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Libertarians Moving to N.H. to Establish 'Free State'
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, October 01, 2003 | associated Press

Posted on 10/01/2003 2:46:47 PM PDT by archy

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: John Will
Is N.H. a liberal or consertive state?

It's essentially the only conservative state in New England and has been for quite some time. I was actually hoping they would pick Delaware, which is a traditionally Democrat state (though not necessarily a liberal one). By moving to NH, which is both conservative and republican, the libertarians will at best win a couple school board races while providing spoiler candidates in any close major race between a Dem and a Repub. In Delaware they could have potentially run candidates in races that the Republicans aren't credibly waging either.

51 posted on 10/01/2003 8:31:53 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Blood of Tyrants
My company installed and commissioned a gas turbine and waste heat boiler in a paper mill up in Groveton (waaayyy up north) and I spent the better part of three months in Lancaster. There is a small town just north of the Franconia Pass called Littleton. I just love that town. It is right out of a Rockwell painting. Kids walking in groups to school, nice little houses along the road. If I were to move anywhere, I would like to move there. I sure would miss my nice long Tennessee summers, though

I've been working out of Memphis for the last half-dozen-plus years; I know what you mean about the TN summers. And the people here are great, even most of the ones here in Memphis, a few nasty and crabby ones aside.

But oh yeah, it's pretty up in and around New Hampshire's White Mountains- the old Mountaineer passenger train run jointly by the Boston & Maine and Maine Central railroads ran through there until service ended in 1972.

But now the Conway Scenic Railroad is running passenger specials through the notch area again. And they took that boarded-up old Conway passenger station and restored it to the thing of beauty it once was. Yeah, that'd be a mighty pretty area to settle down in, even if you did miss out on Tennessee summers. But in return, you'd get those beautiful New Hampshire autumn sunsets....


52 posted on 10/01/2003 8:37:33 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: GOPcapitalist
By moving to NH, which is both conservative and republican, the libertarians will at best win a couple school board races while providing spoiler candidates in any close major race between a Dem and a Repub. In Delaware they could have potentially run candidates in races that the Republicans aren't credibly waging either.

Gee, and I was hoping that the political arm that emerges from the FSP- call it the *porcupine party* for reference sake- would find common cause with New Hampshire Republicans like Governor Benso who gave us that nice welcome, thereby ofsetting any alliances between the third-place Democrats and NH independent voters, whose number is larger than that of the Democrats, and nearly equals that of the Republicans.

But if I understand you correctly, the RINO contingent will be so far to the left of the Democrats that it won't even be worth our while to reach accomodations or political alliances with them. Well, okay. Good thing the FSP recruitment will be continuing even as the first 20,000 pledged FSP members are relocating; two years ago, zero; a year ago, one thousand; now 5500. In a year, 10K, in two 20K. Assuming the present membership rate remains constant of course...and doesn't increase. And by 2008? Well, you figure it out.

But for now, we'll see what can be done with just 20,000 Porcupines. And, of course, a quarter-million NH independents:

NH State voter registration, September ’02 2001
[after list purge]

REPUBLICANS 245,791/ 37.3%
UNDECLARED 242,028/ 36.8%
DEMOCRATS 170,405/ 25.9%


53 posted on 10/01/2003 8:48:41 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Let me know if there's a clearing house website for information on moving. NH is cold but at least they have ports.
54 posted on 10/01/2003 9:03:00 PM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: nunya bidness
Let me know if there's a clearing house website for information on moving. NH is cold but at least they have ports.

There should be all sorts of info and assistance available through the NH FSP state Yahoo discussion group. Check it out here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhlivefreeordie/

-archy-/-

55 posted on 10/01/2003 9:30:38 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Thanks.
56 posted on 10/01/2003 10:09:57 PM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: archy
If I remember correctly, that last picture was taken from a scenic tourist spot just above the Gap. How close am I?
57 posted on 10/02/2003 5:45:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BUSHdude2000
They are classic run and hide kids.

Run and hide? This is the group that believes there should be no more restriction on the sale and carry of firearms than there would be for a circular saw.

Too bad "conservative" Republicans caved on the 2A issue.

58 posted on 10/02/2003 6:03:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: archy
I have a fresh BS in Electrical Engineering.
My concentration was in Controls.

You can still smell the wet ink.
59 posted on 10/02/2003 8:22:04 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: BUSHdude2000
We will do what the Socialists did in Vermont.

Of course.
60 posted on 10/02/2003 8:23:17 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If I remember correctly, that last picture was taken from a scenic tourist spot just above the Gap. How close am I?

Right on the money, a great spot for a picnic. There's even some tables/benches set up for that purpose, or were last time I was out that way.

