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Do The Democrats Really Hate America?
Too Good Reports ^ | 09/30/03 | George M. Haddad

Posted on 09/30/2003 6:22:24 AM PDT by No!

Today's so-called Democrat Party is really a distribution in two parts, the sophisticated and the naive. Or more aptly, the Elitists and the Disciples as will be shown.

They have been called Leftists, Extreme left, Anti-war left, Anti-war progressives, Liberals, Liberal Democrats, Conservative Democrats, Progressive Democrats, New Democrats, Progressives, Socialists and to non-revisionist historians they have been likened to the Tories of the American Revolution who were not averse to sabotage and to selling us back to England.

The true platform of the so-called democrat party has been unfolding in an incremental manner since the New Deal days of Franklin Roosevelt and the Great Society of Lyndon Johnson until today it is unabashedly the standard bearer for the philosophy of Karl Marx with its giant aim on continued higher taxes, perpetual larger government and eroded individual and property rights. Although Lenin referred to his western world allies as "useful idiots" a more accurate description would have been "useless idiots." A review of the recent history of this alleged Democrat party is quite revealing.

Which party sided with Communist countries Nicaragua and El Salvador and protested any aid of any kind to the freedom fighters of these nations? Which party refused aid to Afghanistan when it was raided by Communist Russia. Which party gave away the Panama Canal, a project which had not only cost the American taxpayer billions in creation but also opened the door for the eventual take-over of this strategic transport maritime site by the Chinese?

Which party was responsible for sending us into a Korean and Vietnamese war without providing the necessary arms for battle to its own Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force? Which party was directly responsible for sending back a child to Communist Cuba whose mother gave up her life in order that the child live in a free society? Which party donated billions of our tax dollars to the Russians for the alleged dismantling of its obsolescent nuclear missiles while allowing it the wiggle to build bigger and better ones? Which party has continuously thrown up road blocks in the attempts to develop and research the necessary weaponry for the defense of our country in a nuclear age?

Which party was responsible for the drive to downgrade and decimate the total military force of the United States. Which party was responsible for disregarding the Constitution and allowing the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge? Which party underhandedly sold classified technical secrets to the Chinese and used the White House as its Merchandise Mart by selling bedrooms and gala parties for election time fund raising?

Which party detoured the final impeachment process of a president whose legacy is bemired in the most corrupt, insidious and treacherous presidency in our history? Which party was and is responsible for keeping us from drilling for our own oil and thus retaining a dependency on other nations for this crucial and possibly nation-saving commodity? Which party was obviously willing to shred our Constitution in the interest of winning a presidential election at any cost even to the extent of its own democrat packed Florida Supreme Court shunning its state constitution and the rule of law?

Which party did everything in its power to negate the military votes in the last presidential election? Which party has continued to fight for gun control and for keeping the American citizen from the wherewithal of self defense. Which party is in constant attack mode on American commercial corporations and American industry as a methodology to weakening the Capitalist and Free Enterprise System? Which party is in constant programming mode for our subservience to the United Nations. An organization dominated by despotic third world countries and which numbers itself amongst the most corrupt political entities on the globe.

Which party, upon leaving the White House ransacked Air Force One, looted, destroyed and pillaged the White House? Which party castigated Bush #1 for not continuing the move into Baghdad and has been crucifying Bush #2 for doing so.

This is the party which created and introduced political correctness to the point of national paralysis. This is the party which loves the poor people because they are the easiest prey. This is the party which has fomented the concept of reverse discrimination as the answer to discrimination. This is the party which history will prove has been wrong on all counts.

It is time for the Disciple Democrats to wake up and smell the problem. Your Elitists are not your allies. The United States of America is under siege. The fact that the so called democrat party is really the Socialist Party of the United States has never been more evident. This premise is primarily due to the fact that the total liberal platform follows the cardinal principles of Karl Marx and the implementation genius of Vladimir Lenin. The scenario we saw in Florida was programmed and we saw the Socialists, for the first time, actually taking a firm stance in order to test the system and the safeguards of our Constitutional Republic.

To those who doubt, it is about time that a better acquaintanceship with Marx be made as well as reading and listening to the Liberals Political Platform. The concepts of divide and conquer as well as fomenting class envy are two of the common denominators.

