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Free State Project Picks New Hampshire
Yahoo ^ | 10-1-2003 | Free State Project

Posted on 10/01/2003 8:35:16 AM PDT by jmc813

in the Live Free or Die state

Aiming to preserve one bastion of freedom in the age of intrusive government, members of the rapidly growing Free State Project (FSP) have made a crucial decision. Voting via mail-in ballot after months of feisty debate, Free Staters chose New Hampshire as their future home.

Founded in 2001, the FSP's goal is to concentrate 20,000 liberty-oriented voters in one state. There, it is hoped, they will work to enhance and extend its existing culture of liberty. But until this week, it was anyone's guess whether that state would be Montana, Wyoming, Delaware, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, or Alaska.

The membership election took place through the innovative Condorcet's Method, which allowed voters to rank all states and selected the state that received a higher ranking than each other state from a majority of voters. The runner-up state was Wyoming, which defeated every other state but fell to New Hampshire by the decisive margin of 55 percent to 45 percent.

"New Hampshire is clearly the consensus choice of Free Staters," commented FSP President and Yale political science professor Jason Sorens. "New Hampshire won a plurality of first-preference votes from every region of the country except the West."

"It's not difficult to see the reasons for New Hampshire's victory," adds Vice-President Elizabeth McKinstry, who is originally from New England. "The state boasts the lowest state and local tax burden in the continental U.S., the leanest state government in the country in terms of government spending and employment, a citizen legislature, a healthy job market, and perhaps most important, local support for our movement."

Over 100 New Hampshire residents have signed up for the Free State Project already, willing to move elsewhere but hoping to bring the movement to their home state. Governor Craig Benson even pledged to support the aims of the FSP, and several members of the legislature have signed up as members.

According to FSP Director of Member Services and Florida attorney Tim Condon, Free Staters should also be a boon for the economy of New Hampshire. "According to a member survey conducted concomitantly with the vote, 50% of our members have at least a Bachelor's degree, with 18% having done postgraduate work. Seventy-five percent are under age 50, with 38% between the ages of 18 and 34. Those earning $60,000 or more per year constitute 44% of all members. The clear picture that emerges is one of a largely young, well-educated, upwardly mobile group."

Several hurdles still face the movement, which currently has about 4,500 members pledged to migrate to New Hampshire. These challenges include recruiting another 15,500 members and continuing to build support for their cause within New Hampshire. If current recruitment trends continue, the group expects to reach 20,000 commitments by 2006, after which point members have five years in which to move.

But as Condon notes, "The member survey shows that 53% of members plan to move within three years, not waiting for the 20,000-member benchmark. Early movers should help recruitment by building a record of success."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: freestateproject; fsp; porcupines
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To: archy
LOL... nope. I was a Claremonster ;0)
51 posted on 10/01/2003 12:19:49 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (<Tag>Something unspeakably clever</Tag>)
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To: archy
so long as that Bean feller's store has a good supply of Stetsons

Uh-oh!

Guess you better stock up before you come up heah!

Hank

52 posted on 10/01/2003 12:19:55 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: u-89
I was hoping for Idaho, too. It's beautiful.
53 posted on 10/01/2003 12:20:37 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: IYAAYAS
Thanks for the reply and the good news.
54 posted on 10/01/2003 12:21:33 PM PDT by u-89
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To: Hank Kerchief
...If you're not too insistent about your beach having an accompanying ocean ...

I'm sure it's lovely, but I'd miss my lobster and steamed clams.

Hank

You're certainly welcome to bring your pets. Or spouses, friends, or whatever.

But the clams needn't get upset just because they're moving to New Hampshire. They'll find some local friends there, I'm sure.


55 posted on 10/01/2003 12:25:36 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
And don't botha' askin' a native if they know something, like "do you know where the fair gounds are," or "can you tell me how to get to the L.L. Bean stoa, 'cause the ansah is always the same, "ay-ah," which means the same as "yup" anyplace else.

