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'Free staters' pick New Hampshire to liberate for sex, guns and drugs
Guardian ^ | October 1, 2003 | Joanna Walters

Posted on 09/30/2003 7:24:17 PM PDT by Dan Evans

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To: archy
"A libertarian movement promoting "minimalist government", the free market, drugs, prostitution and gun ownership plans to infiltrate New Hampshire to create a breakaway American regime, its leaders will announce today."

Don'tcha just love mediots.
What I found even funnier, was as hard as I tried?
I sincerely couldn't tell what the political bent of this moron was!

C'mon let's face it, the mere *thought* this kind of plan could succeed scares the bejebbers outa both sides; so, they're going to want to join forces -- if only -- for the express purpose of whacking this effort, el pronto.
This is just beginning, they're only starting to get cranked up with this type of smear & sleezy distortions.

Just imagine, fracturing the system by offering a carrot to, & then stealing away, one of their precious crown jewel minorities. One they've spent so much of their time & resources building up into a political "Frankenstein," too.
The gays.

...bwahaaaaa!!

101 posted on 10/01/2003 11:07:14 AM PDT by Landru
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To: CSM; *Wod_list
What are the people that move going to do for jobs? It would seem like an influx of 20K people would create an employment drought!

Jobs are not a physical resource that is fixed in quantity; they are contracts between producers and consumers, which flourish in a free economy. Not to mention the fact that those 20k people are consumers as well as producers.

102 posted on 10/01/2003 11:12:01 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
Yeah, yeah, I realize how my question may have sounded, but I get the gist of employment economics (just the basics). However, I have never heard of a major relocation of 20K people. I could imagine some quantity of them the entreprenurial (sp?) but not a large quantity. In the original post, I kinda took it as a short period of time for them to all move, from further reading I understand it is a slow growth situation. Much easier, people relocate and the economy grows with it.
103 posted on 10/01/2003 11:19:51 AM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: archy
I love Texas, and don't think I'll ever leave. Best wishes and y'all come back now, you hear?
104 posted on 10/01/2003 11:30:17 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: archy
Nope, I won't move to NH until global warming raises its temp to that of Miami.
105 posted on 10/01/2003 11:39:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: CSM
In the original post, I kinda took it as a short period of time for them to all move

That would cause temporary turbulence, true.

106 posted on 10/01/2003 11:54:09 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Liberal Classic
I love Texas, and don't think I'll ever leave. Best wishes and y'all come back now, you hear?

I changed my FReeper profile and didn't have the heart to keep it that wqay, not yet at least.

I reckon I'm just a Texian clodhopper at heart. You figure those New Hampster folks will get used to the hat and boots okay?

Wyoming would have presented a few less problems. But the hats there sure do have some funny shapes to 'em, expecially the bumpy dents on top instead of a neat Texas crease.

You bet I'll be back. But it was mighty rough when Austin's barbecue in Dallas closed down.

-archy-/-

107 posted on 10/01/2003 12:10:21 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
You figure those New Hampster folks will get used to the hat and boots okay?

Folks, despite the latitude, NH is a NASCAR state. The rednecks just wear parkas up here.

108 posted on 10/01/2003 12:15:46 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: MrLeRoy
"That would cause temporary turbulence, true."

Thanks for making me feel a little better. After my original questions I felt pretty stoooooopid. Sorry if my previous post seemed out of sorts, it wasn't meant to be anything but the sound of defeat. You are one of the last posters I would respond to with anger!
109 posted on 10/01/2003 12:30:26 PM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: archy
The wife and I have occasionally dreamt of Alaska, but we won't move unless the familial obligations keeping us here are fulfilled. Had Alaska been chosen, I might have given it some thought. Texas still has a freedom-loving streak that the Crats haven't managed to expunge, and it's worth fighting for. Cheers, archy, Good luch to you and your family.
110 posted on 10/01/2003 12:31:12 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: CSM
You are one of the last posters I would respond to with anger!

Because I'm such an august presence, or because I seem like I might snap at any moment? :-D

111 posted on 10/01/2003 12:32:59 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Travis McGee
>I won't move to NH until global warming raises its temp to that of Miami.

