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'Free staters' pick New Hampshire to liberate for sex, guns and drugs
Guardian ^ | October 1, 2003 | Joanna Walters

Posted on 09/30/2003 7:24:17 PM PDT by Dan Evans

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Project members are mostly men and in their 20s and 30s. Many own small businesses and half of them have a university degree, with 18% possessing doctorates and 40% earning more than £40,000 a year.

But it's all about sex, drugs and guns. Right.

1 posted on 09/30/2003 7:24:21 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Haven't we seen this before?
2 posted on 09/30/2003 7:30:52 PM PDT by visualops (HAM AND EGGS: a day's work for a chicken; a lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: visualops
No, I don't think so.

The Guardian seems to think they have an inside track on the election results.
3 posted on 09/30/2003 7:37:43 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
When I first read about FSP, it sounded like a wonderful proposal to return to the original intent for life under the U.S. Constitution.

You're right, it's degenerated already into sex and drugs. But then the young Republic was surely exposed to brothels and alcohol. But the culture of bars, inns and saloons was quite different from one of opium dens.
4 posted on 09/30/2003 7:38:26 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Dan Evans
Other states on the list included Alaska

It is well they chose New Hampshire. Good luck to them, they'll need it.

5 posted on 09/30/2003 7:39:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Dan Evans
"I specified on my membership form that I would move when they had legalised the cultivation of marijuana. I'm hoping that this will be one of the first things on their agenda..."

Ok, whichever one of you libertarian Freepers who is quoted here please identify yourself.

6 posted on 09/30/2003 7:39:45 PM PDT by gg188
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To: Dan Evans
Best Wishes to the True Americans in our society.

7 posted on 09/30/2003 7:54:16 PM PDT by LaraCroft (Oct. 7 - Vote Arnold or Be Responsible for BustaMecHA being elected.)
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To: RightWhale
I'm wondering if the Guardian does know if New Hampshire was chosen. Wyoming and New Hampshire were the major contenders. They may have prepared two articles so they can release the correct one tomorrow morning.
8 posted on 09/30/2003 7:55:10 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
At the local Dennys, there was to be a meeting of all the people who were gonna move. Half the people refused to attend because the meeting was statist and the other half were to stoned to make it.
9 posted on 09/30/2003 7:59:24 PM PDT by Drango (In splitting the Republican vote, McClintock is the new SoreLoserman.)
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To: Hostage
I can't believe that a lot of people are going to move to another state just so they can smoke dope. If they wanted to do that, they could just move to San Fransisco -- it has a better climate. The median income seems to be around $60,000 so they can't all be dopers.
10 posted on 09/30/2003 7:59:46 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: visualops
Continually and it isn't going to work in New Hampshire. LOL
11 posted on 09/30/2003 8:02:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Dan Evans
You're wasting your time talking sense to these people.

Far too many freepers don't even tak about freedom anymore, they're yearning for some sort of government control. The idea of liberty scares most freepers just as bad as it scares liberals. Then there's the percentage that will actually mock attempts to find or regain freedom.

Can you believe that? Here on FR there are posters who mock those seeking greater liberty. They are too stupid to be ashamed of themselves.

12 posted on 09/30/2003 8:12:13 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: visualops
Jason Sorens said over on the FSP forums that this article is "wrong" and he has contacted the Guardian editors. I'm sure the characterization of the project is wrong, I know enough people who are part of it and none are motivated primarily by a desire to use drugs legally. I don't think he is either confirming or denying that NH has been chosen. Well know in a few hours one way or another. If it's NOT N.H. one news source has a lot of egg on their face.
13 posted on 09/30/2003 8:14:29 PM PDT by Jack Black
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'Membership of the Free State Project rocketed after an article in Playboy this year'

The press never ceases to amaze me.
14 posted on 09/30/2003 8:17:59 PM PDT by Bogey78O (The Clinton's have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured/killed -Peach)
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To: Eagle Eye
Here on FR there are posters who mock those seeking greater liberty. They are too stupid to be ashamed of themselves.

