe it promotes the causes in which we all believe. I believe this endorsement is true to those principles.

First, let me give you a little history. There were several people at the first recall rally in February, but only two elected officials, Tom McClintock and I. I believed then, and I believe now, that it is critical to get rid of Gray Davis, and change the direction of this state. I know Cruz Bustamante, we were elected to the Assembly together in 1992, and his office was next to mine. I know that Cruz will just be Gray Davis done over. There will be no change (at least not for the better) in the direction of this state if he wins as Governor. In fact, as an ideological true believer (which Davis is not), Cruz could even be worse in some ways. The prime reason for the recall was to change the direction of this state, not to change the name of the person occupying the Governor's office.

Second, I spent considerable time trying to help make the recall successful. Early on, the recall sputtered. It was moving, but not nearly fast enough. I knew then, as I know now, that once the recall qualified, Gray Davis would lose his job. The serious question was whether the recall would qualify. I talked with a number of people trying to find the money to get it qualified, and ultimately, was one of the people who helped persuade Darrell Issa to put up the money to qualify it (not the only one, and I didn't have to work real hard, he wanted the recall to succeed, for the credibility of the party). Tom was not at those meetings, and Darrell asked me what I thought Tom would do if he financed the recall. I told him I didn't know, but Darrell would have a persuading argument to ask him to step aside, since Tom could not have made it work without Darrell's help. I know Darrell talked to Tom about not running. Tom ultimately decided not to reconsider. Issa is a strong conservative, and was, more than any other, responsible for the success of the recall, but Tom's believed he should be Governor. That was one of the principal reasons (though not the only one) Darrell chose not to run. We lost a solid conservative, who could have financed his own campaign, and got a solid conservative who could not, because Tom believed he was entitled to the Governor's office. This is not a battle over personality; it is a battle over principle. I believe the principles we believe in lost when Darrell pulled out, and they lost because Tom would not even consider anything other than his personal campaign for Governor. We will not advance principle as long as personality trumps principle in these types of disputes. It is history now, but it did play a role in my decision, because I believed I had found the perfect meshing of principle and practicality in Darrell Issa, and the conservative movement lost.

Third, I have attached to this memo a list of the bills signed by Davis over the last five years that represent real losses to the conservative movement. Most of these bills had been on Pete Wilson's desk, and he vetoed them. Wilson was viciously attacked by conservatives (including me) for being too moderate, but he vetoed bills putting sexual orientation in the civil rights laws, domestic partnership bills, every gun bill put on his desk, bills designed to push the homosexual agenda in schools, in our social services, and a variety of other efforts by the left to undermine our culture. But in the last five years, Davis has signed all of those bills. We have been losing badly, and we have to do what it takes to stop it. The attachment is just a small chronicle of those losses, but, believe me, it has been ugly, and it must stop now.

Which brings me to Schwarzenegger. I did not need to get involved in this race, and the easiest, and most political, thing for me to do would be to endorse Tom. Everyone would have expected it, and I would get no heat for the decision. But I believe the essence of leadership is letting your friends know when they are doing something wrong. It is easy to tell folks who have never supported you that they are wrong, there is no political cost to that. Looking your supporters that they are wrong is hard, because no one likes to hear that. There is a significant political cost that attaches to that. If I had said or done nothing, or endorsed Tom, I could have skated through this entire event without cost to me. But, if Cruz wins because Tom split the vote, the cost to the conservative movement in California will be immeasurable. We started the recall, we need to finish it with a victory. If we lose now, and there is a better than average chance we will if things stay the same, we will rightly bear the criticism that we handed this state over to the Democrats for the next 7 years. Our shortsightedness could cost us the entire war in this state. That is a risk I will not take. I have worked too hard, fought too much for the things we believe in to sacrifice them for my political career, for someone else's ego, or for the shortsightedness of those who are my allies. If I believe we are doing wrong, I am going to do what is right first, and let the politics fall as they may. If that means I must bear the criticism of my friends, then so be it. I know if Cruz wins, conservatism is California will be discredited for a long time.