It is at this point that the words of Henry David Thoreau have implicit meaning when he wrote: "There is no odor so bad as that which arises from goodness tainted."

For his 8 years Bill Clinton with accomplice Al Gore had quietly circumvented our Constitution at every turn and the rule of law had been diluted incrementally to the point where there was no longer the outrage of a once moral society. To further undergird this concern it is well to keep in mind that never before in our history had a party ever supported an individual with one hundred percent loyalty and with the credentials of being a pathological liar with a maggot morality. Thus he got away with it and the little Disciples, although well meaning and naive, could have stopped it. Instead they continued to be duped and became thus guilty parties to the sin of omission and unfathomable folly.

One of our real problems is that the last few generations have not been exposed to American history. Our educational system of the last 40 years is broken and has been responsible for that. We have history books which commit a half page to George Washington and 3 pages to Marilyn Monroe. Realistically a person will find it difficult to know where he is going until he knows where he has been. With lack of knowledge regarding our history, our free enterprise system and continued commitment to freedom and liberty, people have been much easier led. And after all, that's the primary goal towards the inception and sustenance of any totalitarian society.

A case in point unfolded in Birmingham, Michigan by the students of a private school led by their obviously Woodstock oriented teachers. As our troops were beginning the assault on Baghdad these young high school heads full of mush were allowed out of school and were picketing at the busiest corner of this community and demanding that the troops come back home. What better way to aid, encourage and abet the enemy? Their parents were unwittingly paying heavily for the indoctrination of another generation of fifth columnists not too far removed from those who sprang into prominence during the Korean and Vietnam conflicts. This is what we are breeding through our educational system in too many quarters of our nation. And paying for it. It is a grim reminder of the student who in class was asked the question "who is George Washington?" and his reply was "what position does he play?"

Yesterday, my parents came to this country because it was the land of opportunity. Today too many of the foreign born are coming here because it is the land of entitlements. The more whiners and dependents you can wean and breed the more powerful you become.

History has proven that and our present Socialists are banking on it. And again we beg the question. Which party, in the nineties, allowed over 100,000 aliens to be sworn in illegally as American citizens with the prime purpose of winning their vote?

Which party is constantly parroting upholding the alleged and mythical doctrine of Separation of Church and State and rushing to the churches immediately at the point of each election.

With all the chicanery in vogue at this moment you will not see or hear much about it in the communications industry which we jokingly call the major news media. Thank goodness for the internet, the small local papers, and the conservative TV and radio personalities or a coup d'etat would have most assuredly been consummated.

Even today, with our involvement in the strangest and most provocative war in our history, this party is continuing to present road blocks to the efficient administration of our leaders. We find that judicial and executive appointments cannot be made, defensive weaponry is continually being blocked, the military is under constant attack and disparagement and dependence on foreign oil is encouraged.

The attacks on our President and on the present government leadership by the elitist democrats and liberal news media is far in excess of their concern relative to bringing Hussein, al Qaeda and the Taliban to heel. In the surge for power our own president is regarded as a worse enemy than the terrorists. This is what constitutes the democrat party of today. It is only a shell of what was once substantive, strong, valued and honorable.

There are two great oddities in motion in this present era of our history. The first is that there are so many people who actually believe that when they vote a democrat ticket they are actually voting a democrat ticket. Basically, they are not. These are the Disciples. Secondly, it is a psychological phenomenon of our time that the very industry, the fourth estate, is not cognizant of the fact that historically proven, when the Socialists gain full power it is they against whom the Socialist forces will move first.

It was the famed psychiatrist Karl Menninger who once wrote, "The extraordinary propensity of the human being to join hands with external forces in an attack upon his own existence is one of the most remarkable of biological phenomena."

Socialistic fervor under the guise of patriotism can hardly be considered being American.

We can only hope that the apathetic will cease to be pathetic and will wake up to the real danger which we are all facing at this given moment in time. In reality we are under siege not only by the terrorists but by those who claim to be patriots.

None dare call it treason.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democratsocialists
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1 posted on 09/30/2003 6:22:24 AM PDT by No!
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To: No!
Bump
2 posted on 09/30/2003 6:23:43 AM PDT by MarkeyD
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To: No!; newgeezer
None dare call it treason.