Well, some of the FSP advocates--on and off Free Republic--haven't helped any.

Bottom line: the FSP concept has some issues that have not been addressed, that can adversely impact the chances of success.

The reaction of longtime residents to a bunch of outsiders showing up and throwing their weight around in the political arena is one area that hasn't been examined at all. If it isn't handled with a lot of skill, the newcomers may discover that the pre-existing residents will oppose them out of sheer spite.

15 posted on 09/30/2003 8:22:27 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Jack Black
They cited Playboy as a main reason why the group is successful. That should have been the first red flag. Whenever they take one event that is just one of many equal events and they make that into the crux, then you know where the editor stands.
16 posted on 09/30/2003 8:22:51 PM PDT by Bogey78O (The Clinton's have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured/killed -Peach)
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To: Jack Black
If it's NOT N.H. one news source has a lot of egg on their face.

Not that they actually CARE about that. (c8

17 posted on 09/30/2003 8:23:13 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Bogey78O
It would be really funny if, say, Montana were chosen. Oops. Kinda like declaring Gore president at 8:00 ... oh, wait, they did that too, didn't they.
18 posted on 09/30/2003 8:23:24 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Wyoming is my bet, simply because of population. 20,000 people--assuming that there's a lot of diplomacy--can have a HUGH impact on the Wyoming political landscape Montana is the 49th state in population, but it's MUCH larger than Wyoming.
19 posted on 09/30/2003 8:26:02 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Eagle Eye
I don't understand why there isn't more interest in this. I mean hundreds of Californians are packing up and leaving the state because of a runaway government. Why move twice?
20 posted on 09/30/2003 8:26:22 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
Who the heck leaked this, I was going to go to the announcement tomorrow just to see the spectacle. Now I already know the end of the movie.

(Or is it the beginning...)

21 posted on 09/30/2003 8:32:37 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Dan Evans
"A British member, Matthew Hurry, a 24-year-old computer technician from Brighton,
was already preparing to move to the chosen state. "It's one of the few good ideas I've
seen actually put into practice with a good chance of success. Freedom is important for
people, and the western world is severely lacking in it," he said.

What makes a foreigner like you think you can move to America and intrude
on our politcal landscape? Only Mexican foreigners are allowed to do that.

22 posted on 09/30/2003 8:39:29 PM PDT by StormEye
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Geez...I felt confused for a moment, since they're not announcing until tomorrow. The guardian must have rooted someone out...since it's not like we had exit polling.
23 posted on 09/30/2003 8:41:36 PM PDT by Katya
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To: Katya
Well, I was in an exit poll just the other day!

I responded that I use the exit to leave a building.
24 posted on 09/30/2003 8:42:32 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Jack Black
OK, I should adopt Lazamataz's tagline (posting without reading since 3/25/1999) Could you give the link to the actual thread where the Sorens stated so.

In all reality, there are thousands of men who can pick up and leave their lives in New England and Quebec and move to New Hampshire. Once UNH is known as FSP Uni, the sex and drugs crowd that goes to UV Burlington and other Vermont and Maine and Upstate Colleges will all in the future be headed for the FSP Uni's of NH. This (publicly funded higher-ed) has never been mentioned, to my knowledge.

I haven't signed up, but I already have friends and family who live or own property in NH or Western Maine just so they can live free. A decision of NH is anti-climatic, personally.
25 posted on 09/30/2003 8:43:56 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander ((posting without reading since 3/25/1999))
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To: Dan Evans
Why am I reminded of the ill-fated "Children's Crusade"?
26 posted on 09/30/2003 8:54:01 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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"Freedom is important for people, and the western world is severely lacking in it," he said."

And WHERE does he think freedom is greater?
27 posted on 09/30/2003 9:44:05 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: Dan Evans
My best advice to the Staters:

Buy lots of long underwear and a good battery for the car.