So the question is--Can conservatives credibly support Schwarzenegger? I think so. I put the following evidence to you for your consideration. (1) He is not afraid to call himself a conservative. Many of my moderate friends refuse to even use the word, because they think it damages them. Schwarzenegger used it at the convention, and used it proudly. That is a good thing. (2) Anyone who says that "Milton Friedman is right, and Karl Marx is wrong" has the makings of a good conservative, even if he doesn't understand all of the nuances of the political debate. When you begin with the right base, the rest is simply good education. I know, because that is how I began my journey from the left to my current state of conservatism. I started with the right base, and built on it like building on a rock. (3) On the social issues on which we can have an effect, Schwarzenegger is with us. He is for parental notification in abortion, and against partial birth abortion. In the abortion debate in California, that is all we can affect at this time, without a major change in the law, the legislature, and public opinion. He is with us. He is against gay marriage. Domestic partnerships are already in law, and we can't change it until we change the legislature. By that time, we will have the chance to work on him, and show him the wisdom of our position. The same with guns. There is nothing he would do to make things worse than they already are, and nothing he could do to make things any better in our current environment. His base is correct, that is something to build on. (4) On education, he thinks Milton Friedman is right--that being so--he will come to see the wisdom of parental choice. (5) On fiscal and business issues, we have a clear and outspoken friend. Despite what you’ve read in the papers, he has been quite clear in what he would do to turn the business climate around and he has pledged to end the car tax (See www.joinarnold.com for more specifics.) Comparing all of this with Davis and Bustamante, the question of who to support answers itself. At worst, Schwarzenegger will be benign on the issues we hold dear, and at best, he will be helpful. I think there is sufficient evidence that he will be helpful that I am willing to put my personal reputation on the line in his support. If I am wrong, I will apologize, and do my political penance. I do not think I am wrong here.

If this were a primary, there would be no debate. I would support Tom. Winning or losing the primary, however, would not decide the election. I have never bought into my moderate friends arguments that we "nominated" someone too conservative. It always sounded as a convenient excuse for them to support the Democrat in the general election. The conservative would lose because my moderate friends wanted him or her to lose. That, however, is not at issue here. This is a winner take all situation. Wisdom here dictates a different conclusion than the typical analysis. You have to make your own analysis, but I know that more than one of my solid conservative allies has come to the same conclusion I have. It wasn't easy. I expect to be called all sorts of names by people who I call friends, and should know better. It is, however, my best judgment, exercised on behalf of the principles I hold dear. The only reason I fight the fight I fight in politics is to advance the principles of family, freedom, and free enterprise which we all share. I will continue that fight as best I can with the tools available to me, regardless of the outcome of the recall. I will stand with you again on all those fights, no matter who is Governor, and if Schwarzenegger wishes to fight us on those principles I will stand with you. No matter what happens, let us pray that God will take mercy on this state, and help us change its direction. We cannot go much further down the road on which we are traveling.

Ray Haynes 1999

AB 1001 grants homosexual “protected status” under the civil rights laws. This means that legal protections, including preferences, quotas, and set asides granted to racial minorities, would be granted to those practicing, or “perceived to be” practicing homosexual behavior.” CHAPTERED

AB 26 awards official government status to “homosexual partners,” and grants authority to public agencies to cover these “partners” the same way they cover spouses in health insurance. CHAPTERED

2001

AB 25: Among the rights, privileges, and standing this bill would provide domestic partners consistent with the rights, privileges and standing of spouses are: the right to recover damages for negligent infliction of emotional distress; the right to assert a cause of action for wrongful death; the right of a domestic partner to adopt a child of his or her partner as a stepparent; the right to receive continued health care coverage (including the right of his or her child to receive coverage) because he or she is a surviving beneficiary of the deceased employee or annuitant; the right to make health care decisions for an incapacitated partner; the right to nominate a conservator, be nominated as conservator, oppose, participate, file various petitions in the conservatorship, and to receive all notices relevant to conservatorship proceedings, including temporary conservatorships, involving his or her domestic partner; the right to receive an allowance from the estate of a conservatee who is his or her domestic partner, to pay for basic living expenses during the conservatorship, in the same manner as a spouse and the minor children of a conservatee are entitled; the right to jointly purchase real property with a conservatee who is his or her partner and to receive gifts from the conservator upon court approval; the right and priority of his or her nominee to be appointed conservator equal to the right and priority of a nominee of a spouse; the right to be treated the same as a spouse in a statutory will; the right to inherit property from a deceased partner in the same manner as a spouse inheriting under the intestate succession laws of the state; the right to be appointed as administrator of decedent's estate, in the same manner and priority as a spouse; if he or she predeceased the decedent, the right of his or her children, parents, brothers and sisters to be appointed as administrator of decedent's estate, in the same manner and priority as the children, parents, brothers and sisters of a predeceased spouse; the right to be treated as the spouse of a taxpayer for purposes of determining personal state income tax liability; the right to use employee sick leave to attend to an illness of his or her partner or his or her partner's child and the right not to be discriminated against for the use of sick leave to attend to an illness of his or her partner or partner's child; the right to unemployment insurance benefits for leaving employment to join his or her domestic partner at a remote location to which commuting to work is impractical and a transfer of employment is not available; the right to file a claim for disability benefits for his or her partner, in the same manner as a spouse may file such a claim.

