WMD (The Smoking Gun) FOUND !

Hindustan Times ^ | 2 October A.D. 2003 | Associated Press, Kuwait City

[Ryan Bailey]

Kuwait foils smuggling of chemicals, bio warheads from Iraq Associated Press Kuwait City, October 2

Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country, a Kuwaiti newspaper said on Wednesday. The pro-Government Al-Siyassah, quoting an unnamed security source, said the suspects had been watched by security since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time." It did not say when or how the smugglers entered Kuwait or when they were arrested.

The paper said the smugglers might have had accomplices inside Kuwait. It said Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah would hand over the smuggled weapons to an FBI agent at a news conference, but did not say when.

Government officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

Iraqi Interior Minister Nouri Al-Badran met on Tuesday with Sheik Nawwaf and discussed cooperation between the two countries in security matters. His visit is the first by an Iraqi interior minister to Kuwait since 1990.

[Ryan Bailey]

Today marks a glad day for all men of good will, perhaps the happiest day since 9 April A.D. 2003; V-I Day. Today we have found proof of WMD's in liberated Iraq. This short article, which is being blocked by the mainstream liberal media, is proof of the validity of our Excellent President, and vindication of the heroic actions of our valiant fighting men.

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[GeronL]

Did you see the new article from the Sun in the UK??

[the Real fifi]

Sorry--this ran all day yesterday..Reuters has a follow up today which just mentions "artifacts" and "some other " things.

[b4its2late]

I think I saw this on October 1st....... But it's good to read it again.

[Mo1]

Is this for real??

Oh Please let this be for real ..

[CyberAnt]

Brit Hume - FOX - talked about it today.

[RWR8189]

Its the "Hindustan" Times...

Needless to say, Im more than a little skeptical..

[MHGinTN]

Link please.

[jwalsh07]

Arab journalism. Your guess is as good as mine. Yesterdays WMD is todays artifacts.

[GeronL]

WMD: Blair was right!

[MissAmericanPie]

Bingo

[GeronL]

there is an FR thread somewhere

[xm177e2]

Uh huh. I believe this news story. Yeah. That's the ticket.

[Consort]

This story has been posted several time and was pulled at least once. What's going on? Is it a sick joke or has it been confirmed?

[LiteKeeper]

SPOTREP - WMD

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Posted yesterday friend. I haven't heard anything more regarding it. But I questioned its validity as they said they were going to turn 60 million dollars worth of chemical and biological weapons over to a lone FBI agent.

[GeronL]

Go read the Sun article. They have a totally different spin on the WMD's than our media.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003452768,00.html

[ATCNavyRetiree]

I'll celebrate when it comes out in the major media for all the world to see.
Let's face it folks, it is...sadly...going to take another attack on the scale of 9-11 to wake the nation to the threat we all face!

[aSkeptic]

source

KUWAIT, Oct 2 (Reuters) - Kuwaiti authorities have seized archaeological artefacts and "other items" smuggled from Iraq into Kuwait, Deputy Prime Minister Sheikh Nawaf al-Ahmad al-Sabah said in remarks published on Thursday.

"Kuwaiti security forces were able to seize some Iraqi artefacts smuggled to Kuwait," al-Sabah, who is also interior minister, was quoted as saying by al-Seyassah daily. He did not identify the other items.

Al-Sabah was responding to a question about a report the paper carried on Wednesday that Kuwaiti security forces had foiled an attempt to smuggle artefacts, chemical materials and biological warheads from Iraq to a European country via Kuwait.

Kuwaiti security sources told Reuters on Wednesday the report on the seizure of such weapons was baseless.

Asked about the report of seized biological warheads, al-Sabah also told al-Qabas newspaper: "Up to now we have not verified this...There are some artefacts that were seized which we are examining to see if they are real or fake."

Iraqi authorities estimate more than 10,000 artefacts are still missing from the Iraqi National Museum, including antiquities from the world's earliest civilisations. The museum was looted in April after the U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein.

More than 400 items were also seized by Jordanian customs authorities at the border with Iraq.