My liberal, gay as all getout college professor and some of his namby-pamby prof friends were driving through in Maine (motto: "You can't get there from here") trying to reach Rutland or somewheres, got lost and asked this old guy on the side of the road:

"What road should we take to get to Rutland?"
"Doesn't matter to me!" he replied!

56 posted on 10/01/2003 12:31:07 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: bootless
My sister is pretty set where she is but if Idaho was chosen and I went out there she'd have gone too. If it weren't for NYC I'd have moved west long ago. I'm glad NH is in close enough proximity to the city but in a way I'm real sorry I won't be settling down out west. Well I can always drive through any time I like - will just have to savor every moment when I'm there.
57 posted on 10/01/2003 12:33:10 PM PDT by u-89
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To: Jack Black
The net result of the New Hampshire vote will be that the FSP will tend to become an "east coast" movement, with more new members coming from the socialist hell holes near by. In terms of the project goals this could be ideal. It means that, if successful, their will be this island of sanity surrounded by authoritariand socialist states (some of which will be in dire shape like New York and Cali are).

I think perhaps a unitended consequence of this is that Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State. And this could become official at any time if others pick up where the vote has left us off.

Guess who the founder and moderator of the Wyoming FSP discussion board is....

Actually, theres a *ISM* project already underway for a FSP-like resettlement of several politically tenable counties there, and that's more likely to attract more of the western-minded *cowboy* FSP adherents, many of who opted out of their pledge to relocate eastward, just as many easterners similarly opted out of a western or Alaskan choice.

We'll see what's said as the considerations roll in. But for those so inclined:

FSP NH Discussion Group

FSP MT Discussion Group: the Free Montana Project

FSP WY Discussion Group: FreeStateProjectWyoming

-archy-/-

58 posted on 10/01/2003 12:36:14 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
I'm sure it's lovely, but I'd miss my lobster and steamed clams

Mmmmmmmm, OK, excellent point.

59 posted on 10/01/2003 12:53:12 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Happy Fiscal New Year!!)
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To: eno_
We are not pledged (keep trying to talk hubby into it and I think NH is going to be a no-sell point now.) Anyways thisa morning , spending only a very few minutes I tried to get real estate info and could only find (remember only a little time so this isnt serious research yet) high end properties. I was hoping they'd pick someplace with cheap land. After teh kids go to bed tonight I can give it some real attention though.

It does strike me as odd that freedom lovers and "leave-me-alone" types would choose to move so many people into so seemingly small an area. It seems a place like Montana (or yes even Wyoming) would be more of draw because everyone would have lots (and lots!) of elbow room. Too many people in too cramped a space quickly becomes a liberal breeding ground. I'm sure it relly isn't as small a place as my globe makes it seem though.

Anyways who can name me a decent NH paper or two with their classifieds online. I haven't given up hope of changing hubby's mind but its gonna take some work.
60 posted on 10/01/2003 1:01:08 PM PDT by kancel
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To: kancel
Fosters (good for Classifieds)

http://www4.fosters.com/index_b.asp



and the Union Leader

http://www.theunionleader.com/
61 posted on 10/01/2003 1:04:51 PM PDT by Japedo (Seek the Truth, Live by the Truth, Nothing Less.......)
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To: Japedo
Thanks for the quick response!!
62 posted on 10/01/2003 1:10:03 PM PDT by kancel
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To: Japedo
Thanks for the quick response!!
63 posted on 10/01/2003 1:10:06 PM PDT by kancel
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To: kancel
you bet!

you can also try this... Has some stats on Towns n what not... :) (along with business finder, Real Estate, Et al!! Good luck.. :)


http://www.nh.com/
64 posted on 10/01/2003 1:14:32 PM PDT by Japedo (Seek the Truth, Live by the Truth, Nothing Less.......)
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To: Betty Jane
I agree. Had they went to Vermont, it would have returned the state to its Republican history.
65 posted on 10/01/2003 1:23:43 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: archy
if you'd care to be added to the FR ping list for FSP-related stories and commentary, just say the word.

Word.