It will take awhile for the natives to accept you.

Wages are basically low. Don't expect the good life. But for all that it is a very good life....like going back 20 years. It's still family oriented, they still discipline their children. They're basically good, salt of the earth types with a few real dussies thrown in...mostly Canadian migrants of 80 years ago.

I'm glad someone is going to stop the lefty direction that they state is sliding into. We can thank Massachusetts emigres for that. Lot's of cool Mass folks too...don't tar them all with the same brush.

I'm envious. I enjoyed living there.
28 posted on 09/30/2003 9:52:48 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Poohbah
The reaction of longtime residents to a bunch of outsiders showing up and throwing their weight around in the political arena is one area that hasn't been examined at all.

'california' kinda sprang to mind..
29 posted on 09/30/2003 10:54:13 PM PDT by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: Poohbah
Well, some of the FSP advocates--on and off Free Republic--haven't helped any.

You are certainly correct there. but that seems to be the case with any movement, there are those that don't fit in with the mainstream.

Bottom line: the FSP concept has some issues that have not been addressed, that can adversely impact the chances of success.

Of course. But there is also the 'analysis paralysis' angle on this. There is no way to iron out all the known variables, let alone the unknowns.

The reaction of longtime residents to a bunch of outsiders showing up and throwing their weight around in the political arena is one area that hasn't been examined at all. If it isn't handled with a lot of skill, the newcomers may discover that the pre-existing residents will oppose them out of sheer spite.

You have a good point, but one that is not without precident.

In Colorado there has been so many Californians move in that there were bumper stickers that said "De-Californiate Colorado". The inflated property values in CA allowed people to cash out, buy luxury homes in CO, inflate property valuse and the tax base, and then bitch about how 'back in CA...' they did this or that. These are the same people that buy country homes then bitch about the farm animals. These are the ones that leave a place then immediately try to recreate the conditions that made them leave in the first place.

In Florida, "We don't care how you did it up north". People frequently move in and make no attempt to fit in, but try to make others fit in to their ideas. Trust me, it wasn't the Southerners in Florida that voted to protect pregnant pigs but not pregnant humans.

I wish all FSP'ers well in their experiment and quest. I don't want to be compared to the naysayers that stood on the docks in England mocking the Pilgrims.

30 posted on 10/01/2003 6:39:48 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: Dan Evans
C-SPAN said they will have a camera there for the announcement, 10:00AM BUMP.
31 posted on 10/01/2003 6:59:46 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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Looks like they are going to the House, on C-SPAN1, 2 has the Senate, and 3 has some taped program. I guess it will be taped.
32 posted on 10/01/2003 7:05:24 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: Eagle Eye
We've got the same kind of "Californication" going on here in Austin, TX as well. Of course, Austin has always been a tad on the liberal side, but it has gotten downright ridiculous. The way taxes have been going up, it is actually becoming economicaly feasible for me to move back to high-tax Minnesota just to save money! Go figure.
33 posted on 10/01/2003 7:09:22 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dan Evans
Free State Project Picks New Hampshire

(Official Press Release)

34 posted on 10/01/2003 7:13:32 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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I wished they picked Delaware.
35 posted on 10/01/2003 7:14:42 AM PDT by Tribune7
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I wished they picked Delaware.

Yup, much warmer, and you would be able to walk there. ;-)

36 posted on 10/01/2003 7:22:16 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: StriperSniper
'Live Free or Die' is an excellent start!
37 posted on 10/01/2003 7:25:18 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: StriperSniper
:-)
38 posted on 10/01/2003 7:28:15 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: headsonpikes
'Live Free or Die' is an excellent start!

Oh for sure! I'm not committed, for personal reasons at the momment, but by the time it really gets rolling, I should be able to get with the program. I have spent all of about one hour in NH, but I liked the people I met. I had to take a ride up there and back last year from Jersey. There was a bar/resturant next to the gas station so I popped in for a quick one before the return leg. At first I got some looks in the small town place when a stranger with a Joisey accent ordered a Sam, but ended up BS'ing about the local fishing scene wih a couple guys sitting next to me.

