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Apple-Pie Eugenics: War Against the Weak
BreakPoint ^ | 2 Oct 03 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 10/02/2003 10:48:45 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

See if you can guess the source of this quote. "It is better for all the world . . . [if] society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind . . . Three generations of imbeciles is enough."

If you think that this quote came from a Nazi document, you're wrong. It's from Oliver Wendell Holmes's 1927 majority opinion in BUCK V. BELL that upheld a Virginia law mandating the sterilization of the "feebleminded."

Twenty years later, Holmes's words were thrown back in our face by Nazi defendants in the Nuremberg trials. You see, while the Nazis' worst crimes may have ended at Auschwitz, they "began on Long Island."

That's the conclusion of a new book, WAR AGAINST THE WEAK: EUGENICS AND AMERICA'S CAMPAIGN TO CREATE A MASTER RACE written by Edwin Black, who contends that American "corporate philanthropies helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele."

Eugenics, which literally means "good birth," originally referred to the use of selective breeding to "improve" the human race. Of course, what was meant by "improve" reflected the racism and bigotry of the eugenicists. Blacks, Jews, Eastern and Southern Europeans, the retarded, and even people with brown hair were the targets of the "improvers."

Thus, between 1900 and the mid-sixties, "hundreds of thousands of Americans . . . were not permitted to continue their families by reproducing." Black compares it to "ethnic cleansing," and he's right.

The tools of American eugenics included forcible sterilization, commitment to mental institutions, prohibitions against marriage, and even dissolution of already existing marriages. One Michigan legislator went so far as to introduce a bill calling for the electrocution of severely retarded infants.

Eventually, American eugenics, with help from the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation, Margaret Sanger, and others, found its way to Germany. While "Nazi eugenics quickly outpaced American eugenics in both velocity and ferocity," Black writes, the connection between the two was never lost. As one American eugenicist told the Richmond TIMES-DISPATCH, "the Germans are beating us at our own game."

The Holocaust and other crimes of the Third Reich made eugenics a bad word, and the American connection was quickly swept under the rug. But the attempt to play God "never really stopped."

Today it takes the form of "human genomic science and corporate globalization." Instead of racist declarations, we have "polished PR campaigns" that hold out the promises of biotech: miracle cures and ever-increasing life expectancies.

While the word eugenics is never used, that's what it is. We are intent on eliminating "imperfection" from the gene pool. Even today, children whose "deformities" are discovered in utero are rarely permitted to be born. And as genetic technology improves, the list of those whom Black calls the "never-born" will continue to expand.

If the "abolition of man" is to be stopped, this story must be told. Christians need to pull the truth about eugenics out from underneath the rug and hold it up as a reminder of where playing God leads us. Six decades of denial is enough.


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1 posted on 10/02/2003 10:48:45 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 10/02/2003 10:49:49 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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3 posted on 10/02/2003 10:50:23 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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4 posted on 10/02/2003 10:50:25 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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Weren't the founders of Planned Parenthood all Eugenecists?
5 posted on 10/02/2003 10:58:50 AM PDT by sc2_ct
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To: Mr. Silverback
The eugenics movement was quite populare in the first half to of the 20th century. Many prominent well-respected people supported the ideas and it was gaining more and more legitimacy until WWII when, the obvious comparison to Nazi though was unavoidable. Eugenics lost favor quickly.

We forget that many of our states had already enacted legislation to involuntarily sterilize people and worse was being planned.
6 posted on 10/02/2003 11:00:58 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Mr. Silverback
Three generations of imbeciles is enough.

Wow! Holmes was as prescient as Nostradamus in his ability to foresee the rise to power of the Kennedy family.

7 posted on 10/02/2003 11:01:03 AM PDT by LouD (Official GOP Vigilante: Fair and Honest Elections - Or Else!)
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To: sc2_ct
Weren't the founders of Planned Parenthood all Eugenecists?

Margaret Sanger started the Birth Control League in 1914 in New York. After WWII, it became the Planned Parenthood federation. Below, I have linked to a newspaper story I posted from 1950. The last line is:

Mrs. Sanger said that the federation should "stress quality as a prime essential in the birth and survival of our population."

That means exactly what it sounds like. She intended birth control and abortion to be used to improve the "quality" of the human race.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/991823/posts?page=65#65

8 posted on 10/02/2003 11:04:51 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Lorianne
It will make a comeback, and that's not a bad thing in my view. The important issue is who's controlling the application of eugenic principles. If it's a government, it's a terrifying thing (except as punishment for heinous crimes, like child rape), but if free individuals are making their own eugenic decisions, the results will reflect the beliefs and values of all free people, which is a very bright prospect in my book.
9 posted on 10/02/2003 11:12:11 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Perhaps it's a good thing if done passively, like choosing one's mate very carefully.