"We are now going to present those (artefacts) to experts and specialists to check their authenticity. Other items have also been seized which we will examine and announce (the findings) soon," added al-Sabah.

Al-Sabah's remarks were made to reporters late on Wednesday after talks with Iraq's new interior minister Nouri Badran.

Badran, who discussed bilateral security issues with al-Sabah, was quoted as saying that many infiltrators into Iraq have been arrested recently, including Saudis and Syrians.

Official relations have warmed between Kuwait and Iraq after the ousting of Saddam, whose army invaded and occupied the tiny oil-rich country for seven months in 1990. ((editing by Alison Williams; Kuwait newsroom, +965 246 0350))

[Political Junkie Too]

They have a totally different spin on the WMD's than our media.

Let me guess. Our media will claim that a new, 10-year old undercover CIA spy planted this, and now her promising future career is ruined by the Kuwaiti leak.

-PJ

[deport]

Iraq investigator tells legislators no WMD

By Christian Bourge
UPI Congressional and Policy Correspondent
Published 10/2/2003 8:20 PM
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WASHINGTON, Oct. 2 (UPI) -- The CIA official in charge of the U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq told Congress Thursday that although no actual chemical, biological or nuclear devices have been discovered, evidence has been found that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein planned to reconstitute his weapons programs.

"At this time there is substantial evidence of an intent of senior level Iraqi officials, including Saddam, to continue production at some future point of time of weapons of mass destruction," David Kay said following his Senate briefing Thursday afternoon.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20031002-043111-3543r

[GeronL]

Go read the SUN article

[deport]

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[the Real fifi]

Go to www.andrewsullivan.com. He asays forgot the distorted stories--read the report..and if you haven't time, read his summary. It proves beyond doubt that the minute the inspectors left, SH was back in the WMD business.

[GeronL]

You forgot the Sun articles.

1) WMD: Blair was right. and the sidebar 'UN did not want to know'

[pawdoggie]

It's too bad the Kuwait seizure of WMD business probably won't pan out. Even if it did, the Dominant Media would attempt to discredit it by reminding us of the "babies thrown out of incubators" stories from Desert Storm. Jennings, Rather, Brokaw, etc. must think they hit the trifecta. Stories about a "White House" leak of a CIA agent's name, the Rush Limbaugh allegations, and the last minute smear of Schwartzenegger to throw the California recall (which all the alphabet networks clearly opposed)to Davis. Now there trying to distort the Kay Report. It's about time for a little Presidential leadership here, before the markets start reacting and the wheels really come off.

[Lady In Blue]

I read on another site,about a 1/2 hour ago that one poster said that he had heard on his local conservative talk show,hosted by G Gordon Liddy's son, Tom that this story is TRUE and that the FBI and the CIA have the weapons in hand.Somebody else said on another post that Brit Hume's mentioned this story this evening but I didn't see "Special Report."

[GretchenEE]

It was first reported yesterday in the Dow-Jones Wire Service.

I am eager to hear if this is being reported by the Washington Times, etc.

[kimosabe31]

bump

[JustPiper]

This came out on 10-1 at WND but all day long all news kept reporting none found like a broken record!

Kuwait foils Iraqi-WMD smuggling attempt
Report: Biological warheads, chemical arms en route to Europe snagged

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Posted: October 1, 2003
5:54 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Following months of frustrated searches by hundreds of U.S. and British investigators for Saddam's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, some have turned up in Kuwait, according to Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.

The pro-government daily reports Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country.

Citing an unnamed security source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under surveillance since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time."

No details about the suspects, possible accomplices, where the weapons came from in Iraq and how they were acquired were disclosed.

The smuggled arms will be turned over to an FBI agent by Kuwaiti Interior Minister Sheik Nawwaf Al Ahmed Al Sabah, according to the paper. No time was given for the news conference where this handover is slated to take place.

The reported find of weapons of mass destruction comes on the eve of testimony by David Kay, the head of the CIA-led team of some 1,200 investigators, before House and Senate intelligence committees. Kay is due to offer an interim report on the status of their search for WMD in Iraq.

