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'Free staters' pick New Hampshire to liberate for sex, guns and drugs
Guardian ^ | October 1, 2003 | Joanna Walters

Posted on 09/30/2003 7:24:17 PM PDT by Dan Evans

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To: Eagle Eye
I wish all FSP'ers well in their experiment and quest. I don't want to be compared to the naysayers that stood on the docks in England mocking the Pilgrims.

We don't look at a lot of those who've wished us well but who for personal reasons just can't abandon their homes, some of which have been in their families for multiple generations.

And likewise, those who have their doubts about the possibility of the overall success of our strategy certainly have a point, and their input is welcomed too. But we are willing to accept small gains at first, then build on them

I'll tell you this: your good wishes are accepted with as much sincerity as they've been given, and you have my thanks for them.

-archy-/-

51 posted on 10/01/2003 8:30:08 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: JohnGalt; archy
I voted for NH as well.

Gentlemen, it seems we shall meet sooner, rather than later.

Yours in Freedom-

bc2
52 posted on 10/01/2003 8:30:50 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: MileHi
Plummer is looking good so far. making us forget the Othe Guy rather quickly, eh?

I odn't understand those who leave an area due to the politics them immediately start restructuring the new place like the old. IMO, these Kalifornians are like rodents that ruin everythin around them and poop in their own nests.

53 posted on 10/01/2003 8:33:16 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO. I'm far too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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To: nopardons
Continually and it isn't going to work in New Hampshire. LOL

This guy doesn't seem to agree with you. He's welcomed us.

But then, you know more about NH and the people of the state than the governor, right?

-archy-/-

54 posted on 10/01/2003 8:34:15 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
I am relatively new to the whole Libertarian philosophy, so this movement is pretty new to me. What are the people that move going to do for jobs? It would seem like an influx of 20K people would create an employment drought!
55 posted on 10/01/2003 8:34:57 AM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: All
FR thread for official press release
56 posted on 10/01/2003 8:40:16 AM PDT by jmc813 (How ironic is it that Arnold turned out to be the spoiler?)
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To: Jack Black
"none are motivated primarily by a desire to use drugs legally."

Well, one is that we know of.

The rest have to know that drug users/sellers/manufacturers will be attracted to the state. And prostitutes. And casinos. And pornographers. And gays (though there's nothing wrong with that, to paraphrase).

The article had it right: "... fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks." Reminds me of the commandos enacting a resolution in Life of Brian:

LORETTA: I agree. It's action that counts, not words, and we need action now.
COMMANDOS: Hear! Hear!
REG: You're right. We could sit around here all day talking, passing resolutions, making clever speeches. It's not going to shift one Roman soldier!
FRANCIS: So, let's just stop gabbing on about it. It's completely pointless and it's getting us nowhere!
COMMANDOS: Right!
LORETTA: I agree. This is a complete waste of time.
JUDITH: They've arrested Brian!
REG: What?
COMMANDOS: What?
JUDITH: They've dragged him off! They're going to crucify him!
REG: Right! This calls for immediate discussion!

57 posted on 10/01/2003 8:43:39 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Jack Black
"none are motivated primarily by a desire to use drugs legally."

Well, one is that we know of.

The rest have to know that drug users/sellers/manufacturers will be attracted to the state. And prostitutes. And casinos. And pornographers. And gays (though there's nothing wrong with that, to paraphrase).

The article had it right: "... fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks." Reminds me of the commandos enacting a resolution in Life of Brian:

LORETTA: I agree. It's action that counts, not words, and we need action now.
COMMANDOS: Hear! Hear!
REG: You're right. We could sit around here all day talking, passing resolutions, making clever speeches. It's not going to shift one Roman soldier!
FRANCIS: So, let's just stop gabbing on about it. It's completely pointless and it's getting us nowhere!
COMMANDOS: Right!
LORETTA: I agree. This is a complete waste of time.
JUDITH: They've arrested Brian!
REG: What?
COMMANDOS: What?
JUDITH: They've dragged him off! They're going to crucify him!
REG: Right! This calls for immediate discussion!

58 posted on 10/01/2003 8:47:03 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: CSM
Small 'l' not big 'L' libertarians.

We merely want to live in a community that respects and guards a definition of liberty that the Old Republic wrote so eloquently about. Forget the philosophy books and read American history books written by folks who adore 'liberty.'