Didn't Hitler use this word an awful lot?

3 posted on 09/30/2003 6:24:25 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: No!
Read Mona Charen's excellent book Useful Idiots.

The Rats supported communism to a degree which is thought provoking.
4 posted on 09/30/2003 6:28:35 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: No!
Which party was responsible for disregarding the Constitution and allowing the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Wasn't Bush 1 president when Vicki Weaver was killed?

5 posted on 09/30/2003 6:29:15 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: No!
Thanks for the article. The Democratic party is a sad part of American history at this time. They are in shambles and attack everyone else of good character like a wounded animal. It is amazing to me how quickly the liberal media forgets the legacy left by the Clintonites-trashing public party as part of your exit strategy--I think Republicans ought to remind the American taxpayers what those Democrats cost us all.
6 posted on 09/30/2003 6:30:29 AM PDT by truthingod
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To: No!
.....The first is that there are so many people who actually believe that when they vote a democrat ticket they are actually voting a democrat ticket.....

Cannon fodder
7 posted on 09/30/2003 6:31:52 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: No!
While I love a good rant against the Rat Party as much as anyone, none of these things would have possible without the complicity of the pubbies. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Hoover, the Rockefellers, Lott, Hastert, Frist, Bush I & II, etc., ad nauseum have all given us bigger government and increasingly oppressive taxation despite belonging to the "Party of Limited Goverment". You could say that some of these people were or are just RINOs. In reality the entire Republican Party is republican IN NAME ONLY.
8 posted on 09/30/2003 6:32:16 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: No!
The rank and file rats don't hate America. The love taking whatever they can from America. Its the big rats that hate America.
9 posted on 09/30/2003 6:35:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: biblewonk
Didn't Hitler use this word an awful lot?

No.

10 posted on 09/30/2003 6:38:14 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: No!
Which party encourages the give away of us technology secrets to the Communist Chinese
or who has dismantled its own economy and sent it to the Communist Chinese

Which party allows the Saudi Wahhbists access to our Govt institutions and aids them in building Islamic centers and mosques across our nations or puts their immams and mullahs into our prison system and military to recruit and convert terrorists from within our own citizenry

Which Party has left our borders wide open allowing millions of illegal aliens to flood our nation.

The Party Spirit....Is A Pox on all our houses
11 posted on 09/30/2003 6:38:59 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Woahhs
Oh yes he did.
12 posted on 09/30/2003 6:39:32 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Woahhs
OK, it was the German version of that word. ;-D
13 posted on 09/30/2003 6:39:56 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
Then why did you ask? If you are going to say something, say it and leave coy insinuations to the Carvilles of the world.
14 posted on 09/30/2003 6:41:52 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: glock rocks
Yes, Bush 41 was President for Ruby Ridge. And somehow it has become folklore that Clinton was President. And it is commonly repeated. Why? I don't know.
15 posted on 09/30/2003 6:43:34 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Woahhs
Too many Freepers can't handle the truth so we have to be subtle.
16 posted on 09/30/2003 6:43:52 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: No!
bttt
17 posted on 09/30/2003 6:44:19 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: StockAyatollah
complicity of the pubbies bttt!
18 posted on 09/30/2003 6:45:17 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: No!
"The concepts of divide and conquer as well as fomenting class envy are two of the common denominators.

This is spot on, especially in regards to the attack on the conservative foundations of the Republican Party, instigated by Carl Rove's "Big Tent". Never has the Republican Party been more divided between RINO's and conservatives, globalists, within the party, and those conservatives that hold to our constitution and sovereignty.

The Republican Party, under the Bush administration, is as guilty as the Democrats of flooding the nation with illegals who will eventually vote their marxism to feed their bellies and destroy the "european" influence, history, and government in the west. It is the Republican Party, in it's 180 leftward turn, that has rolled back two of the few conservative victories of the past decades with the ransacking of the Welfare Reform Act, and returning us to membership in UNESCO.

A third party is needed that will tap into the discontent of the silent majority, while they are still a majority, who refuses to vote for either party because they claim, with good reason, that they are identical.