CHAPTERED

AB 2216 Grants domestic partners rights to intestate succession CHAPTERED

2002

AB 2216, (Keeley). Intestate succession: domestic partners. Under the existing law of intestate succession, the surviving spouse is entitled to the decedent's separate property that is not effectively disposed of by will. This bill would extend this entitlement to a decedent's domestic partner. CHAPTERED

AB 2777, (Nation) County employees' retirement: death Benefits to a domestic partner. Any death benefits, optional retirement allowances, or survivor's allowances accorded to a spouse, may be accorded to a domestic partner in certain counties. CHAPTERED.

SB 1575, (Sher) Probate Exemptions. Existing law invalidates a donative transfer to the person who drafted the instrument except from where the transferor is related by blood or marriage to the transferee. This bill would except domestic partners as well. CHAPTERED.

SB 1661, (Kuehl) Disability compensation for family or domestic partner. This bill would establish a family temporary disability insurance program (through State Disability) to provide up to 6 weeks of wage replacement benefits to workers who take time off work to care for a seriously ill child, spouse, parent, domestic partner, or to bond with a new child.. CHAPTERED

2003

AB 17 (Kehoe) Domestic partnerships and State contracts. This bill would prohibit a state agency from entering into a contract for the acquisition of goods or services with a vendor or contractor who does not offer benefits to registered domestic partner employees equal to benefits offered to married employees. Passed Asm floor on 6-5-03 on a 42-32 on strict party-line vote. Passed Sen on a 22-15 vote on 9-12-03. ENROLLED AND SENT TO THE GOVERNOR

AB 205 (Goldberg) Domestic Partners. Extends all rights reserved for married couples to domestic partners. Passed Asm floor on 6-4-03 on 41-32 party-line vote. Passed Sen on. 23-14 vote on 8-28-03. Asm concurred in Sen Amendments on 41-33 vote on 9-3-03. CHAPTERED

SB 85 (Torlakson) Death benefits. Would allow all counties to afford death benefits, optional retirement allowances, or survivor's allowances accorded to a spouse, to give same benefit to a domestic partner. Passed Sen 4-7-03. Passed aSMon. 44-27 vote on 8-28-03. Sen concurred in Asm Amendments on 22-15 vote on 9-2-03. ENROLLED AND SENT TO THE GOVERNOR

AB 1082 (Laird) PERS health care benefits: domestic partners. Would authorize a contracting agency with PERS to provide retirement health care benefits to domestic partners. Passed Asm floor5-15-03. Passed Sen on 22-14 vote on 8-27-03. ENROLLED AND SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.

SB 71 (Kuehl) Education. Changes the Education Code to mandate that students in grades K-12 be provided with the knowledge and skills necessary to protect themselves from unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases and to encourage students to develop healthy attitudes and values about adolescent growth and development, body image, gender roles, sexual orientation, romantic involvement, marriage, and family. Also allows anonymous, voluntary, and confidential evaluation tools to including tests, questionnaires, and surveys containing questions about the pupil's attitudes concerning or practices relating to sex. Reduces the parent notification requirements. Parents would have the right to opt out of the training, but the bottom line is that this type of ‘training’ should be relegated to home and family, not the education establishment. Passed Sen Floor on 23-13 party-line vote on 6-4-03. Passed Asm on 47-32 vote on 9-9-03. Sen concurred in Asm amendments on 24-14 vote on 9-11-03. ENROLLED AND SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.

AB 1250 (Laird) Teacher development. Would allow the staff development allowance to be used for training designed to improve intolerance and hatred prevention. Passed the Asm floor on a 53-2r vote on 6-2-03. Passed Sen on 22-14 vote on 8-25-03. CHAPTERED

AB 196 (Leno) Redefines the term ‘gender’ to include “perceived gender.” Allowing fines up to $150,000 against employers (religious businesses, Boy Scout councils would be effected) that refuse to hire individuals on the basis of gender as perceived from the “victim’s point of view,” which could include cross-dressers and transsexuals. Passed Asm floor on 42-34 vote on April 21st. Passed Sen floor on 7-24-03. CHAPTERED.

