Skip to comments.Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones and Structures Near Western Cuba
Posted on 09/30/2003 4:50:43 PM PDT by glock rocks
Back in 2000, Paulina Zelitsky had been contracted to take ocean current temperatures at various depths for a global warming study and was working in the waters northeast of Cabo San Antonio offshore from the Guanacahabibes Peninsula. That peninsula is geologically anomalous compared to the rest of Cuba and geologists think it originated from the continental margin of the Yucatan Peninsula. Both have lots of porous limestone mixed with bentonite clay and extremely fine sand. What stunned Paulina about the unexpected structures on the sea floor were the 90 degree angles and regular spacing of large objects as deep as 2200 feet.
Dr. Manuel Iturralde, Ph.D., Geologist at the National Museum of Natural History in Havana, presented a scientific paper about his examination of the side scan sonar images and videos of the stone structures referred to as megalithic because they seem to be shaped or molded.
Paulina Zelitsky knows Cuban and Caribbean archaeological histories because one of ADC International's business services is to look for underwater shipwrecks, treasures and artifacts. Paulina had discovered in late 1998 the 100-year-old battleship, The Maine, that blew up mysteriously in 1898, killed 260 American sailors and set off the Spanish-American War. So when she saw the Cuban side scan sonar images with 90 degree angles and long, straight corridors, she thought of Meso American architecture and places like Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan might have been the largest city on Earth 2,000 years ago. Archaeologists estimate that nearly a quarter of a million people inhabited houses, apartments and palaces covering almost ten square miles on the northeast outskirts of what we know today to be Mexico City.
Teotihuacan was dominated by the 15-story-high Pyramid of the Sun and the Pyramid of the Moon, plus the smaller but intricately carved Pyramid of Quetzacoatl. Aztecs did not discover Teotihuacan until the 1400s and gave the mysterious place the name "Teotihuacan," which in the Aztec language meant "City of the Gods" The Aztecs were impressed by the city's size, splendor and the huge rectangular rocks that fit closely together in its buildings and pyramids.
Teotihuacan's most important religious structures were concentrated in the ceremonial center of the city, an area about two square miles in size. A great avenue ran north south for three miles with buildings arranged symmetrically on either side while other streets intersected going east and west in a perpendicular grid pattern. The pyramid sizes ranged from 492 (Moon) to 738 feet (Sun) bases and rose as high as 210 feet.
Those dimensions are similar to the estimated sizes of some of the deep underwater megalithic structures ADC International, Inc. has on sonar images. On videotape, there are also singular, large, granite-like stones that are curved with an unidentified line detail, or squared off, or one that seems to be a pyramid-shape rising up out of a rectangular stone.
Paul Weinzweig, Partner with Paulina Zelitsky, Advanced Digital Communications International, Inc., Havana, Cuba: "We're still very interested and excited about the initial finds that we made in cooperation with Dr. Iturralde. He's taken a respectable conservative, but intelligent, approach: 'We don't know what it is, but it doesn't look like geology to us.'
Where we stand really is that we have the sonar images which show architectural types of structures with geometry, perpendicular lines, symmetries, that one does not tend to find in nature and are not repeated anywhere else in the region. They are extensive and large and we have video, but is suggestive because the stones that we have videotaped are very large, very smooth. They do not belong to the local geology at all, according to our ocean bottom survey work and to Dr. Iturralde. And the stones appear to have some aspects of cut and polished features.
Paulina and I do feel that we have found something remarkable. Our intuition tells us in addition to the data that we have that there is a good chance that there was some remarkable civilization on an island many thousands of years ago to the west of present day Cuba.
AND THE SIZES OF WHAT DR. ITURRALDE CALLS MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES DO YOU HAVE BETTER ESTIMATES ON WHAT THE LENGTH, WIDTH AND HEIGHT OF THOSE RECTANGULAR STRUCTURES WOULD BE?
According to our estimates, the sonar images are up to 150 to 200 meters (492 to 656 feet) in length and maybe up to 50 to 100 meters (164 to 328 feet) in width. So they are very large structures.
ABOUT HOW HIGH?
Well, it's difficult to say because what we see is only above the sandy soil of the ocean bottom. That could be up to 15 to 20 meters, but there could be extensive structures below the loose sand, white sand on the ocean bottom.
WHEN PAULINA WAS DESCRIBING ONE OF THE CROSSED OVALS AT LEAST ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS THOUGHT MIGHT BE ON ONE OF THOSE, WAS IT ON ONE OF THE MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES OR WAS IT ON A SINGLE, SEPARATED STONE?
It was on what we call the word 'megalith' is used to describe both the structures and the individual stones that are part of the structures. The stones are also very large.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THEM?
They could be 10 to 15 feet high.
BY ABOUT WHAT WIDTH?
5 to 10 feet wide. We did not videotape many of these stones, so we have a few samples. But they are very large and some of them appear to be fitted that is, one on top of the other in a comfortable position.
AND IN FITTINGS, WOULD IT LOOK SORT OF LIKE STONEHENGE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION OR?