19 posted on 09/30/2003 6:46:43 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: glock rocks
Yes, and that is one small but exploitable flaw in what is otherwise an accurate and satisfying screed

PS: I like screeds. They get the blood going.

20 posted on 09/30/2003 6:46:59 AM PDT by katana
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To: No!
A shorter (and funnier) version of this dissection of Democrats appears below. Click and enjoy.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Democrats Dancing to Tunes of Glory?," discussion thread on FR. Article also on ChronWatch.

21 posted on 09/30/2003 6:59:07 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: biblewonk
Referencing Hitler is always the mark of a real smoothie...
22 posted on 09/30/2003 7:03:59 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: katana
Yes, it is a good rant :o)
23 posted on 09/30/2003 7:11:08 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: No!
...And people wonder why I "abandoned" the "democrat party" the day JFK was assinated and the step-father of American socialists (after FDR), one Lyndon Bains Johnson from my home state of Texas, became president of the U.S.A.

I have news for you who think I abandoned the "democrat party." I didn't, it abanoned me and many more!

24 posted on 09/30/2003 7:19:28 AM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: No!
...And people wonder why I "abandoned" the "democrat party" the day JFK was assinated and the step-father of American socialists (after FDR), one Lyndon Bains Johnson from my home state of Texas, became president of the U.S.A.

I have news for you who think I abandoned the "democrat party." I didn't, it abanoned me and many more!

25 posted on 09/30/2003 7:22:34 AM PDT by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: No!
Do The Democrats Really Hate America? Well lets see..communism..check.....socialism...check....tyranny ..ummm..oh yeah, leave Saddam in power..check..So do the Demon-rats hate America?..CHECK
26 posted on 09/30/2003 7:33:02 AM PDT by metalboy (Slinky, it makes a clickety sound and it goes downstairs, it is a marvelous spring)
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To: Woahhs
So is "Really Hate America".
27 posted on 09/30/2003 7:38:02 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: No!
No
28 posted on 09/30/2003 7:43:25 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: truthingod
"It is amazing to me how quickly the liberal media forgets the legacy left by the Clintonites-trashing public party as part of your exit strategy"

I think the media was so thrilled to have a true socialist president that they were and are willing to overlook anything.

29 posted on 09/30/2003 7:52:45 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: biblewonk
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and swims like a duck... innuendo isn't going to change it, even if it were clever innuendo.
30 posted on 09/30/2003 7:54:48 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
My Dad's a democrat and he doesn't hate America.
31 posted on 09/30/2003 7:57:40 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: StockAyatollah
Excellent comments.

Your sentiments continue today and the California recall is a prime example. McClintock (a real conservative) is thrown to the dogs because he's un-electable.
The Republican party is orchestrating Ahnold's surge. To me personally, that's a damned sell-out of conservative principals if I've ever seen one.
32 posted on 09/30/2003 8:15:36 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: biblewonk
My Dad's a democrat and he doesn't hate America.

So's my mom and my brother. I think one of the points made in the article is that your Dad, my Mom, etc., are unwittingly supporting the party's agenda, which, though cloaked very well in feel good rhetoric, in practice is Marxist and therefore wrong for America.

33 posted on 09/30/2003 8:43:02 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright
Do you buy that?
34 posted on 09/30/2003 8:55:46 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
I wouldn't speak for your dad, but I agree with wayoverontheright on the point.

35 posted on 09/30/2003 9:12:13 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
Isn't calling all government programs Marxism the same as my dropping Hitlers name earlier in this post when I see the word traitor?
36 posted on 09/30/2003 9:19:08 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
Probably, yes, on the 2 words.

I just meant that I agree with the article's point that there are 2 types of Democrats: the elite leaders who understand they are leading us to socialism and totalitarianism, and the "liberal" followers, who think that by voting Democrat they are looking out for the little guy.
37 posted on 09/30/2003 10:24:14 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Well, I guess I see a more colorful mix in the 10's of millions of democrats in this country. The gay agenda is certainly different from the labor agenda which is very different from the black agenda which is very different from the feminism agenda which is very different from the tree hugger agenda. I hear many of the same fears of oppression from "the powers that be" from both sides. That seems to be a commonality though the various things they fear are different.
38 posted on 09/30/2003 10:30:53 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: No!
Which party was responsible for disregarding the Constitution and allowing the debacles at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

The Republicans. RR happened under Bush 1, didn't it? Waco began under Bush 1 and ended under Clinton.