If it involves people voluntarily killing one's children if they are deemed not worthy of living, or say sterilizing one's children, or any number of possible other scenarios, then I wouldn't say it's a good thing.

I certainly agree about govenment control.
10 posted on 10/02/2003 11:27:35 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
The eugenics movement is alive and well today. Liberal-minded Americans have aborted 40mm of their offspring since 1973. As a result, this country is more Conservative than it has been in a century.
11 posted on 10/02/2003 11:39:17 AM PDT by presidio9 (Countdown to 27 World Championships...)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"Every child a planned child, every child a wanted child."

It'll build us all a brave new world.
12 posted on 10/02/2003 11:41:54 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("We hang petty thieves, we elevate the great ones to public office." Aesop, 600BC)
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To: Mr. Silverback
This is one of those hidden pieces of American history that is rarely discussed. Eugenics is an outcropping of humanism.
13 posted on 10/02/2003 11:45:12 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: presidio9
The eugenics movement is alive and well today.

I agree. It is interesting how "population control" is only utilized on poor areas - Africa and assorted third world areas. The elites want fewer poor around.

14 posted on 10/02/2003 11:47:08 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Mr. Silverback
A few years ago, I saw an article from the Northeast about some graduate student who'd
stumbled across a bunch of old, forgotten eugenics records during her research.
I may be confused, but I think the records were from that progressive state...Vermont.

Whether I got the state correct, it was interesting because the student did
track down some of the surviving victims of this system...but the most interesting
comment was about how
the article included a comment from a citizen who observed that one of the victims
had some close relative who'd produced three generations of low-IQ criminals...

I've got to check out this book to see if it discusses The Pioneer Fund, which I heard
mentioned as a funding device for eugenics supported (in part) by FDR.
15 posted on 10/02/2003 11:50:36 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Lorianne
Choosing not to reproduce, if one has lousy genes, is another option that really shouldn't frighten anyone. And that is very definitely "eugenics".
16 posted on 10/02/2003 12:15:10 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Zack Nguyen
Maybe the "elites" want less suffering, and a better chance to improve the lives of the poor and suffering, instead of having all efforts to help them neutralized by their ever-expanding numbers. But population control is really separate issue from eugenics. Even a genetically outstanding population will be a pit of misery, if it keeps reproducing faster than it can grow its economy and education levels.
17 posted on 10/02/2003 12:19:09 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
if free individuals are making their own eugenic decisions, the results will reflect the beliefs and values of all free people, which is a very bright prospect in my book.

It's totally chilling in mine. We will not remain free if we continue to thumb our nose at God and play God. Just my humble opinion.

18 posted on 10/02/2003 12:26:56 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Mr. Silverback
Low IQs 'shouldn't have children' (Denmark)

19 posted on 10/02/2003 12:32:31 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The socialist revolution is almost complete.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I can't believe they left out Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger - another Eugenics/Nazi...
20 posted on 10/02/2003 12:35:32 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (<Tag>Something unspeakably clever</Tag>)
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To: VOA
Yes, it was Vermont - Some relatives of my ancestors were forcibly sterilized...
21 posted on 10/02/2003 12:37:42 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (<Tag>Something unspeakably clever</Tag>)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Yes, it was Vermont - Some relatives of my ancestors were forcibly sterilized...

1. Thanks for confirming my recollection.
2. Sorry to hear some of your extended family got caught by our home-grown Nazis.
22 posted on 10/02/2003 12:58:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Actually, Maggie was in there:
"Eventually, American eugenics, with help from the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation, Margaret Sanger, and others, found its way to Germany."
23 posted on 10/02/2003 1:01:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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To: Pete
That means exactly what it sounds like. She intended birth control and abortion to be used to improve the "quality" of the human race.

Yes, exactly. She was very concerned about the way that "undesirables" tended to reproduce in greater numbers than the "more refined" specimens, though some of that was not factual and was the usual racist bilge portraying Blacks and non-Nordic Europeans as sex-crazy. That's why she located her first clinics in minority neighborhoods, claiming she was there to help poor women control their bodies, but really just working hard to keep their birth-rate low. The BCL also sent Black preachers through the South to preach the birth-control doctrine, and idea Sanger came up with personally.

24 posted on 10/02/2003 1:06:53 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Not as prominently as is deserved.
25 posted on 10/02/2003 1:07:04 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (<Tag>Something unspeakably clever</Tag>)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
But population control is really separate issue from eugenics. Even a genetically outstanding population will be a pit of misery, if it keeps reproducing faster than it can grow its economy and education levels.