AB 458 (Chu) Foster parents. Would create new training requirements for foster care parents, including sensitivity training to homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. Last year a similar bill would have forced foster care parents to support, and even promote, homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. (Similar to AB 2651 last year.) Passed Asm floor 46-31 party-line vote on 5-12-03. Passed Sen floor on 23-11 vote on 7-24-03. Asm concurred in Sen Amendments on 48-22 vote on 8-21-03. CHAPTERED.


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KEYWORDS: california; endorsement; haynes; issa; mcclintock; rayhaynes; recall; schwarzenagger
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A message from the Honorable Ray Haynes, patriot extraordinaire, that I am proud to have as MY rep!
1 posted on 09/29/2003 5:30:14 PM PDT by LaraCroft
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To: LaraCroft
Join Us…Your One Thread To All The California Recall News Threads!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

2 posted on 09/29/2003 5:44:31 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: LaraCroft
You are a lucky person to have such an intelligent thoughtful conservative person as your rep.

For our community, we are fortunate to have pro-life pro-family rep and congressman, but they are both Dems and are not pro-enterprise.
3 posted on 09/29/2003 6:05:06 PM PDT by IpaqMan
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To: onyx; Tamsey; DoughtyOne; strela; PhiKapMom; nopardons; doodlelady; Victoria Delsoul; PRND21; ...
A "must read" ping -- thoughtful discussion by Haynes about Schwarzenegger, McClintock and the recall.
4 posted on 09/29/2003 7:10:32 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: LaraCroft
Thank you very much for posting this.

Haynes is truly a great man.

I do hope those who really need to, will read it.

"Tom believed he was entitled to the Governor's office." "We will not advance principle as long as personality trumps principle"
5 posted on 09/29/2003 7:13:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: IpaqMan
I agree with Ray Haynes. Arnold says he IS a conservative and didn't apologize at the party convention for being one. As for the nuances he doesn't know, we Freepers can continue to educate him. Let's all put aside our past differences and unite for VICTORY!
6 posted on 09/29/2003 7:14:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FairOpinion
Excellent, historical perspective. Too many joined the fray in the last few weeks and have no idea of the background of the recall.
7 posted on 09/29/2003 7:16:36 PM PDT by CheneyChick (www.JoinArnold.com - "Let's Bring Kah-lee-fohr-nya Back")
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To: FairOpinion
BTTT --- I will read it tonight.
8 posted on 09/29/2003 7:18:50 PM PDT by onyx (Vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor of Calley-for-nee-a)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for the ping...... Here's another endorsement by another Assembly Republican today......... Dave Cox

September 29, 2003

Republican Leader Dave Cox: Yes on Arnold Schwarzenegger, Yes on the Recall

SACRAMENTO - Assembly Republican Leader Dave Cox (R-Fair Oaks) today announced that he has endorsed Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor in the Recall Election on November 7th. Following is Cox's statement:

Dave Cox


9 posted on 09/29/2003 7:23:35 PM PDT by deport
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To: FairOpinion
Sorry FO, but I generally lose interest in an article on or around the 20,000th word.
10 posted on 09/29/2003 7:24:44 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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To: goldstategop; FairOpinion
There will be a better chance of our "educating" him if he doesn't first read the vicious, hateful, volcanically malicious slanders fired at him by some of FR's self-styled "real" conservatives.

Dan
11 posted on 09/29/2003 7:27:01 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: LaraCroft
I expect to be called all sorts of names by people who I call friends, and should know better.

Amen, brother. Preach it.

Dan

12 posted on 09/29/2003 7:27:44 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: South40
I sympathize.

Let me excerpt a few key statements for you. :)

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"Tom believed he was entitled to the Governor's office.

We will not advance principle as long as personality trumps principle in these types of disputes."

But, if Cruz wins because Tom split the vote, the cost to the conservative movement in California will be immeasurable. We started the recall, we need to finish it with a victory. If we lose now, and there is a better than average chance we will if things stay the same, we will rightly bear the criticism that we handed this state over to the Democrats for the next 7 years. Our shortsightedness could cost us the entire war in this state. That is a risk I will not take.

