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Cardinal: Pope in "a bad way"
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Posted on 09/30/2003 7:15:09 AM PDT by Dog

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To: kinghorse
taking my theory further, if you look at two events in particular, the Hizbollah Israeli swap and Hizbollah's apparent bending of their stone hard stance and Mubarek releasing the equivalent of the US releasing Lee Harvey Oswald, you have to wonder two things.

Is Hizbollah trying to save their people from some cataclysm about to befall Israel?

Is Mubarek and his ilk trying to get right with who could turn out to be the real muscle in Egypt once the USA suffers a terrible blow, that being the religious sect?

This is all looking rather ominous. The sad part is most every Muslim probably knows what is planned (by way of the preachings at their Mosques) but their fear and true allegiances are keeping them from talking. Truly the face of evil.
41 posted on 09/30/2003 8:38:51 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Dog
Prayers.
42 posted on 09/30/2003 8:40:01 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: VRWC_minion
The next pope.
43 posted on 09/30/2003 8:40:45 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: alisasny
The director of the independent Peace Research Institute in Oslo said he believed the pope was the most likely Nobel winner, even though he thought the committee wanted a Muslim winner.

'No Muslim candidate sent a message of peace in Iraq to the same degree'
"No Muslim candidate sent a message of peace in Iraq to the same degree as the pope."

Oh, for the love of Mike -- what manner of sh*theads do they hire over there?

44 posted on 09/30/2003 8:41:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dog
It's always a sad day when we lose an important religious leader. I remember two papal selections. The process of selecting a new pope is very interesting, and right now, the news networks are scrambling to find out just how it happens, since few of their staff even remember the last papal selection.

For those who do not remember how a new pope is selected, I recommend paying close attention to the stories that will appear. It is a fascinating, medieval process.

45 posted on 09/30/2003 8:44:04 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: All
For a rundown on the process of selecting a new pope, this is a good source:

http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/papacy/how.html
46 posted on 09/30/2003 8:46:19 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MEG33
I'm an agnostic ex-Catholic, but he's still without a doubt one of the great men of the last 100 years. He was as critical as anyone except Reagan and maybe Thatcher in bringing about the fall of the Soviet Empire.

-Eric

47 posted on 09/30/2003 8:49:49 AM PDT by E Rocc (If we let government take on the parental role, we will all become "honorary children")
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To: MineralMan; Dog
thanks for heads up Dog.

The pope has been a loved and worthy leader for his people. He kept the boundaries of the faith intack. As a non denominational Christian, I don't' always agree with the theology but I do agree he is my Christian brother & will soon be welcomed by & glorified in the hands of his creator.

May god give strenth and peace to his flock and guidance to those who will be chosing a successor.
48 posted on 09/30/2003 8:54:37 AM PDT by DollyCali ( authenticty: to have arrived)
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To: E Rocc
I consider him a Saint. I consider the way that communism fell under his lash to be nothing short of miraculous. I credit Reagan too, of course, but Poland was the prime mover and John Paul was very much involved in that.
49 posted on 09/30/2003 8:57:09 AM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: firebrand
Amen to that.
50 posted on 09/30/2003 9:00:27 AM PDT by ShakeNJake
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To: Dog
I remember reading ages ago that Rigali was a front-runner as successor to John Paul. Perhaps his just being named Cardinal is another sign that the Pope knows his job is nearly done.

Pope names Rigali a cardinal

51 posted on 09/30/2003 9:07:43 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: firebrand
Apostate Pope? I have wondered that myself...Pope John Paul II has really hung in there , I often wondered if it was because of who or whats next.
52 posted on 09/30/2003 9:08:21 AM PDT by Delbert
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What? He would have turned into a Protestant? Maybe you might pause to reflect that the Pope knows a good deal about Scripture. Have you ever actually read any Papal documents? They're thick with Scripture citations.

I have stated he has great intelligence. He just has had questionable handling of a few scriptural issues, of which would have ended my personal following of his leadership.