When that happens there will be less viable acreage to build on but on the bright side we'll enjoy more coast line.

112 posted on 10/01/2003 12:40:02 PM PDT by u-89
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To: MrLeRoy
Both! He, he, snicker!
113 posted on 10/01/2003 12:47:39 PM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
You figure those New Hampster folks will get used to the hat and boots okay?

Folks, despite the latitude, NH is a NASCAR state. The rednecks just wear parkas up here.

Not when we gather at Laconia/Weirs Beach every June we don't....


114 posted on 10/01/2003 12:50:27 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Liberal Classic
The wife and I have occasionally dreamt of Alaska, but we won't move unless the familial obligations keeping us here are fulfilled. Had Alaska been chosen, I might have given it some thought. Texas still has a freedom-loving streak that the Crats haven't managed to expunge, and it's worth fighting for. Cheers, archy, Good luch to you and your family.

My son's 19, and old enough to make his own decision as to eastward, westward or to stick in between where he is.

He favoured the west, as I did, and he may stick with that decision, or may give NH a try with me; his choice. Nothing's set in stone yet, and we'll see how it goes.

-archy-/-

115 posted on 10/01/2003 12:53:31 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Hopefully you Free Staters will re-legalize the outlawed phrase "show us ya t*ts!"

116 posted on 10/01/2003 12:58:32 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: archy
hey archy, will you add me to the FSP list please.
117 posted on 10/01/2003 1:06:12 PM PDT by rattrap (Looters and Moochers and Peaceniks, OH MY!!!!)
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To: CSM
Yeah, yeah, I realize how my question may have sounded, but I get the gist of employment economics (just the basics). However, I have never heard of a major relocation of 20K people.

Well, the relocation of kids to safer areas, including Canada and US during the *Blitz* bombing of Great Britain by the Germans comes to mind, as does the resettlement of those residing in the Warsaw Ghetto, though those examples are more drastic and less voluntary on the part of the participants than the FSP effort.

In more recent times, the *chicken run* and *gapping it* flight from Rhodesia circa 1979-'80 as the Mugabe government siezed power and began its steps toward the ethnic clensing of the IsiNdebele tribe and whites in Zimbabwe offers another example, as does the less-intense migration of hippies and communalists to Vermont in the '70s and '80s. But those efforts were more scattershot efforts at survival, and less carefully thought out as to long-term political goals of the participants.

Sucess often breeds imitation. It'll be interesting to see if others attempt something similar: If the FSP porcupines can do it in New Hampshire, we can do it in.... [insert your favourite or worst nightmare as a target goal for various factions or groups here....]

I could imagine some quantity of them the entreprenurial (sp?) but not a large quantity. In the original post, I kinda took it as a short period of time for them to all move, from further reading I understand it is a slow growth situation. Much easier, people relocate and the economy grows with it.

I don't know how many Bill Gates, Clarence Saunders, John Moses Brownings, or Fred Smiths we'd need; and we wouldn't want to be competing against each other in the same fields. But the move is to come within five years of our acquiring 20,000 members; I expect that's going to happen rather quickly, but the FSP projection is for it to take place in about 113.7 weeks, given the past numbers and rate of growth. Note that within a year, we had about 1000 members; 12 months later, 5500.

So for some, it could be in 7 years, give or take a few months, for others- well, they're there already. Pretty soon you'll be seeing a running tally not just of numbers of pledged porcupines, but also of those who've made the move. I expect they'll be a factor in the 2008 election, maybe a major factor.

-archy-/-

118 posted on 10/01/2003 1:13:02 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: rattrap
hey archy, will you add me to the FSP list please.

You're added, and welcome aboard!

-archy-/-

119 posted on 10/01/2003 1:13:54 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy; CSM
So for some, it could be in 7 years, give or take a few months, for others- well, they're there already. Pretty soon you'll be seeing a running tally not just of numbers of pledged porcupines, but also of those who've made the move

I checked the figures; 154 Porcupines resident in NH at present. We'll see how long it takes for that number to double to 300.

-archy-/-

120 posted on 10/01/2003 1:18:08 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
hey archy, will you add me to the FSP list please.

Me, too?