39 posted on 09/30/2003 10:38:35 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: No!
Ever since I became interested in politics, I have been fascinated with why people politically lean the way that they do. People of above average intelligence can stand firmly on opposite sides of the aisle and be very passionate about their positions. After thinking about why this could be, I have finally reached some conclusions which I think help to explain political affiliation. Here are my observations:

Liberals are “idealists”, and Conservatives are “realists”.

With the help of the comments made by some liberals I have known over the years, I came to the conclusion that they would like to live in the ideal world, and many with behave as if our world is ‘ideal’. Here are two examples of phrases uttered by actual liberals.
1. “The US doesn’t need a military.” A liberal I know said this before the first Gulf war. In her lifetime, she, at that point, had never experienced out country at war. She was too young to remember Viet Nam. Now, Conservatives realize that the world is not perfect and that there will always be kooks out there ready to take away our freedom, not to mention our lives. Liberals, and rightly so, think that a military isn’t needed in a perfect world. They believe that by acting as if the world is perfect, the world will become perfect. This leads me to my second example.
2. While driving through the bowels of Philadelphia, my liberal friend said, “You know, I used to drive down here and leave the doors unlocked…. I didn’t want to believe that things were as bad as they are”. She had thought that by ignoring the problem, and pretending it didn’t exist, things would improve. Conservatives realize that the world is not perfect and we have learned to adapt. If you think about it, this above thought process could be applied to the gun issue. If there are no bad guys, why would we need hand guns?

Liberals live for the moment and don’t think about cause and effect. They believe very much that the ends justify the means.

This statement can be proven when looking at the abortion crowd and “ELF”. I had a very hard time trying to understand some people were not bothered by abortions. The mantra is, “it’s the woman’s right to choose”, “it’s her body”, etc, which I partly understand. Yet, we cannot do as we please with our bodies. We cannot assault other people, put illegal drugs in it, or even throw ourselves off a cliff without breaking the law. A young, unwed mother-to-be who doesn’t want to be a mother can get an abortion for whatever reasons she wants to attribute to the decision. It’s an immediate solution. Her ‘problem’ is fixed quickly and she is then allowed to go off to the mall with her friends, or whatever. Liberals think, “this woman doesn’t want to be pregnant, so she shouldn’t have to be”. I and many other conservatives look at the bigger picture. It’s true that young, single pregnant women receive many disapproving glances, but what about adoption? Liberals rarely think about adoption because they live for the moment. Instead of giving a life, they cause a death. If she were to undergo the glances during her pregnancy and give the child up for adoption, she then becomes a hero. She is a hero to the loving couple who most likely have been waiting years to adopt a child, and she is a hero to the child. If you were this woman a year later, would you feel better having the abortion or giving up your child? By what I have read, I would have to say that adoption is the better choice. I think this is very easy to see. Then, why can’t liberals see it? My only answer to this is they chose to only look at the moment, and not other results of their actions. This brings me to “ELF.”

“Earth Liberation Front” has recently drawn attention to themselves by defacing SUVs and burning down buildings. Their complaint being SUVs are evil and cause too much pollution. Their answer to this is committing crimes which appear to stem from their juvenile behavior. How much pollution did that burning building create? Do they care? Do they think that people will now be less likely to buy SUVs? It’s difficult to determine what motivates these people other than a deep hate for anyone adapting and surviving in this imperfect world (Conservatives). “ELF” could be more effective by treating their cause as a ‘business’, rather than resorting to gorilla warfare. For instance, the people of ELF could raise awareness for alternate fuel for cars (i.e. www.greasecar.com). They could convert their cars to burning used vegetable oil and try to convince others to do the same (I know someone who has two of these cars. They really work well). If all like-minded liberals drove these converted cars, think of all the gas they could save! They could take it a step farther and strain the oil themselves and sell it, using the proceeds to advertise and further their cause. Why don’t they do this? There is usually one of two reasons why people don’t do something. The first, they don’t have the skills or knowledge, or two, they don’t have the desire (i.e. lazy, or they doubt the result). Is the stereotype, “Liberals usually can’t run businesses”, true?