59 posted on 10/01/2003 8:51:27 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: robertpaulsen
"The rest have to know that drug users/sellers/manufacturers will be attracted to the state. And prostitutes. And casinos. And pornographers. And gays "


You must have misread: New Hampshire won, not Washington DC.
60 posted on 10/01/2003 8:55:08 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: Dan Evans
"Leaders would also do away with ... most taxes. And going to change the state motto to: Live Almost Free or Die.
61 posted on 10/01/2003 8:55:41 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: JohnGalt
"Small 'l' not big 'L' libertarians."

Please enlighten me as to the meaning of this.......

I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Keep in mind that I agree with everything I have read about the philosophy.....
62 posted on 10/01/2003 8:56:37 AM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: Dan Evans
If they wanted to do that, they could just move to San Fransisco -- it has a better climate.

Or,,,they could just stay home. Anyone in the country who wants to obtain and smoke dope can already do so. The WOD is an abject failure at stopping drug use. And a true success at violating the rights of the citizens.

63 posted on 10/01/2003 9:01:55 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Jack Black
It would be really funny if, say, Montana were chosen. Oops. Kinda like declaring Gore president at 8:00 ... oh, wait, they did that too, didn't they.

Oh, serious, professional newspapers never make mistakes like that, just cheap tabloid rags.


64 posted on 10/01/2003 9:02:32 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Protagoras
Or,,,they could just stay home.

Well, I'm certainly not going to pick up and move from a decrim state to New Hampshire in the hopes that one day they might decrim too.

65 posted on 10/01/2003 9:05:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: CSM
"Small 'l' not big 'L' libertarians."

Please enlighten me as to the meaning of this.......

A lot of us, probably a majority, are not Libertarian Party members, but agree with at least some general libertarian principles or platforms. I consider myself neither a libertarian nor a Libertarian [nor, particularly, a librarian nor a libertine!] but I figure they'll make better neighbors than a lot I could choose or a lot I've known.

-archy-/-

66 posted on 10/01/2003 9:05:30 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: JohnGalt
So you're saying Washington, DC should have been chosen because the Free Staters would be that much ahead?
67 posted on 10/01/2003 9:05:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Drango
At the local Dennys, there was to be a meeting of all the people who were gonna move. Half the people refused to attend because the meeting was statist and the other half were to too stoned to make it.
68 posted on 10/01/2003 9:07:33 AM PDT by Beenliedto (A Free Stater getting ready to pack my bags!)
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To: archy
Thanks for that clarification. Very helpful. I have to classify myself as a little l.
69 posted on 10/01/2003 9:10:03 AM PDT by CSM (www.banallfun.com - Homepage of all Smoke Gnatzies!)
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To: robertpaulsen
The article had it right: "... fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks." Reminds me of the commandos enacting a resolution in Life of Brian....

Or those rediculous Republicans, thinking that they could ever replace the Whigs as a dominent member of the two-party system. Or those cultish Mormons, daring to defy man's laws for their religious beliefs, and moving to Utah.

And, come to think of it, though Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose independents never achieved victory in a national evection, they drove the Republicans into a particularly disappointing third place finish. That too might be something to keep in mind as the porcupine presence makes itself known in a state where a lot of folks watch their state's primary results with more than the usual nervousness.

-archy-/-

70 posted on 10/01/2003 9:10:43 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Richard-SIA
And WHERE does he think freedom is greater?

He thinks it might be in New Hampshire if the people do what they say they will.

71 posted on 10/01/2003 9:11:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: CSM
Thanks for that clarification. Very helpful. I have to classify myself as a little l.

I don't mind those who so classify me, as it puts me in the company of the late Robert A. Heinlein and freeper Mark *Laissezfirearm* Penman, among others. But I don't follow the Libertarian non-agression principle espoused by many libertarians as well, and I probably fit the mold of either poorly. But as I said, they'll do for neighbors.

-archy-/-

72 posted on 10/01/2003 9:13:52 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Dan Evans
Foothold politics is the wave of the future in this now Balkanized USA.

The anti-American, hispanic criminal conspiracy such as the on-going Reconquista invasion and the PR myth of of Aztlan, are well under way, likely to succeed because of Motor Voter registration fraud strenngthened by drivers license IDs for criminal aliens. Hispanic racists' movements, such as La Raza and Gray Davis' 2nd, Cruz Busty, are popular if seditious and treasonous in this time of war.

Muslims will concentrate their expanding, self-imposed, armed ghetto communities to obtain locks on elected officials. Local, state, and federal offices are to be voted by concentrating that minorities' vote.