Population control does nothing to promote a free society or free markets. Somebody already made that bet for you, and you lost.

The bet was made in 1980 between biologist Paul Ehrlich and economist Paul Simon. Ehrlich, the author of The Population Bomb, believed that increasing population would bring disaster and perhaps extinction for the human race. Simon, an economist, reasoned that people are an asset, not a liability. They bet $1,000 on the prices of five common, but vital, raw materials such as grain and oil. If they became scarce, as Ehrlich predicted, the prices would rise. After ten years the prices of all five materials had dropped. Population was not the problem. Though there were more people, resources were more abundant. People were using or producing them more efficiently.

Where would you rather live-- North or South Korea? It’s not population that matters, but freedom. Free people produce more and better goods and more wealth, and wealthy nations treat the environment well.

26 posted on 10/02/2003 1:17:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
True.
27 posted on 10/02/2003 1:18:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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Very Important PING. Please read.

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28 posted on 10/02/2003 1:40:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Mr. Silverback; All
Sing A Little Louder (Christians and the American Holocaust)

http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature/literature_909sl.asp

The following story entitled "Sing A Little Louder", told by an old weeping "Christian" man, holds a very important message for us today. May its words ring loud and clear, reminding all Christians everywhere the consequences of our [physical and spiritual] uninvolvement. May our L-rd G-d Almighty Who is Israel's Savior, Redeemer, and King, forgive us our sins, and deliver us from that cursed spirit of indifference. May the following poem entitled "The Passenger" also help us to clearly see this truth

"SING A LITTLE LOUDER"
After a speech, Pro-Life activist Penny Lea was approached by an old man. Weeping, he told her the following story:

I lived in Germany during the Nazi holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. I attended Church since I was a small boy. We had heard the stories of what was happening to the Jews, but like most people today in this country, we tried to distance ourselves from the reality of what was really taking place. What could anyone do to stop it? "A railroad track ran behind our small church, and each Sunday morning we would hear the whistle from the distance and then the clacking of the wheels moving over the track. We became disturbed when one Sunday we noticed cries coming from the train as it passed by. We grimly realized that the train was carrying Jews. They were like cattle in those cars! "Week after week that train whistle would blow. We would dread to hear the sound of those old wheels because we knew that the Jews would begin to cry to us as they passed our church. It was so terribly disturbing! We could do nothing to help these poor miserable people, yet their screams tormented us. We knew exactly at what time that whistle would blow, and we decided the only way to keep from being so disturbed by the cries was to start singing our hymns. By the time the train came rumbling past the church yard, we were singing at the top of our voices. If some of the screams reached our ears, we'd just sing a little louder until we could hear them no more. Years passed and no one talks about it much anymore, but I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. I can still hear them crying out for help. G-d forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians, yet did nothing to intervene."

"Their screams tormented us . . . If some of their screams reached our ears we'd just sing a little louder."

Now, so many years later, I see it happening all over again in America. God forgive you as Americans for you have blocked out the screams of millions of your own children. The holocaust is here. The response is the same as it was in my country - SILENCE!"

Have you ever wondered HOW people could have stood by and let the holocaust just happen? Do you wonder why the Christians in this story chose to just sing their praise to God a little louder to drown out the victim's cries?

The old man's story is in the past. The past cannot be changed. It is easy to think we would act differently now. But the old man's last words are haunting "It's happening all over again in America with abortion. The Holocaust is here."

As American Christians, we have become so comfortable in our lovely buildings and padded pews. We have beautiful fellowship halls for our many banquets. We have the latest sound equipment for our praise and worship. We have computers to keep our records. We gather together each week and shut ourselves inside our buildings. We raise our voices as loud as we can, all in the name of God.

And yet, in the heavenly realm, our voices raised in praise are drowned out by screams of agony from millions of babies who are being executed before they are born. We can't see them. We can't hear them. But it is happening right now!

Babies are being aborted UP UNTIL THE DAY OF BIRTH in this country. Their organs and brains are "harvested" for use in medical experimentation. In Wichita, Kansas, the smoke stack from the furnace of Dr. Tiller's abortion clinic belches out black smoke and the sickening smell of burning flesh. These are the bodies of 7th, 8th and 9th month old babies being "disposed of".

If the Christians in the old man's church had done something, they would have probably been killed. That is not the case with us. We don't even have that as an excuse for our silence.

Years from now will you be like that old man trying to explain your apathy as millions were led away to slaughter in abortion clinics? Or will you raise your voice and cry out in protest for those who have no voice! The choice is YOURS!

