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To: Dialup Llama
It is interesting. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th place finishers were Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. This is the problem with the voting method chosen. I run off would have been better, where the top few states run off. As it is I suspect that many more FSPers wanted to live in the intermountain west, but did not agree on which specific state. East Coasters rallied around the only plausible candidate state, so now we're moving to New Hampshire.

That's unfortunate. I do think the East is inherently way less free than the west. Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire. On the other hand due to crippling taxes and regulations it is probably true that East Coasters *NEED* a Free State more than Westerners do, where freedom continues to exist to some degree in many states, even nominally liberal ones like Oregon have CCW, strong first ammendment protections, etc. Washington and Wyoming have no state income tax.

The net result of the New Hampshire vote will be that the FSP will tend to become an "east coast" movement, with more new members coming from the socialist hell holes near by. In terms of the project goals this could be ideal. It means that, if successful, their will be this island of sanity surrounded by authoritariand socialist states (some of which will be in dire shape like New York and Cali are).

I think perhaps a unitended consequence of this is that Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State. And this could become official at any time if others pick up where the vote has left us off.

32 posted on 10/01/2003 10:48:12 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire.

There are thousands of acres of idle (and for-sale) paper company land in northern New Hampshire. It looks dinky compared to Wyoming, but there are still some very remote places. And if you run out of places in NH, Maine is still very very empty in the middle.

33 posted on 10/01/2003 11:11:43 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Jack Black
That's unfortunate. I do think the East is inherently way less free than the west. Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire.

In most of NH, you do that in your back yard. You don't need to drive somewhere to do it.

As for driving, from anyplace in NH, you're never more than an hour or two from, mountains, lakes, shopping, or the ocean. What's chances we could drive to the ocean for a day at the beech and have dinner at a nice restaurant in the mountains, anywhere in Wyoming, Montana, or Idaho? everyplace has its advantages and disadvantages, still NH is definitely not for everyone. There is no place like that.

Hank

34 posted on 10/01/2003 11:12:25 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Jack Black
Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State

If New Hampshire hits critical mass because people like me who were unwilling to pledge in advance join the cause, it would be time to start a second Free State Project anyway.

35 posted on 10/01/2003 11:13:04 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Jack Black
Try driving out to the desert to plink with you .308 in New Hampshire.

Maybe not desert...but if you think it's very populated up here, you've never been here. We may not have HUGE open spaces, but there are plenty of acres of woodland, believe me.

I think people tend to think of all of New England as being citified and crowded like maybe much of MA is...but it's not.

42 posted on 10/01/2003 11:48:31 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Jack Black
The net result of the New Hampshire vote will be that the FSP will tend to become an "east coast" movement, with more new members coming from the socialist hell holes near by. In terms of the project goals this could be ideal. It means that, if successful, their will be this island of sanity surrounded by authoritariand socialist states (some of which will be in dire shape like New York and Cali are).

I think perhaps a unitended consequence of this is that Wyoming, by finishing second, becomes the unofficial Western Free State. And this could become official at any time if others pick up where the vote has left us off.

Guess who the founder and moderator of the Wyoming FSP discussion board is....

Actually, theres a *ISM* project already underway for a FSP-like resettlement of several politically tenable counties there, and that's more likely to attract more of the western-minded *cowboy* FSP adherents, many of who opted out of their pledge to relocate eastward, just as many easterners similarly opted out of a western or Alaskan choice.

We'll see what's said as the considerations roll in. But for those so inclined:

FSP NH Discussion Group

FSP MT Discussion Group: the Free Montana Project

FSP WY Discussion Group: FreeStateProjectWyoming

-archy-/-

58 posted on 10/01/2003 12:36:14 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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