I have worked too hard, fought too much for the things we believe in to sacrifice them for my political career, for someone else's ego, or for the shortsightedness of those who are my allies"
13 posted on 09/29/2003 7:33:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
I think you'll like this!
14 posted on 09/29/2003 7:36:34 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: LaraCroft; Poohbah; CheneyChick; onyx
I told him I didn't know, but Darrell would have a persuading argument to ask him [McClintock] to step aside, since Tom could not have made it work without Darrell's help. I know Darrell talked to Tom about not running. Tom ultimately decided not to reconsider. Issa is a strong conservative, and was, more than any other, responsible for the success of the recall, but Tom's believed he should be Governor. That was one of the principal reasons (though not the only one) Darrell chose not to run. We lost a solid conservative, who could have financed his own campaign, and got a solid conservative who could not, because Tom believed he was entitled to the Governor's office.

So McClintock's sense of entitlement trumps Issa's money, because it is Issa who is selfless not McClintock.

15 posted on 09/29/2003 7:36:54 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: FairOpinion
Comparing all of this with Davis and Bustamante, the question of who to support answers itself. At worst, Schwarzenegger will be benign on the issues we hold dear, and at best, he will be helpful. I think there is sufficient evidence that he will be helpful that I am willing to put my personal reputation on the line in his support. If I am wrong, I will apologize, and do my political penance. I do not think I am wrong here.

Woohoo, excellent!

16 posted on 09/29/2003 7:41:59 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: LaraCroft
Which brings me to Schwarzenegger. I did not need to get involved in this race, and the easiest, and most political, thing for me to do would be to endorse Tom. Everyone would have expected it, and I would get no heat for the decision. But I believe the essence of leadership is letting your friends know when they are doing something wrong. It is easy to tell folks who have never supported you that they are wrong, there is no political cost to that. Looking your supporters that they are wrong is hard, because no one likes to hear that. There is a significant political cost that attaches to that. If I had said or done nothing, or endorsed Tom, I could have skated through this entire event without cost to me. But, if Cruz wins because Tom split the vote, the cost to the conservative movement in California will be immeasurable. We started the recall, we need to finish it with a victory. If we lose now, and there is a better than average chance we will if things stay the same, we will rightly bear the criticism that we handed this state over to the Democrats for the next 7 years. Our shortsightedness could cost us the entire war in this state. That is a risk I will not take. I have worked too hard, fought too much for the things we believe in to sacrifice them for my political career, for someone else's ego, or for the shortsightedness of those who are my allies.

Nice ....

17 posted on 09/29/2003 7:42:05 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: RGSpincich
It sure looks that way more and more each day.
18 posted on 09/29/2003 7:47:28 PM PDT by CheneyChick (www.JoinArnold.com - "Let's Bring Kah-lee-fohr-nya Back")
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To: RGSpincich
So McClintock's sense of entitlement trumps Issa's money, because it is Issa who is selfless not McClintock.

Bull's Eye!

Furthermore, McNader is in the race to stay because he's hoping to keep Arnold from winning. He is mad at us for choosing Arnold over him. Sick, sad, but true.

19 posted on 09/29/2003 7:47:39 PM PDT by onyx (Vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor of Calley-for-nee-a)
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To: redlipstick
I found this in particular disturbing.

"Tom believed he was entitled to the Governor's office"

Having studied a little Psychology in college (enough to figure this one out), I'd say the guy has some MAJOR issues.

20 posted on 09/29/2003 7:50:23 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: Where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: CheneyChick; FairOpinion; RGSpincich; BunnySlippers; Victoria Delsoul
Such an insightful article and such a nice peaceful thread.

21 posted on 09/29/2003 7:50:24 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
He's going to implode sooner or later. I think sooner.
22 posted on 09/29/2003 7:51:15 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: redlipstick

The thread is peaceful, because "some people" wouldn't come and touch it with a ten-foot pole. ;)
23 posted on 09/29/2003 7:52:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: South40; RGSpincich
Sorry FO, but I generally lose interest in an article on or around the 20,000th word.

Me too, which is why I will read the entire endorsement later tonight, but, please see POST #15!

24 posted on 09/29/2003 7:53:20 PM PDT by onyx (Vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor of Calley-for-nee-a)
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To: FairOpinion
I hope they stay away.

It's letting me sign off for the night with a smile, a rare thing these days.

25 posted on 09/29/2003 7:54:41 PM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: onyx; FairOpinion
Thanks. It looks like a great article; I'll read it when I get the time.
26 posted on 09/29/2003 7:58:25 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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To: onyx
He is mad at us...

That's absurd ... but true.

27 posted on 09/29/2003 8:53:03 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: FairOpinion
This most assuredly IS a must read for EVERYONE !