121 posted on 10/01/2003 1:18:22 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: archy
add me to the list, please. Thanks.
122 posted on 10/01/2003 1:27:37 PM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe ("Allow myself to introduce...myself.")
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To: Eagle Eye
I used to think I had a Libertarian cat; he always wanted out. The the first time it rained, I realized I had a Republican cat: He only wanted his freedom when the weather was nice. As soon as conditions got a little rough, he came to me for government Friskies and a cozy place to sleep.
123 posted on 10/01/2003 1:27:53 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Hopefully you Free Staters will re-legalize the outlawed phrase "show us ya t*ts!"

No problem; the biker gurls around Laconia in June are most cooperative:

Hey, darlin', show us your tats!

.


124 posted on 10/01/2003 1:34:10 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
add me to the list, please. Thanks.

You're on, and welcome aboard the *PorcuPing* ride. Hang on for dear life!

-archy-/-

125 posted on 10/01/2003 1:36:40 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: MrLeRoy
hey archy, will you add me to the FSP list please. Me, too?

You got it. Welcome to Porcupineville.

-archy-/-

126 posted on 10/01/2003 1:38:55 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Oberon
I just adopted a stray and your statement has hit close to home. I think I am going to name it moocher or welfare! My dog exhibits that same behavior but at least she can do tricks to earn her way!
127 posted on 10/01/2003 1:41:04 PM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: archy
You got it.

Thanks!

Welcome to Porcupineville.

Is it anything like Margaritaville?

128 posted on 10/01/2003 1:48:11 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
Welcome to Porcupineville.

Is it anything like Margaritaville?

How would I know? And what is this porcupine doing on top of my head? OW! Ow,Ow,Ow! Ow,Ow, owie-ouch OWWWWwwwwww.

Say, do you suppose Jimmie Buffet would have a pair of hook pliers I could borrow?

one of these things is not like the others....One of these things is not the same...


129 posted on 10/01/2003 2:12:30 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Oberon
I used to think I had a Libertarian cat; he always wanted out. The the first time it rained, I realized I had a Republican cat: He only wanted his freedom when the weather was nice. As soon as conditions got a little rough, he came to me for government Friskies and a cozy place to sleep.

Wait until you see what he does when you take away half his Friskies in *taxes* and give it to the three birdies.


130 posted on 10/01/2003 2:16:36 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: CSM; MrLeRoy
You are one of the last posters I would respond to with anger!

Posters don't usually inspire me toward anger anyway. But then it depends on who's on the poster.


131 posted on 10/01/2003 2:23:26 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
I did worse than that... my Ministry of Eugenics had his balls cut off.
132 posted on 10/01/2003 2:34:47 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: archy
Best of luck to you. Can you tell me which tri-county area in Texas has a project?
133 posted on 10/01/2003 3:00:10 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: Oberon
How accurate, cats are Republican!
134 posted on 10/01/2003 3:09:23 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO. I'm far too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: austingirl
On News/Activism 10/01/2003 4:00 PM MDT #133 of 133 Best of luck to you. Can you tell me which tri-county area in Texas has a project?

Not immediately, though I've been trying to track that down since it first came up when we discussed it the other day. I'm a tad busy today, but if you can hang on, I'll try to track it down for you, or I can direct you to some of those in the FSP who might have a better idea.

It's not a FSP-directed project per se, so far as I know, but parallel to and supportive of the overall FSP effort, probably also L/libertarian driven. But I've not forgotten your interest, and as soon as I get any info for you, I'll let you know.

-archy-/-

135 posted on 10/01/2003 3:12:41 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Please add me. My wife wants to leave Californicate anyway, for back east so NH goes on the list along side PA and Vermont!
136 posted on 10/01/2003 6:53:15 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: dcwusmc
Please add me. My wife wants to leave Californicate anyway, for back east so NH goes on the list along side PA and Vermont!

Glad to put you on the list. I understand the new California car tax kicked in today, and I expect that'll be the straw that did the camel's back for more than a few.

Once the word gets out that they've got a possible decent alternative, it may just be a question of which one turns out the lights. Oh wait, they already did that, didn't they...nevermind.

-archy-/-

137 posted on 10/01/2003 7:35:27 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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