Our federal government for 4 generations has been increasingly unlawfully usurping our RATIFIED Constitution violating individual and state rights to consolodate federal powers. Under FDR, socialist statists got a foothold on usurping our Ratified Constitution. Especially under C.J. Rhenquist, the Statists' required doctrine of the "living" Constitution to manage government's power needs is reinterpreting our RATIFIED Bill of Rights, despite what our Constitution actually states. Through the self-important judicial doctrine of Stare Decisis, statists build upon usurped, bad to unConstitutional agendas. Bench rulings, court rule by judicial fiat and passive Congresses, establishes agenda driven, expanding unConstitutional "compelling State interests" unlawfully nullifying the very social contract from which the courts derive any and all of their lawful authority.

Liberty under ratified Constitution's limited government powers is a movement long under attack in America, but that which created Akmerica. Free peoples like Mexicans and muslims are voting with their feet and money. Free peoples will too, unless it is too late.

73 posted on 10/01/2003 9:18:02 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: CSM
I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Free people tend to create businesses and their own jobs. If the State cut the taxes and regulations significantly, businesses and job seekers would flock there over time.

BTW, small "L" libertarian means the philosophy , large "L" Libertarians are members of a certain political party of that name.

74 posted on 10/01/2003 9:18:13 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Dan Evans
Political sceptics have dismissed the project as the fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks.

Sounds like LewRockwell.com

75 posted on 10/01/2003 9:22:41 AM PDT by ArneFufkin (n)
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To: Poohbah
If it isn't handled with a lot of skill, the newcomers may discover that the pre-existing residents will oppose them out of sheer spite.

ESPECIALLY in a place like Cow Hampshire. More than a few stone-faced Yankees up there.

76 posted on 10/01/2003 9:22:58 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: CSM
I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Keep in mind that I agree with everything I have read about the philosophy.....

Well, for one thing, there are going to be 20,000- probably MANY more- new customers. And they're not all arriving at once; some are already there, some have pledged to move within 30 days [as I would have had the choice been Wyoming, Montana or South Dakota; I have land in that area and immediate contacts for housing and job prospects in the nearby states] and others will arrive in dribs and drabs, hopefully mostly before the 2008 election- though they can arrive the day of the election and vote, under current state law, at least.

Some will bring innovative jobs possibilities not yet considered in the Granite State; some are involved in possible joint efforts with businessmen already there; some essentially *work* from the internet or other means of telecommunication and can do so from most anywhere, and others are employed in the skills and trades useful and needed anywhere: mechanics, doctors, nurses, veterinarians, firemen, barbers, florists, and yes, there are libertarian government employees who from what I've seen really try to stress the service part of their public service. I bet they find places to ply their trades; there's already talk of a municipality of *porcupineville*. Now we know exactly what the state laws and other requirements for setting up such a small town will be; it may happen and it may not.

But it oughta be interesting.

-archy-/-

77 posted on 10/01/2003 9:24:57 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I checked with Otis in Andy Taylor's jail, he doesn't want y'all either.
78 posted on 10/01/2003 9:25:29 AM PDT by ArneFufkin (n)
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To: Hostage; archy
You're right, it's degenerated already into sex and drugs...........Only if you believe what the presstitutes want you to about the FSP. There will be a few that put the engine block back in the tree and run around nekid (in the summer I suspect) but the majority of the FSP folks are constitutional purists I believe. Not as much libertarian as again the presstitutes want you to believe.

The polidiots and presstitutes will be disinformational at best when they speak of the FSP.

Just my opinion of course.......Stay Safe !

79 posted on 10/01/2003 9:28:50 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: gg188
"I specified on my membership form that I would move when they had legalised the cultivation of marijuana. I'm hoping that this will be one of the first things on their agenda..."


Ok, whichever one of you libertarian Freepers who is quoted here please identify yourself.

Perhaps law enforcement in the "free state" will concentrate on arrest, conviction, and incarceration of violent criminals instead of wasting resources tracking down aging hippies with dope in their gardens........
80 posted on 10/01/2003 9:28:59 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (The next time I vote, I'm demanding a receipt! (you should too!))
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To: visualops
Membership of the Free State Project rocketed after an article in Playboy this year.

This idea was actually originally floated in Playboy back around 30 years ago or so.

I know a couple of people pretty well who talk about the FSP a lot. Believe me when I tell you they have no intention of ever moving to New Hampshire or any of the other states that always get floated. I'd wager good money the same is probably true of about 90% of the people who talk up FSP all the time.

81 posted on 10/01/2003 9:29:11 AM PDT by jpl
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To: archy
Hell, if it works out, I'd consider going up there too. I live close enough to the border already---it'd be a short hop.

82 posted on 10/01/2003 9:30:14 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: ArneFufkin
Y'all ain't gonna fly in the Granite State. "Ayep" will.