THE PASSENGER Penny Lea

"I found myself in anger, I cried out in despair. I prayed, "L-rd let them hear me! Let just one person care!" I raised my voice to heaven as the train kept moving on, as we passed behind the church yard! I could hear the worship songs. I cried out all the louder to the Christians there inside, but they raised the chorus louder not hearing me outside. I knew they heard the whistle and the clacking of the tracks. They knew that I was going to die and still they turned their backs. I said, "Father in heaven how can your people be so very hard of hearing to the cry of one like me? I shouted, "Please have mercy! Just a prayer before I die!" But they sang a little louder to the Holy One on High. They raised their hands to Heaven but the blood was dripping down. The blood of all the innocent their voices tried to drown. They have devotions daily, they function in My Name, and they never even realized it was I upon that train.

FACTS ABOUT ABORTION

Fact: In the United States it is legal to abort a baby up until the day of birth.

Fact: In the D&X procedure babies are "partially aborted" so the head is still in the cervix but the body is out. While in this position the live baby is still considered an "abortion" therefore a non-person. The live baby's brains are sucked out and the other organs are harvested and sold to "researchers". The baby receives no anesthesia and is alive until the procedure kills him.

Fact: Every day in America about 4,400 babies die painful deaths by dismemberment, chemical poisoning, lethal injections into the heart, being torn limb from limb and now, being partially delivered and having their brains sucked out and their organs sold.

Fact: Abortion has two victims - the baby and the mother. Many women who have abortions suffer both physically and mentally. Depression, anxiety, grief, infection, sterility and even death are not uncommon as a result of the abortion.

Fact: Only 1% of abortions are performed as a result of rape or incest. Most abortions are done as a form of birth control because the baby is "inconvenient", "too expensive", or a "burden".

29 posted on 10/02/2003 1:45:21 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Wasn't there a very strong Socialist connection to this?
30 posted on 10/02/2003 1:45:37 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Thats fine to. Abstaining from sex or voluntarily having yourself sterilized is a fine option if you feel for any reason you shouldn't procreate. Voluntary being the most important word.
31 posted on 10/02/2003 1:45:37 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Mr. Silverback
,,, the Rockefellers hold the patents for RU486. No surprise.
32 posted on 10/02/2003 1:52:01 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: cpforlife.org

G-d forgive all of us who called ourselves Christians, yet did nothing to intervene."

I was there as a young man," he sobbed, "and I can still hear the sound of the shattering glass. There were many of us who were Christians then, and we did nothing. We looked the other way, and we did nothing. That was the beginning of the Holocaust, because the "Jew-haters" knew then that no one would stop them. No one would stand in their way." Dr. Laurence White Senior Pastor, Our Savior Lutheran Church ...

33 posted on 10/02/2003 2:27:54 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Mr. Silverback

It's from Oliver Wendell Holmes's 1927 majority opinion in BUCK V. BELL that upheld a Virginia law mandating the sterilization of the "feebleminded."

For three decades, Holmes brought his distinctively Darwinian bias to the Court. He spoke candidly: "I see no reason for attributing to man a significance different in kind from that which belongs to a baboon or a grain of sand." Do Laws and Standards Evolve?

A person convicted of killing a bald eagle can be fined up to $250,000 and receive a two-year prison term. SLAIN EAGLE FOUND IN N.J.

 

 

34 posted on 10/02/2003 2:53:13 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Mr. Silverback
The troubling aspect of the eugenics movement is that it had the support of most of the countries elites. From both sides of the political spectrum. The last head of the eugenics institute located on Long Island quietly resigned after World War Two as the institute foundered. Vannavar Bush was his name.
The elites of this country owe their allegiance only to the others in their class. An occasional Ted Turner, Bill Gates, or Arnold Schwartzeneggar are allowed in for incentive purposes or to allow for an escape valve against rebellion.
John Taylor Gatto's book The Underground History of Public Education goes on for several chapters about this topic.
35 posted on 10/02/2003 3:25:42 PM PDT by rector seal
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To: cpforlife.org
Just what I was referring to. Thanks so much for posting it.
36 posted on 10/02/2003 4:14:09 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Free Republic--Heartland Values, Think Tank Intellect.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; drstevej; xzins; Gamecock; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Wrigley; nobodysfool; CCWoody; ...
Ok, this Eugenics business is one of my pet peeves, so to speak. I would like to invite several of my Christian friends who have been charging me with heresy for a while now. I have no reason to doubt that you all are well-intentioned and truly love Jesus.

