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Media groups concerned by Justice Dept. investigation of CIA leak; prepared to oppose subpoenas
Associated Press ^ | 09-30-03

Posted on 09/30/2003 5:40:55 PM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:09 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Media organizations prepared Tuesday to oppose any efforts by the Justice Department to subpoena journalists and their notes to learn who leaked the identity of an undercover CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak.

Subpoenas could be challenged on the basis of First Amendment guarantees of freedom of the press, said Bill Felber, editor of The Manhattan (Kan.) Mercury and freedom of information chairman for the Associated Press Managing Editors. But they could also be challenged, he said, if they were too broad or if the information could be obtained in other ways.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: answer; coverup; dossier; epic; glenrangwala; huttoninquiry; iraq; leftists; mcgovern; mediabias; mediaschadenfreude; mediots; nigerflap; rangwala; raymcgovern; ukdossier; vips; wilson
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This is going to be "sweeeeeet"!
1 posted on 09/30/2003 5:40:56 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
I agree.

It's about time too. Anonymous sources have undermined news organizations to where they are mere puppets of politicos.

(Or, wholly owned subsidaries, when it comes to the Democrats)

2 posted on 09/30/2003 5:42:37 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Brian S
Translation: We want to be free to tear down the Bush Administration, without being questioned about silly little things like proof and stuff. SPeculation rumour, and anonymous sources are much more efficient...
3 posted on 09/30/2003 5:43:31 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
BINGO! With rules like this, the media can make up any claim they want and never have to reveal their sources. Deepthroat.
4 posted on 09/30/2003 5:45:16 PM PDT by cwb
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To: cwboelter
Heck, they don't even have to release the info given by the sources. They can twist it and spin it their way, and then hide behind the Constitution-Cloak...
5 posted on 09/30/2003 5:46:39 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Brian S
Who's responsible for the idiotic keyword?
6 posted on 09/30/2003 5:46:58 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; William McKinley
Let me get this straight.

At first they want to lynch Rove and GW for leaking.

Now that GW has called for an investigation re who really did the leaking, they are against it.

If the left wing American Media just disappeared tonight at Midnight, the entire world would be better off.
7 posted on 09/30/2003 5:48:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Cindy; Grampa Dave
Priceless.
8 posted on 09/30/2003 5:49:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
It's a joke. Let's hope the sheeple catch on to this because this "protection" literally makes these people the most powerful people in America.
9 posted on 09/30/2003 5:50:51 PM PDT by cwb
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To: Grampa Dave
Bingo! You nailed it on all counts.

Of course, my theory is that the media is fighting this to protect the democrats from embarrassment because they KNOW that it was a Clinton-Holdover who allegedly spilled this info...
10 posted on 09/30/2003 5:50:54 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Peach; Mo1; Dog; Dog Gone; Shermy; Miss Marple; Howlin; nopardons; PhilDragoo; hchutch
Isn't this a great turn around?

At first they were ready to lynch Rove and GW without a trial for supposedly leaking about Wilson's Plame.

Now, that a real investigation is starting, they are against it.

The lies and duplicity of the left wing mediot rats is beyond any description.
11 posted on 09/30/2003 5:51:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: piasa
Who's responsible for the idiotic keyword?

Not I! I don't do "keywords"...

12 posted on 09/30/2003 5:52:32 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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To: cwboelter
Heh. Well, maybe every single one of us can create little 'media' outlets, legally, providing us all with the same protection? ;0)

13 posted on 09/30/2003 5:52:32 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Grampa Dave
I just read that a few minutes ago and was so disgusted I started playing computer backgammon and only checked in here for a second.

Hypocrites, all of them.
14 posted on 09/30/2003 5:52:47 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: cwboelter
Isn't this fun.

The left wing mediots start out to lynch Rove and GW, and now we get to cheer as they are investigated.
15 posted on 09/30/2003 5:52:59 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
A Clinton Holdover who was operating under instructions from the Clintoons and probably financed by George Soros.

Or he was being blackmailed by the Clintoons for some personal acts he did too often.
16 posted on 09/30/2003 5:54:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Grampa Dave
No, it would be as W.T. Sherman noted: If I had them all (reporters) shot this afternoon there would be news from hell by breakfast.
17 posted on 09/30/2003 5:54:40 PM PDT by RJS1950
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To: Grampa Dave
The Democrats only want the issue. They certainly don't want it resolved.
18 posted on 09/30/2003 5:56:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RJS1950
This is absolutely great!

No, it would be as W.T. Sherman noted: If I had them all (reporters) shot this afternoon there would be news from hell by breakfast.

19 posted on 09/30/2003 5:56:40 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Grampa Dave
That sounds about right - a political appointee or holdover who's FBI FIle is in Hillary's desk, perhaps?
20 posted on 09/30/2003 5:56:54 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: piasa
Ping the admin moderator. They keep track of who imputs key words.