83 posted on 10/01/2003 9:30:55 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: bc2
As soon as I get my daughter through high school,

I'm there.

Regardless of whether or not I'm on the "list" at that time.

Live Free or Die - I like that.
84 posted on 10/01/2003 9:31:05 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (The next time I vote, I'm demanding a receipt! (you should too!))
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
If it isn't handled with a lot of skill, the newcomers may discover that the pre-existing residents will oppose them out of sheer spite.

ESPECIALLY in a place like Cow Hampshire. More than a few stone-faced Yankees up there. But one of the factors that's really, REALLY attracted me to NH has been the hospitality and offers of assistance in resettling I received from FSPers already resident in NH. Their graciousness and helpfulness was one of the particular things I noted in the place's favour, not limited to the FSPers there alone; I've got pals in NH from a couple of other interests, and I've visited there enough to know it's a beautiful place, and the hospitality there is the equal of that I've enjoyed in the South for the last half-dozen years.

The place has its warts, too. And there are those there who want to do something about that, and have so far been unable to do so on their own. I reckon they're about to get a few helping hands, and we'll soon see just how many. As of mid-September of this year: 5,454

If the rate of growth continues on the climbing curve it has- and neither a dropoff nor an increase would surprise me now that the state's been announced- the goal of 20,000 members in approximately 113.7 weeks. But I do not expect it to stop at that point, either.

And one thing we have not well prepared for is the possibility that the numbers could go WAY beyond what we've imagined and expected. Should that happen, we'll be pleased, of course, but it will bring some problems.


85 posted on 10/01/2003 9:37:32 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: jpl
Membership of the Free State Project rocketed after an article in Playboy this year.

This idea was actually originally floated in Playboy back around 30 years ago or so.

Well, not quite. Certainly the article Taking Over Vermont* by Richard Pollack that appeared in the April 1972 issue of Playboy magazine was an influence, though that successful effort was more directed toward the hippie/leftish community still suffering the stings of the loss of the Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco and the temporary community of the Woodstock music and mud fest.

More directed at the L/libertarian set was the editorial musing of Free Republic's own Mark *Laissezfirearm* Penman, in his 1994 essay Phony Yogis and the Samson Option, which can be read *here*.

Really, though, it's FSP Boss Porcupine Jason Sorens who deserves the credit for assembling several competing theoretical possibilities and courses, and turning them into a coherent plan that's now become a reality. Though there's nothing really new under the sun, his was a neat coalescence of several former good ideas with a few wrinkles of his own and others thrown in.

-archy-/-

86 posted on 10/01/2003 9:52:32 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
I've always been intrigued by the idea of political colonization. But I don't think NH would be a good state to do this in because its constitutional structure is quite difficult to amend, etc. There would already be enough opposition from the natives, too.

Wyoming would have been better, or Alaska.
87 posted on 10/01/2003 9:52:44 AM PDT by GulliverSwift (Recall the media)
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To: Hostage
The article is libelous.
88 posted on 10/01/2003 9:54:03 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Hell, if it works out, I'd consider going up there too. I live close enough to the border already---it'd be a short hop.

We'd love to have you. Care to be added to the FSP *PorcuPing* list for FSP articles and posts?

It's a little further for me from Memphis, and I think I'll probably get this season's snowfall out of the way before heading that way myself. But I'd be not at all surprised, and particularly pleased, to make your acquaintance in the Free State.

-archy-/-

89 posted on 10/01/2003 9:55:37 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Mini-14
The article is libelous.

Aw, it's got a bit of a supercillious British sneer to it, but that's nothing new from across the pond. I believe they expressed some similar sentiments back when their upstart American colony expressed rumbles about breaking away from the Crown, and proclaimed to the world that Such A Thing Could Never Happen.

Buncha pommie bahstaads. Take their fulminations with a grain or several of salt, and a grin. They hate it when they're all pompous and they get laughed at.

-archy-/-

90 posted on 10/01/2003 9:58:53 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
I'm glad you love NH---so do I. My entire family's there now . . . I'm the only one who stayed in MA.

I found this essay kind of funny:

I wake up with the sun, not suddenly, but quickly. Within 60 seconds I am wide awake. I take a moment to enjoy the stillness of the house and to look over at my wife and thank God for her, my children, and the blessings of liberty.

[H's. G.: Oh brother, is that corny.]

Ten minutes later I head out for my morning workout. I pass my Ruger Security 6, 357 Magnum hanging in its holster by the door as I head out. I jog down the mostly typical suburban street, but I notice again some of the distinctions that make this place home. The lots are larger and more spread out than most, and the houses vary in style and size, with yardwork and other accoutrements proclaiming the personality of the occupants. Within minutes I have reached my destination.