28 posted on 09/29/2003 9:08:26 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: onyx
Read it...it's awesome.
29 posted on 09/29/2003 9:11:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Graewoulf
Ping a ling
30 posted on 09/29/2003 9:13:16 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: nopardons
Good evening ETOM!

Yes, I've now read it. Busy cutting and pasting!
31 posted on 09/29/2003 9:13:47 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)
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To: LaraCroft
Fascinating insight from someone on the inside. Two points stand out. First, Tom McClintock's all-encompassing ego of feeling that he is "entitled" to the governorship that he essentially spit in the face of Darrell Issa, the "father" of the recall. Second, Haynes points out if this were a primary, he'd support Tom. It's essentialy for everyone to recognize this is NOT a primary. It's a General and we need to support the strongest candidate in order to end the Bustamante-Davis regime. Thumbs up to Haynes- excellent piece.
32 posted on 09/29/2003 9:18:46 PM PDT by jagrmeister (http://www.ArnoldGovernor.net)
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To: Mia T
Ping.
A letter from the Honorable Ray Haynes.
Thought you might be interested.
33 posted on 09/29/2003 9:19:01 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: redlipstick; FairOpinion
It's peaceful and quiet. LOL!!!

Let's make some noise…


34 posted on 09/29/2003 9:19:12 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: onyx
Finally got here, ETOM and happy to again be in the fray with you. :-)
35 posted on 09/29/2003 9:21:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
Thank you for the ping, FO.
This is a must read for everyone.
36 posted on 09/29/2003 9:25:07 PM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: Poohbah; jagrmeister; Hillary's Lovely Legs; Chancellor Palpatine; LisaAnne; alwaysconservative; ...
WOW.

This is a must, MUST read about McClintock's history with the recall and his current lack of support. It is a letter from Ray Haynes who knows McClintock well and this explains a great deal.
37 posted on 09/29/2003 9:29:59 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: LaraCroft
I can't tell you how jealous I am that you have such a fine, incredible man representing you :-)
38 posted on 09/29/2003 9:31:59 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: redlipstick
Agreed on all counts :-)
39 posted on 09/29/2003 9:33:42 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: FairOpinion
Thank you very much for the ping... this was remarkably helpful in understanding why things have proceeeded in the manner we've seen.

And poor Ray Haynes, it must have hurt him terribly to feel he had to write this letter :-(
40 posted on 09/29/2003 9:36:10 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: FairOpinion
The thread is peaceful, because "some people" wouldn't come and touch it with a ten-foot pole.

It's also peaceful because the poster chose not to lie about the thread title like "some people".

41 posted on 09/29/2003 9:36:52 PM PDT by jmc813 (McClintock is the only candidate who supports the entire Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife; RGSpincich
McC has a hidden, personal agenda in all this. What is it? It does not involve the voters of California. I wonder what it is.
42 posted on 09/29/2003 9:38:35 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: LaraCroft
wow.
43 posted on 09/29/2003 9:41:17 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
McC has a hidden, personal agenda in all this. What is it? It does not involve the voters of California. I wonder what it is.

Time to replace the tin foil.

44 posted on 09/29/2003 9:44:23 PM PDT by jmc813 (McClintock is the only candidate who supports the entire Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
malignant narcism...
actually quite dangerous if accompanied by schitzoid or bi polar behaviors...
45 posted on 09/29/2003 9:45:17 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
starting a new political party... and running for president... after all, he feels entitled...
46 posted on 09/29/2003 9:47:16 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: jmc813
I'll change my foil win Tom changes his metal plate.
47 posted on 09/29/2003 9:48:22 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: LaraCroft
On the social issues on which we can have an effect, Schwarzenegger is with us.

Searched the article for the following words...

Illegal, Illegals, Alien, aliens, migrant, immigrant, immigration, drivers, license, and licenses.

Nothing.


48 posted on 09/29/2003 9:48:42 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
Illegal, Illegals, Alien, aliens, migrant, immigrant, immigration, drivers, license, and licenses.

You forgot "guns".

49 posted on 09/29/2003 9:54:40 PM PDT by jmc813 (McClintock is the only candidate who supports the entire Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment)
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To: LaraCroft
I am proud to have as MY rep!

And well you should be. He is brilliant. He is rational. He is a team player. Congratualtions to you and your district's fine choice. I sure as hell wish we had a few more like him around this state.

50 posted on 09/29/2003 10:02:32 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Anyone who accepts the LA Times as the truth has no business calling anyone a RINO.)
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