1. Stating that Christ is not the only way to salvation. (Ecumenicalism)
2. Homosexuality pervading his church, and not nipping these guys bud, so to speak.
3. Pandering to scientists, in contradiction to the Word of God. (Giving room for his congregation to latch onto Theistic Evolution, which necessitates death before Adam, making death a natural occurrence rather than a choice of man, which eliminates the need for the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ).
4. Allowing Mary's status to be similar to Christ's.
5. Not having clarity in regarding standing against evil. (Sadam, Muslim terror).

That's funny, because Scripture says (Hebrews 13:17) that we are to obey our leaders and submit to them, not ignore them, toss them aside, and declare them irrelevant "for men will ever let us down".

I am all for respecting authority, but to me he is like a foreign prime minister having no juridiction in my spiritual walk. I have consulted my Pastor on many spiritual issues, and fully respect his spiritual discernment, however, to avoid slipping back into the dark ages, I recognize that I can personally consult the Holy Spirit via the Word of God, and in prayer.

Descisions for the church that God has raised my pastor up to head, are fully in his authority. His leadership in the church is final as long as he is adhereing to the scriptures. If not his loving brothers will tactfully point out any infraction. Accountability at all levels is a key to a successful family, church and nation.

1 Tim 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Not Mary, the Pope or my Pastor.

53 posted on 09/30/2003 9:12:01 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: kinghorse
What do you think?

First, let me find that roll of Reynolds Wrap...
54 posted on 09/30/2003 9:13:14 AM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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To: G L Tirebiter
If we get through the lead up to this year's Ramadan in one piece I'll gladly accept the grief. Muslims have been pointing to the 2003 Ramadan as being the sign that triggers the appearance of the mahdi for a long long time. And believe me, these medieval cretins take a long view of history.
55 posted on 09/30/2003 9:24:00 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Dog
God bless this Pope.

(from a Prod)
56 posted on 09/30/2003 9:24:58 AM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: bondserv
I have consulted my Pastor on many spiritual issues, and fully respect his spiritual discernment

Your pastor is, no doubt, someone you selected, and you consider yourself free to walk away from him as soon as your own reading of Scripture convinces you that your "personal consultation" of the "Holy Spirit" is telling you to. That's what St. Paul calls "following itching ears," and is neither the obedience nor the submission commanded by Hebrews 13:17.

to avoid slipping back into the dark ages

You know, its funny, but you reveal yourself by that comment. The term "Dark Ages" was coined by the un-Christian so-called "Enlightenment" to describe an era when Christian faith, not the worship of Mammon, was the guiding light of every facet of society.

Well, 200+ years on into that "Enlightenment", we're living in the real Dark Ages, pal. Look around you. They're here, now. More than 100 million lives sacrificed to Communist atheism and Nazi paganism. 50 million lives sacrificed to hedonism on the altar of abortion in this country alone.

Doesn't seem very "enlightened" to me.

57 posted on 09/30/2003 9:28:05 AM PDT by Campion
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To: kinghorse
What do you think?

Consider yourself a Jew in 1941 Poland. ALL of your friends and family are being carted off to die. You're next. Is it the end of the world?

Consider yourself a peasant in dark-age Europe. You've never travelled more than 10 miles away from your village. Plague has just killed 95% of the people in your village, and as far as you know the rest of the world is dead. Is it the end of the world?

Times are hard now, but others have had (and many do now have) it harder than we do here in the USA in 2003. I believe the End will come, but I'm not joining the tin foil brigade just because Today is worse than Yesterday.

58 posted on 09/30/2003 9:28:48 AM PDT by Fudd
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To: Delbert; firebrand
I think he has hung in there because he understands what is to come and knows that God has a job for him to do. Perhaps he has realized that his job is done.

He said in one of the books he wrote that he believes that the apostate pope will be either the one that follows him or the one after that. Another reason why he has tried to stack the bishops with those who think like he does.
59 posted on 09/30/2003 9:29:56 AM PDT by ShakeNJake
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To: ShakeNJake
He said in one of the books he wrote that he believes that the apostate pope will be either the one that follows him or the one after that.

Citation?

60 posted on 09/30/2003 9:33:17 AM PDT by Campion
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