You just caught a troll using keywords!
21 posted on 09/30/2003 5:57:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Grampa Dave
They are disgusting maggots.
22 posted on 09/30/2003 5:58:11 PM PDT by cwb
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To: Brian S
I like it.

The media would love to screw Bush (Big Time) and this is actually their chance if, -IF,- the White House is behind the leak.

They have to decide is short term gain("getting" Bush) worth the possible long term consequences (anonymous sources would clam up).

23 posted on 09/30/2003 5:58:44 PM PDT by NEPA
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To: Admin Moderator
Keyword Troll is back...
24 posted on 09/30/2003 5:59:41 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I made that possible connection yesterday after reading Wolfstar's transcript of Wilson talking to Moyers earlier this year and defending what GW planned to do.

Then Shazaam! He turns like a certain former Marine UN Inspector did and became anti Bush and anti the war in Iraq.

$inator Hildebea$t probably has some great FBI files and pictures of him. Since he is not an Episcopal Bishop, he would have do what was asked of him.
25 posted on 09/30/2003 6:00:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Brian S
Givem enough rope and they will hang themselves G.W.B. is like the Road Runner

MEEP MEEP ZOOOOOOOOOOM


26 posted on 09/30/2003 6:00:58 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("If guns kill people, where are mine hiding the bodies.")
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To: Grampa Dave; seamole
This is a national security case I would think they could be compelled to comply with the subpoenas...
27 posted on 09/30/2003 6:01:47 PM PDT by Dog (This wednesday is my birthday and I officially become older than dirt....)
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To: Grampa Dave
SO, based on the available info, we both reached a similar conclusion... sounds about right LOL
28 posted on 09/30/2003 6:01:47 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: cwboelter
Now, you are starting to sound like me, calling them maggots.
29 posted on 09/30/2003 6:02:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Brian S
But if the press thinks that finding those who leaked is important for the good of the country, and the good of the country includes a free press, then it stands to reason that in this case, where leakers were said to be so dastardly, where the press cried about the damage the leaker did to national security, that the press would eagerly join forces with the DOJ to try to catch the culprit and save "countless operative's lives" , helping to preserve their own security in the process. I mean, this is their country too and if the country goes down, they go down.

Now all the sudden they think their sources are more important than all those operatives' lives that Plamed, are important than America itself?

(/sarcasm)

30 posted on 09/30/2003 6:02:56 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Brian S
My guess is the leak is Plame herself. Novak probably just asked a couple of White House officials if they would deny she was an agent, and they didn't.
31 posted on 09/30/2003 6:03:34 PM PDT by Toskrin
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To: Dog Gone
I think you are correct.........they want this as a issue.........they don't want this fully investigated.
32 posted on 09/30/2003 6:03:44 PM PDT by Dog (This wednesday is my birthday and I officially become older than dirt....)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Dog; Grampa Dave
HA! Now we know why Chuckie Schumer and the rest were wanting an independent counsel. They KNOW that the leaks came from Rats, or were manufactured.

Subpoenas all around, I say! Let's here who the evil leaker was! HA!

33 posted on 09/30/2003 6:04:22 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Wolfstar
We are not by ourselves.

Yesterday, Wolfstar reposted her original thread on Wilson's interview earlier this year before the invasion. Hell, he made a great case for Regime Change.

Then he turned into a PMS stricken Pit Bull full of hatred for GW.

When a man turns that fast, one of the first possibilities is that he has been compromised. Then, he has become the PMS Stricken Pit Bull who attacks on command by those who have the black mail data.
34 posted on 09/30/2003 6:05:13 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Miss Marple
No, that's the thing - the rats don't want an independent counsel - they know America is fed up with IC's, so they are merely posturing...

It would almost be funny if the repubs said "Ok, let's get an Independent Counsel!"... aaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha
36 posted on 09/30/2003 6:06:10 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Grampa Dave
I sincerely hope Wilson hasn't been hanging out at Burger King while his wife was off being Secret Agent Woman ;0)
37 posted on 09/30/2003 6:06:57 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (I like my women like I like my coffee - Hot, and in a big cup)
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To: Grampa Dave
What worries journalists is that any attempt to ask them to give up their notes and sources could dissuade future whistle-blowers from coming forward, said APME President Ed Jones, editor of The Free Lance-Star of Fredericksburg, Va.

"The record is clear that leaks certainly are messy as seen by government administrators, but the track record of those leaks producing very important public information is extensive," Jones said. "It would be unfortunate if there's a chilling effect. And I think there would be a chilling effect. Anonymity, confidentiality would be compromised."

Ah. I see that what they really mean is that THEIR sources are a sacred trust, but Novak's sources are not and should be investigated.

38 posted on 09/30/2003 6:07:10 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: seamole; Grampa Dave; Miss Marple
Who are the freeper lawyers?

We need to ask one of them if the media can be compelled to answer the subpoena.