Pretty country. And I understand the railroad is going to get new tracks to link up with Portland, ME, which will make the place even more visitor accessable.

click here for the BIG one, from Rt. 16-taken 10/20/02

61 posted on 10/02/2003 9:37:16 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Dead Corpse; GOPcapitalist
The limpertarians don't win jack. If you read my other posts you'd see that I suggest they join the GOP and work to change it from within. Instead, the limps "run and hide" with their toys because not everyone agrees with them. Have fun when you move to NH. If you limps were somehow able to pull off a US Senate victory (the biggest miracle of miracles), I'm sure your limp would be the "1" in those 99 - 1 votes. Very useful.
62 posted on 10/02/2003 10:46:23 AM PDT by BUSHdude2000
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To: BUSHdude2000
Uh huh, and when John Ashcroft actually prosecutes Lon Horiouchi, or fires the Elian raiders, or prosecutes the doofus that shot off that Eagle Scout's face, or can find his ass with both hands and a flashlight, and the Republicans otherwise stop behaving like The Stupid Party, I'd agree with you. But they don't.

And who's afraid of a little Real Federalism?
63 posted on 10/02/2003 10:52:34 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: AzSteven
Is this group a limited government libertarian group, or an 'I want free drugs' libertarian group?

Check out the FSP's Links page.

Looks like mish-mash that includes drug legalization (of course), along with some RKBA links, Gay/Lesbian groups, anti-tax/militia groups, and so on.

64 posted on 10/02/2003 10:53:19 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: eno_
You've obviously missed my points. If the limps would infiltrate (for the lack of a better word) the GOP and work to change it from within, they'd be more successful in the long run by changing minds of Republicans rather than working to defeat them.
65 posted on 10/02/2003 11:12:40 AM PDT by BUSHdude2000
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To: BUSHdude2000
Why work with people who have opposite goals as us? Republicans are not the part of limited government, Constitutional rights, self-reliance, and personal liberty. Maybe in NH they are slightly better than the rest of the country, but everywhere you turn, the GOP = "the stupid party", always moving left to keep up with the Dems.

We will probably form a coalition with Republicans in NH, but any alliances formed will force the GOP to move towards the right, unlike their usual slide to the left.

Just because you are a defeatist GOP hack doesn't mean that the rest of us are. Keep blabbing, bub, but we are gonna work towards liberty, if the GOP wants to join us, more power to them.

How does the saying go? "I never left the GOP, the GOP left me"...
66 posted on 10/02/2003 11:22:10 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: bc2
We will probably form a coalition with Republicans in NH, but any alliances formed will force the GOP to move towards the right, unlike their usual slide to the left.

Exactly my point and that is a good plan. I suggest the GOP because they are closer to your views than the demonrats. I live down in Texas near your 1988 hero Ron Paul. He did the right thing by staying away from a nowhere party and getting in the GOP where his views are given more credence.

67 posted on 10/02/2003 11:27:35 AM PDT by BUSHdude2000
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To: BUSHdude2000
The bottom line is that the GOP is not a conservative party anymore. Here in New York we have Republicans to thank for stupidly high taxes, the strongest gun bans in the nation, an overreaching nanny state gov, some of the harshest drug laws in the nation (that take power away from elected judges) and too much more to think about.

Thanks, Republicans.

The sooner the true conservatives split from the GOP, the better. That party is too polluted by socialist-lite ideology. Republicans have 2 branches of government, and still the government grows bigger faster, while liberty is lost more and more.

There are plenty of Republicans who care about the Constitution, it's rule of law, and liberty. However, they have been stifled by these moderate socialists who control the party. It's time they stopped enabling them. Maybe the Democrats will win the White House once again while true conservatives bond together.

Recent history has shown us that Congressional Republicans work towards liberty and conservative issues a little bit harder when they are the minority party.

Tell you what, if you think the FSP is such a joke, just stay down there in Texas. Don't worry about us. But I have a feeling our hard work will pay off, and NH can be seen as a model State for liberty and conservative ideology at work without all the nanny state nonsense that goes along with the ever increasing turn towards American socialism that is gaining ground in both major parties.
68 posted on 10/02/2003 11:48:24 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: BUSHdude2000
Well then, you should support the FSP because, just like with issues of federalism, party politics could best be influenced one state at a time. Success in New Hampshire would create a template that could be used in larger states.
69 posted on 10/02/2003 11:58:22 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: BUSHdude2000
Yes. We did that. The RLC and Ron Paul.

You don't turn the tide with a tea spoon. You build a dam.

Consider yourself damned.

70 posted on 10/02/2003 12:12:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: BUSHdude2000
If you read my other posts you'd see that I suggest they join the GOP and work to change it from within.

"Conservatives" don't even have influence in the Republican Party. And you think libertarians should try to change the GOP from within?

You are missing the point entirely here, anyway. This is not about any political party. The establishment has convinced the sheeple that we have a "Two Party System". These people are tired of playing the political game. They are making an end run around the establishment. And as far as being outvoted in Congress by the rest of the country, there is always the seccessionist card to play!

71 posted on 10/02/2003 4:52:41 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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