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To: Dr. Frank
Well, to get to the roots of this, "invasion and taking over" were the words used by Mr. Babiarz.

I'm using the terms in the same loose, offhand manner he does, but in fact the LP is trying precisely to "invade and take over."

That being said, in all fairness we should acknowledge that their goal was never to create a "majority" by getting 20000 libertarians into the state.

That's where we disagree. The stated goals of the FSP are to effect a number of very significant changes. The bottom line is that the goal is to enact LP policy, which can only be accomplished by achieving a working majority.

As you noted, the 20,000 folks probably wouldn't do it, and I agree with you that their hopes would be to convince non-LPers to go along with them.

That might happen, but it probably won't, for the same reason the LP doesn't do well anywhere, at any level: they too often come across as whackjobs who do things like nominate blue guys for governor, or Rick Stanley for U.S. Senate, and whose platform seems to be to legalize drugs and ignore foreign threats.

40 posted on 10/01/2003 2:40:03 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Well, to get to the roots of this, "invasion and taking over" were the words used by Mr. Babiarz.

Yes, to say that's not what he's doing.

I'm using the terms in the same loose, offhand manner he does, but in fact the LP is trying precisely to "invade and take over."

Not "in fact". In metaphor. If those terms are used in a loose, offhand manner.

That being said, in all fairness we should acknowledge that their goal was never to create a "majority" by getting 20000 libertarians into the state. That's where we disagree. The stated goals of the FSP are to effect a number of very significant changes.

You don't seem to understand that you don't actually disagree with me. Yes the FSP is trying to effect significant changes, like you said. But not by creating a "majority", like I said. Rather, by getting a significant minority concentrated in one state. So you are not contradicting me even though you seem to think you are.

52 posted on 10/01/2003 3:49:54 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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