Liberals find themselves in quite a bind. The world isn’t perfect, and try as they might, they can’t make it so. Conservatives are aware the world isn’t perfect and make adjustments accordingly. This is the reason why many liberals always seem to be in a bad mood. I experienced this first hand. My husband’s software company was getting together ‘non-profit’ call lists. I was given the task of getting the IT contact for the sales people to call. I had a large list of these non-profits. One on the lists was PETA. When I called them, they were not very enthusiastic, but they weren’t impolite. When the salesman finally got around to calling them, they were terribly rude. NO OTHER non-profit, from that whole list, was rude. Is this a coincidence? I don’t think it is since every time I see a member of PETA on the news, they are doing something illegal or violent.

What does everyone else think??
40 posted on 09/30/2003 10:40:17 AM PDT by Snowy (Women complain about PMS, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.)
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To: biblewonk
"Well, I guess I see a more colorful mix in the 10's of millions of democrats in this country."

I don't disagree. I simply maintain that the various elements in the (Democrat) mix still fall within the 2 categories, at least to a very large degree. Hopefully there are plenty of Democratic voters who are skeptical of the Democrats, just as there are many who vote Republican, but are skeptical of that party.

I would add that many causes, such as "civil rights," environmentalism, "anti war," etc. are adopted by the Left for use as a lever, not because they necessarily believe in them.

41 posted on 09/30/2003 10:40:46 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
My dad was a campaign manager for a local state house rep. This guy, not my dad, was in no way one of the elitists described. The only ones I can think of that actually want marxism/communism seem to be Hillary and Hillary and Hillary. Clinton was president for the same Reason Kiss is into rock, for the sex.
42 posted on 09/30/2003 10:46:44 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
Clinton was president for the same Reason Kiss is into rock, for the sex.

LOL!

43 posted on 09/30/2003 10:59:25 AM PDT by Snowy (Women complain about PMS, but I think of it as the only time of the month that I can be myself.)
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To: biblewonk
Do you buy that?

From the seemingly innocuous "tax cut for the rich" (classic Marxism) rhetoric to their political campaigns which blatantly portray business as public enemy number one, yes, I would say that the goal, in the mind of the elitists certainly, would never be admitted to as being Communism, but the potential result makes the difference academic.

I also believe that our economic system is more fragile than some seem to think, and that there is no recognition whatsoever by unwitting Democrats that their support for the party is putting the system in danger.

44 posted on 09/30/2003 12:03:59 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: biblewonk
My dad worked for the Democrats too. And he was neither a leftist nor a follower of them. But that was when a major segment of the party was "conservative."

But are you seriously arguing that there is not a large cadre of Leftists within the Democratic Party? Or that the Democrats are not leading the country toward socialism?
45 posted on 09/30/2003 12:11:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: biblewonk
Clinton may be without morals, but I think you are gravely mistaken if you doubt him to be a socialist.
46 posted on 09/30/2003 12:12:36 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: No!
YES.

Demotraitors REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE AMERICA.
47 posted on 09/30/2003 12:14:08 PM PDT by medscribe
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To: No!
Hell Yeah they hate America.
48 posted on 09/30/2003 12:15:04 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Frinking does a body good)
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To: Sam Cree
But are you seriously arguing that there is not a large cadre of Leftists within the Democratic Party? Or that the Democrats are not leading the country toward socialism?

That's a very complex question and if I am not careful in answering I will only cause confusion. The term "Leftists" has many meanings to me. I consider moral liberality to be more leftist than fiscal liberality and there are large groups of both in the Democratic party. I know there are actually Democrats that seem to want to become communist. This should be no surprise since we live in a country with people that want to catch aids "bug chasers".

But those are extremes.

We are already very very socialistic in this country. Socializing all medical care may be a next goal on the socialistic agenda and it would certainly be the Democrats that are more likely to push that. So yes I guess I have to agree with you.

49 posted on 09/30/2003 12:20:26 PM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
I kind of want to ask you what you mean by "moral liberality," but I am unsure whether we should open another can of worms. But thanks for your thoughtful responses.
50 posted on 09/30/2003 12:26:18 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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