That's right. Not so long, but certainly more square, more rounded, more perpendicular. As I say, the entire ocean bottom in that region is simply white sand with a few outcroppings of blackened limestone. By the way, when limestone is blackened, it's because of contact with oxygen. So, that also suggests the area was once above sea water. These things (megalithic structures) just appear out of nowhere that look like granite. Because there is no granite on Cuba. Cuba is a limestone similar to the Yucatan. It's mostly limestone, the whole area is limestone.
WHAT ABOUT THAT PYRAMIDAL SHAPE THAT WAS IN THE IMAGE OF PAULINA LOOKING AT THE COMPUTER MONITOR?
That's a stone. It's one of the stones.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE PYRAMIDAL SHAPED?
Yes. Yeah, it has a shape that doesn't appear often in nature. It's not a shape one would expect to see in nature.
IN TERMS OF THE ROBOT YOU HAD HOPED YOU COULD GET DOWN THERE WITH MAYBE ONE OF THE ADVANCED SPACE ROBOTS THAT COULD GO AND DRILL INTO SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE?
We are discussing a proposal with National Geographic right now to do a preliminary survey using our own technology, but a more extensive survey than we've done before and on the basis of those findings, to decide whether to go forward or not. If we do go forward, of course, it would be with more advanced technology.
ARE YOU NOW CLOSER FOR NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC TO HELP WITH SOME FUNDING AND EQUIPMENT HERE?
They would like to send their own camera, their own person down, on our ship to validate what we've found and to get a little more information that would support a more strongly the hypothesis that there was a civilization there. And then they would, of course, take the next step which would be a more serious financial and logistical effort.
Then it's a matter of timing their people have to be ready, we have to be ready. We have to have all permits and approvals in place. The weather has to be right. The season has to be right. It's a complex scenario, you know?
WOULD YOU THINK THE SPRING OR SUMMER OF 2004 MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME?
Yes, that sounds very possible.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER DATA THAT HAS SUPPORTED THE POSSIBLE HYPOTHESIS THAT THERE MIGHT BE METAL COATINGS ON SOME OF THE MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES?
It's possible from our sonar images that there could be metal because the darker the image, the more dense the material. So we do have but again, this is only hypothetical and would need to be verified by visual probes, by an ROV and cameras and good lighting. The area is quite extensive, spread out over several kilometers and really we've barely touched it in terms of video probes.
IS IT TRUE THAT THE MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES COVER ABOUT 10 SQUARE KILOMETERS?
Could be more.
THAT'S A BIG AREA.
It is very extensive. We don't know the full extent of it because we haven't analyzed all of the data from the region. We have a great deal of side scan sonar data and this is just one area that we've done in-depth analysis."
To be continued in Part 2.
I'll say. Thanks for the posting.
1. A year or two ago we read that The National Geographic Society was donating $2M to this search. I've read that the US State Department nixed that effort due to the companys' affilation with the communist government of Cuba.
2. Dr Robert Schoch (Geogolist/Geophysist) said in his recent book, Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, that from what he had seen up to that point, that he thought these were natural structures.
3. Plato mentioned that The Alantians had a metal (gold/copper alloy), forgot the name he used, but, a copper/gold alloy occurs naturally in the area of Teotihuacan and no where else in the world.
Yup. The end of the Ice Age.
My theory: During the Ice Age the Gulf Of Mexico became blocked off from the oceans of the world when they were 300-500ft lower than they are presently. During that time of blockage, the Gulf Of Mexico dried up to become a large lake and someone build a city on the coast of that lake.
Then the ice melt from the Ice Age caused the world's oceans to rise, the 'dam' was breached and the 'lake' became a gulf again and now we have a city 1/2 mile under water. This happened to the Black Sea (Noah's Flood?) and some say to the Mediterranean also. (Probably a lot of other places around the world too)
Here is a map of the world's oceans with the water level reduced by about 300ft. Now, Imagine that map with the water level reduced by 500ft. Interesting things begin to happen around Cuba, Bahamas and the Yuchatan.
"Ahhh, these are just naturally forming structures...given enough time, algae can assemble a Chevy Caprice in my backyard swimming pool...nothing to see here....let's move on...and even if they're man-made...they mighta been constructed to time yearly planting cycles to an accuracy of .000000000001% of a day's length. Corn is a tricky crop yaknow."
Looks like there could have been (if not a land bridge) some easy island hopping from the Yukutan to Cuba.
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If you can see the image, the triangular object looks like the corner of a rectangular piece of material that fell there recently. Doesn't look old at all.
Orichalcum axe head from Tiwanaku, an alloy of gold and copper with a small amount of arsenic.
From Plato, "Orichalcum was the second most valuable metal then known. It could be polished and sparkled like red fire."
Thanks for the ping! lol!
It was something you said almost two years ago, dear
"Actually, I've heard that NG is now out of the loop because they wanted too much control over the project. Zelitski and Weinzweig are going at this with alternative funding at this time."
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Natural formations, probably, but no, I’d not heard. I thought (when I saw the ping) that this was a new topic about it. :’)
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