New Hampshire may not have as good a NASCAR track as Delaware, and the 'Stripuh' season is much shorter, but it was #2 on my personal list, and probably the best one for the goals.

39 posted on 10/01/2003 7:42:27 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: visualops; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; ...
Those of us on the FSP *Porcupine ping list*, aka PorcuPing, haven't.

-archy-/-

40 posted on 10/01/2003 8:02:47 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Dan Evans
No, I don't think so.

The Guardian seems to think they have an inside track on the election results.

There doesn't seem to be anything posted at the Free State Project website yet, at least as of 0900 FRee Republic time.

I'd hardly be surprised if NH turns out to be the choice, though pre-election polling indicated that WY was favoured by those most likely to make the move.

-archy-/-

41 posted on 10/01/2003 8:06:06 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
NH was my vote...<> now, I am really on the hook!
42 posted on 10/01/2003 8:09:04 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: Dan Evans
Project members are mostly men and in their 20s and 30s. Many own small businesses and half of them have a university degree, with 18% possessing doctorates and 40% earning more than £40,000 a year.

But it's all about sex, drugs and guns. Right.

You forgot rock & roll. But quite a few of us are also either veterans of military service or current active-duty military personnel, including what I believe to be a few more of the female members of the group than would be the usual representation in such a cross-section. Several of the *both spouses* porcupine families are composed of a husband and wife who are both serving in the military.

A couple of such situations in which one of the two [or both!] is now on duty in Iraq or Afghanistan caused a problem or two in getting their votes for the state selection made via proxy. But the Porcupines are a resourceful lot.

FYI, I'm in my mid-50s, and I've run across fellow FSPers of all ages, so take the view that they're *mostly* 20 or 30-something males with a grain or two of salt as well.

-archy-/-

43 posted on 10/01/2003 8:14:34 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: JohnGalt
NH was my vote...<> now, I am really on the hook!

See ya in the Free State, Mr. New Hampsterland Porcupine.

-archy-/-

44 posted on 10/01/2003 8:15:46 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
45 posted on 10/01/2003 8:16:06 AM PDT by jmc813 (How ironic is it that Arnold turned out to be the spoiler?)
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To: JohnGalt
NH was my first choice but I got real use to the idea of Wyoming after archy said it was a strong contender. Anywhere but Jersey!
46 posted on 10/01/2003 8:16:46 AM PDT by u-89
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To: Dan Evans
Yahoo has it too

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031001/phw019_1.html

47 posted on 10/01/2003 8:21:49 AM PDT by eabinga
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To: Tribune7
I wish they had picked Washington D.C..
48 posted on 10/01/2003 8:21:50 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: gg188
Ok, whichever one of you libertarian Freepers who is quoted here please identify yourself.

Actually there are a whole bunch of FReepers who sound like the state RAT chairman...

But the New Hampshire Democratic chairwoman, Kathy Sullivan, said she considered the project "sort of a very fringe group that can best be described as anarchists".

49 posted on 10/01/2003 8:22:29 AM PDT by jmc813 (How ironic is it that Arnold turned out to be the spoiler?)
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To: Eagle Eye
In Colorado there has been so many Californians move in that there were bumper stickers that said "De-Californiate Colorado". The inflated property values in CA allowed people to cash out, buy luxury homes in CO, inflate property valuse and the tax base, and then bitch about how 'back in CA...' they did this or that. These are the same people that buy country homes then bitch about the farm animals. These are the ones that leave a place then immediately try to recreate the conditions that made them leave in the first place.

These refugies have certainly been bending CO to the left some. The saving grace might be that those inflated home prices may let me cash out in a couple of years and be debt free in the mountains somewhere.

FReegards, oh, and how about Jake Plummer?

50 posted on 10/01/2003 8:24:52 AM PDT by MileHi
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