39 posted on 09/30/2003 6:07:48 PM PDT by Dog (This wednesday is my birthday and I officially become older than dirt....)
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To: Brian S
I guess the Media thinks enemas are for everybody else...
40 posted on 09/30/2003 6:08:13 PM PDT by ctonious
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To: Grampa Dave
As Alice in Wonderland said, "curiouser and curiouser."

I think this is going to blow up in their faces big time. I can hardly wait...
41 posted on 09/30/2003 6:10:15 PM PDT by livius
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To: Brian S
"Leak investigations themselves invariably fail," Abrams said. "Sources rarely come forward to acknowledge that they provided information and journalists never do."

Only true in the USA.

I guess Ashcroft isn't the tyrant the com symps make him out to be after all.

42 posted on 09/30/2003 6:10:30 PM PDT by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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To: Grampa Dave
You're a bad influence:)
43 posted on 09/30/2003 6:15:26 PM PDT by cwb
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To: Brian S
freedom of the press does not allow the press to invoke fighting words like shouting "bomb" in a building. It gives them no cover for sedition, libel, fraud, and the like. It gives them no protection as accessories to the fact and after the fact in outing a Cia operative in the press. Given they'd like to barbeque the administration, there is no reason not to name names. That they haven't credibly done so should tell us all something. At any rate, I'd put it to the press that they are accessories and as many of them as need be will be jailed for breach of national security and prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law - and they will sing or face anything else that can be piled on.
44 posted on 09/30/2003 6:15:27 PM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Miss Marple
Isn't this fun now versus early yesterday!
45 posted on 09/30/2003 6:17:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (May our brave warriors kill all of the Islamokazis/facists/nazis to prevent future 9/11's.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Ping the admin moderator. They keep track of who imputs key words.

No they don't, or I would have been shafted a looooong time ago. ;)

Oh, and it wasn't me this time.

46 posted on 09/30/2003 6:19:15 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Grampa Dave
BAWAHAHAHA .. Priceless ..
47 posted on 09/30/2003 6:19:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Grampa Dave
These Wilson threads are certainly turning out to be long and lively.
48 posted on 09/30/2003 6:20:03 PM PDT by cwb
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To: Grampa Dave
APRIL 2003 early : (EPIC aka "EDUCATION FOR PEACE IN IRAQ CENTER: LAUNCHES PETITION DRIVE TO TRY TO KEEP FUNDING FOR IRAQ HUMANITARIAN AID AND RECONSTRUCTION OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE US MILITARY - AND INTO THE HANDS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT ) Another group, the Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC) this week launched the latest of numerous online petition drives, calling on their supporters to flood Congress with e-mails calling on legislators keep funding for Iraq humanitarian and reconstruction out of the hands the US military. "The State Department, in partnership with the UN and our allies, is the appropriate authority for US funds related to post-war Iraq," EPIC said in an action email sent to supporters. - Source : Agence France-Presse, April 10, 2003

(* My note : EPIC was created by Erik Gustafson in 1998,)

Erik Gustafson is a veteran of the Gulf War and founder of the Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC). In 1997 and 2000, he witnessed firsthand Iraq's humanitarian crisis. In 1998, he founded EPIC, an organization that works to improve humanitarian conditions and human rights in Iraq. He has testified at congressional briefings, policy forums and has delivered lectures across North America on Iraq. His letters and opinion pieces have appeared in The New York Times, LA Times and USA Today ) - Source : "EPIC 2003 Iraq Forum Online," EPIC website

MAY 23, 2003 : (FORMER AMBASSADOR WILSON DONATES TO DEMOCRAT JOHN KERRY'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN) Wilson, Joseph C 5/23/2003 $1,000.00 Washington, DC 20007 JC Wilson International Ventures/Bu -[Contribution] JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC.- From Drudgereport - 404 posted on 09/29/2003 4:42 PM PDT by NYC Republican

JUNE 14, 2003 : (WASHINGTON, DC : EPIC : IRAQ FORUM EVENING KEYNOTE LECTURE "A STATE OF THE MOVEMENT ADDRESS" BY RAY MCGOVERN OF THE GROUP "VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONS FOR SANITY" AND FORMER AMBASSADOR WILSON)- Source : "EPIC 2003 Iraq Forum Online," EPIC website

49 posted on 09/30/2003 6:20:40 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Dog
Who are the freeper lawyers?

I am not a lawyer, and I don't play one on tv, but from what I understand of the Supreme Court ruling, the reporters are protected only to a certain extent. The investigators are to use all other channels to investigate the story. Once that is exhausted, they can call in the reporter and try to compel them to testify. A judge at that point will rule if the evidence supports a crime being committed and the reporter having factual knowledge of the crime. At that point a judge can make the person testify or go to jail. Most journalists do go to jail, but then after a couple weeks, the judge lets them out.

This is a unique case, involving CIA/National Security. So, I don't know if Novak, or the other 2 Newsday reporters would be let out of jail at that point. I think this will come down to this. How serious is Novak? I think the only one to go to jail will probably be him, unless he gives it up.

50 posted on 09/30/2003 6:25:04 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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