66 posted on 10/01/2003 1:24:42 PM PDT by ForOurFuture (Tancredo for Senate!)
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To: T Minus Four
Dang, I was hoping for Idaho.

I imagine most of the people in New Hampshire feel the same way.

67 posted on 10/01/2003 1:29:36 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
yes :-)
68 posted on 10/01/2003 1:40:27 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Happy Fiscal New Year!!)
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To: kancel
For real estate, try: Northern New England Real Estate

But be warned: it's pretty pricy around here (southern 1/3 of the state near I-93). As people are willing to drive further to work near Boston, and as Boston area business expand north, the housing pricing has been going up, up, up.

Also pay attention to local property taxes as that is your primary way of paying for government services. They're not cheap!

69 posted on 10/01/2003 1:42:35 PM PDT by whd23
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To: ForOurFuture
if you'd care to be added to the FR ping list for FSP-related stories and commentary, just say the word.

Word.

Done.

Welcome! [that's 2!]

-archy-/-

70 posted on 10/01/2003 3:15:43 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: jmc813
My wife and I just put in an offer on a house in Merrimack, NH.
71 posted on 10/01/2003 3:27:16 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: WhiteGuy
Freedom is on the move!
72 posted on 10/01/2003 4:24:59 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: xdem
Libertarians are just Republicans with brains.
73 posted on 10/01/2003 4:37:41 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: archy
It would be nice if we could free all of the United States. Let the socialists have Kalifornia, NY and Mass.
74 posted on 10/01/2003 4:40:41 PM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: jmc813
What do you say jmc? What's your take on moving FSP in a few years? There are a good number of our mutual acquiatences who have moved to Vermont and NH already to live free and snowboard. When they come back around they always say they love it up there, and bring me back a few cases of Red Hook.
75 posted on 10/01/2003 6:10:59 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander ((posting without reading since 3/25/1999))
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To: whd23
Out of curiousity, how long is the commute back to Boston and/or the I-129 (correct numbers? been a while since up there) in rush hour traffic?

76 posted on 10/01/2003 6:17:10 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander ((posting without reading since 3/25/1999))
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To: JerseyHighlander
What do you say jmc? What's your take on moving FSP in a few years?

I would certainly never rule it out, and judging from the support the FSP gotten, I'm tempted more and more as time goes on. I have family that moved up there last year and absolutely love it. One of them was actualy my very liberal aunt who was from the "only police and military should have guns" school of thought. I didn't tell her about NH's gun laws until she was done with the move. Yes, I'm a bastard. :-)

There are a good number of our mutual acquiatences who have moved to Vermont and NH already to live free and snowboard.

If you wouldn't mind, could you FReepmail me their names? I'm always interested in seeing what people from back in the day are up to.

When they come back around they always say they love it up there, and bring me back a few cases of Red Hook.

I'm a Magic Hat man myself. They have about 6 varieties and are brewed in Burlington, VT. They've become widely available in Jersey liquor stores in the last year.

77 posted on 10/01/2003 6:23:42 PM PDT by jmc813 (How ironic is it that Arnold turned out to be the spoiler?)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Snowboard?

No one said anything about a requirement to snowboard.....

(I Hate Winter)

I prefer indoor sports like beer and TV............
78 posted on 10/02/2003 3:21:53 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (The next time I vote, I'm demanding a receipt! (you should too!))
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To: JerseyHighlander
I'm guessing you're talking about the I-495 corridor.

The rush-hour(s) commute can be brutal. Depending on the final destination, I'd plan on at least an hour. If you end up working for a company that allows you to move your work hours to non-standard times you can cut your commute time in half.

There are also some mass-transit options available: train service that connects to the Boston subway system, private bus companies, and also Park & Ride lots where you can share your misery with people you've never met before. Check out MBTA and SmarTraveller for some more information.

But keep in mind that living in NH and working in MA is bad for the budget. You get to pay the high property taxes that fund NH services (mostly schools) and the ~%6 MA income tax.

79 posted on 10/02/2003 5:34:50 AM PDT by whd23
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