My own take on Eugenics involves PlannedParenthood and old Margaret Sanger but it goes further because of Chesterton's book EUGENICS AND OTHER EVILS. The bottom line for Chesterton, writng in the 1920's was that Eugenics is an intentional program that has been promoted by the Industrial Capitalists who controled and owned the newspapers as far back as the times around WWI. I hope you all can relate to this discussion.

37 posted on 10/02/2003 4:14:43 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I think that you are ignoring the ethical and moral issues involved with eugenic programs such as abortion. If an individual chooses to abort a child that does not change the basic moral delema, which is; who can own another human being and have the power to end their life?
38 posted on 10/02/2003 4:18:42 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: Lorianne
We forget that many of our states had already enacted legislation to involuntarily sterilize people and worse was being planned.

As opposed to now, when we taxpayers subsidize the breeding of the dimmest and least capable. Look how far we've come!

39 posted on 10/02/2003 4:21:18 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: RichardMoore
***I would like to invite several of my Christian friends who have been charging me with heresy for a while now.***

What chu talkin' about, Willis?

Why was I pinged to this?

(BTW, I opposed eugenic abortion.)
40 posted on 10/02/2003 4:28:04 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Trailerpark Badass
My grandma will not go to a hospital to this day. The reason is that she saw her sister-in-law and her sister go in to have their babies and come out with hysterectomies.

I suppose we should be thankful that the doctor was content just to sterilize them.

41 posted on 10/02/2003 4:31:50 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Beware magic tricks involving bartops.)
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To: Zack Nguyen; drstevej; xzins; Gamecock; OrthodoxPresbyterian; nobodysfool; CCWoody; RnMomof7; ...
Eugenics in the USA is the direct result of Industrial Capitalism. By the turn of the century in 1900 the major newspapers were all owned or controlled by those who had control over industry. They realized that they could not afford to pay one man enough to have a large family so they set about to convincing the common man to have smaller families. They began promoting easy divorce, contraception and abortion, all things that the Rich were able to obtain were offered to the average Joe and Jane.

Knee-jerk accusations of Socialism should be checked at the door. We have Socialism and Capitalism coexisting in great harmony; something else that Chesterton predicted. I am no Socialist, nor a capitalist. I'm a "wage slave" like most folks today. The answers reside in some exercising of some intellectual muscles that are generally subordinated to imagination. It should be the other way around.

My debt to FJ Sheed should be acknowledged.

42 posted on 10/02/2003 4:32:33 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: drstevej
Now don't get your buns in an uproar, I thought that you might be interested. The connection with good old American freethinking is what is interesting here. I say that it is also connected with "private"{it's hardly private any more} enterprise.
43 posted on 10/02/2003 4:41:08 PM PDT by RichardMoore
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To: GovernmentShrinker
But population control is really separate issue from eugenics.

As far as being separate activities, you may be right, though the two are sometimes tied together. Both result in fewer children from the poor. Both stem from a humanistic belief that some people (usually people that look different from us and live in a different part of town) shouldn't be a burden on the rest of us.

http://www.pop.org

44 posted on 10/02/2003 5:04:36 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I'd rather do that than live in a country where the government can violate people's bodies at will.
46 posted on 10/02/2003 5:28:35 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
I'd rather do that than live in a country where the government can violate people's bodies at will.

I'd rather live in a country that does neither.

47 posted on 10/02/2003 5:32:25 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: VOA
I used to work in a major medical school library. There were serials on eugenics, all of which stopped publishing in the 40's. Hmmm....

There was a lot of medical material at the time, too. It was a hot topic.
48 posted on 10/02/2003 5:57:32 PM PDT by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: Zack Nguyen


Perhaps you haven't noticed that poor people the world over have significantly higher birth rates than wealthier people. Better educated (read wealthier) people have practiced "population control" on themselves first, because they are able to see its tremendous positive impact on quality of life. When they suggest that poor people should try the same thing, this isn't an effort to oppress poor people, any more than when wealthier, better educated people suggest that poor, uneducated people should be encouraged and helped to stay in school longer.

Other people's poverty and ignorance are burdens on the wealthy and educated, only to the extent that the wealthy and educated choose to take on those burdens; poverty and ignorance are burdens on the poor and ignoratnt no matter what.
49 posted on 10/02/2003 6:09:38 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: RichardMoore
Up to a point (as long as the fetus is still dependent exclusively on the mother for survival), I'd say the power to end a life should rest with the people who started it (or just the mother, if the father is the sort who can't be located).

But all sorts of eugenic practices can be implemented without abortion (and some of the worst have not involved abortion -- Hitler wasn't exactly known for his abortion programs), so as far as I'm concerned eugenics and abortion are separate issues.
50 posted on 10/02/2003 6:15:06 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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