[H's. G.: In other words, not a scrap of a zoning law! This person's obviously not seen the hideous results of locales without zoning laws---as any jaunt down the main drag of Plaistow, Salem, or just about any other fair-sized town in New Hampshire would demonstrate. Want to put a funeral parlor next to a Wendy's? No problem! Your neighbor wants to start a used tire lot next to your 3-bedroom colonial? Live free or die, buddy.]

The community fitness center is the result of a collaborative effort among 22 of the neighborhood's families. We bought a centrally located lot and proceded to build a small gym to house fitness equipment, everything from free weights to aerobic machines. The cost was extremely affordable and we were able to get it built in under one month thanks to the fact that there are no property taxes, and no city permits or building inspections are required, although we did hire Solomon's Builders to inspect it, just to be safe. The building received their Gold Seal, which is only given to about 2% of all the buildings they inspect! We now have over 50 families participating and we have been able to add a racquetball court, two tennis courts, and we are planning for future expansion.

[H's. G.: Sounds like a bit of communism and a healthy dose of unrealistic expectations.]

. . .

In any event, the essay went on and on and was so saccharine I think I need to go to the state-sponsored dentist right now. I like the gist of this project, but based on this featured essay, man, it must be filled with some bright-eyed, bushy-tailed dreamers.

91 posted on 10/01/2003 10:00:42 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: WhiteGuy
Perhaps law enforcement in the "free state" will concentrate on arrest, conviction, and incarceration of violent criminals instead of wasting resources tracking down aging hippies with dope in their gardens........

Well, I'm not really planning on putting a badge on again when I get to the Free State, though I've had the job a couple of times before. But as for busting aging hippies in their marijahootchie garden, I don't think I'd better. I might get arrested for impersonating a fed.

-archy-/-

92 posted on 10/01/2003 10:02:02 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: bc2
I voted for NH as well.

Gentlemen, it seems we shall meet sooner, rather than later.

Yours in Freedom-

See you in the Free State, my FRiend.

Reckon I need to change the state flag on my FReeper profile page. I'm a gonna miss my old Lone Star.

-archy-/-

93 posted on 10/01/2003 10:04:43 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: GulliverSwift
But I don't think NH would be a good state to do this in because its constitutional structure is quite difficult to amend, etc. There would already be enough opposition from the natives, too.

Wyoming would have been better, or Alaska.

Well, from some natives, at least. And there's a lot to be said for having the project take place in a locale where the present governor has signed on as a *Friend of the Porcupines.* Thankfully, he won't have to move, and I doubt there'll be much porcupine-driven effort to unseat him, though his replacement may well face a challenge.

Wyoming was my first choice, for the likely quicker result our numbers might have accomplished in that less populous state. Alaska would have been okay by me, as I've lived and visited there and love the place, even the state bird.

But New Hampsterland will do. And a sizable Porcupine advance party is resident there already.

-archy-/-

94 posted on 10/01/2003 10:10:59 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
But Francis Tyers, a 20-year-old University of Wales student, who studies in Aberystwyth...

He's leaving for a land where the vowels run wild and free.

"And secession from the United States would be great," he said."

Somebody needs to explain to Francis that the question of secession was pretty well settled at Appomattox ;)

95 posted on 10/01/2003 10:12:44 AM PDT by general_re (SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Sarcasm Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks To Your Health.)
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To: archy
Do you know if NH permits the ownership of class 3 weapons?
96 posted on 10/01/2003 10:16:53 AM PDT by u-89
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To: Dan Evans
Fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks.

LOL

97 posted on 10/01/2003 10:20:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Pummeluh pummeluh pummeluh)
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To: Dan Evans
This is the beauty of amendment 10 -- the opportunity for 50 experimental labs. If this actually happens, we can all sit back and see how well it works. If it does, then other states will have an example to follow. If it doesn't, it will serve as a warning to the rest of us.
98 posted on 10/01/2003 10:31:48 AM PDT by ellery
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To: Eagle Eye
Too many people won't even talk about restoring the Constitution. "It's too late for that," they whine... "We have to continue as we are and hope that no one hurts us too badly."

They WANT the smothering blanket of big government as cover for THEIR agenda. But they want to blame the Dems for doing it, even though THEIR guys never UNDO anything. Sad and sick!
99 posted on 10/01/2003 10:38:49 AM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: archy
Please add me to the FSP ping list as well!
100 posted on 10/01/2003 10:46:21 AM PDT by ellery
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