The Washington Post reports Kay is expected to float a working theory that the ousted Iraqi president was bluffing about possessing weapons of mass destruction to appear as more of a threat than he actually was.

[edchambers]

Brit Hume - FOX - talked about it today. That gives it a bit more creditability.The media and the administraton have been burned before so I suspect they're having it confirmed in three seperate countrys like they did every other suspected sample they found

[weegee]

Kuwaiti security authorities have foiled an attempt to smuggle $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country...

France???

[weegee]

Why talk about WMD this week? The press will get to it "soon enough", right now they have 2 fronts on which to attack the unelected Rush Limbaugh.

The Rats control the media's agenda and getting back into power tops the agenda.

[BlessedBeGod]

WMD: Blair was right

[putupon]

WMD (The Smoking Gun) FOUND !

and the number one frontpage headline in my local fishwrap this morning, The Richmond Times Dispatch, reads in huge letters(hardcopy, not on online version or I would link):

"Searcher sees no proof of illicit Iraqi weapons"

which is placed over a photo so big it almost covers the entire width of the paper of a wounded soldier being removed from a helicoptor on a stretcher.

[RottiBiz]

I trust Brit Hume and he reported this story in the "Grapevine" segment.

I thought I was hearing things, so last night I double checked my VCR tape of the show and took the following notes to share with my husband:

"Kuwaiti authorities have foiled a plot to smuggle sixteen (that's how I heard it) million dollars worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads into Europe.

They will be turned over to the FBI, but they didn't say when."

[TaxRelief]

You will now always have the front page of your local fish wrap available for posting:

Normally it can be reduced to 217 x 400, but it destroyed the clarity this morning. (BTW, this magic link will always be the most recent issue available at the newseum.)

[Grampa Dave]

This whole Yellowcake Scam 2 revival re Wilson and his Plameout has been brought out to distract America from the dangerous realities of the $oddomites re WMDs.

Just read Andrew Sullivan's article re David Kay's report to congress on $oddomite's WMD attempts. You will not read this data in the left wing lunatic media.

Andrew Sullivan: READ THE (WMD) REPORT
andrewsullivan.com ^ | 10/03/03 | Andrew Sullivan


Posted on 10/02/2003 9:33 PM PDT by Pokey78


If you think that David Kay's report on Iraqi WMDs can be adequately summarized by idiotic headlines such as: "No Illicit Arms Found in Iraq," then you need to read this report. If you believe the following "news analysis" by David Sanger in today's New York Times summarizes the findings of David Kay, then you need to read this report. Sanger's piece is, in fact, political propaganda disguised as analysis, designed to obscure and distort the evidence that you can read with your own eyes. His opening paragraph culminates in a simple, knowing, well-crafted lie:

The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: that Saddam Hussein's armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.
That is not what the administration claimed. (The Times has even had to run a correction recently correcting their attempt, retroactively, to distort and misrepresent the administration's position.) The administration claimed that Saddam had used WMDs in the past, had hidden materials from the United Nations, was hiding a continued program for weapons of mass destruction, and that we should act before the threat was imminent. The argument was that it was impossible to restrain Saddam Hussein unless he were removed from power and disarmed. The war was based on the premise that Saddam had clearly violated U.N. resolutions, was in open breach of such resolutions and was continuing to conceal his programs with the intent of restarting them in earnest once sanctions were lifted. Having read the report carefully, I'd say that the administration is vindicated in every single respect of that argument. This war wasn't just moral; it wasn't just prudent; it was justified on the very terms the administration laid out. And we don't know the half of it yet.

THE MONEY QUOTES: If you don't have time, here are my highlights. First off:

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN.
Translation: Saddam was lying to the U.N. as late as 2002. He was required by the U.N. to fully cooperate. He didn't. The war was justified on those grounds alone. Case closed. Some of the physical evidence still remains, despite what was clearly a deliberate, coordinated and thorough attempt to destroy evidence before during and after the war. Among the discoveries:
* A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

* A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

* Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

* Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

* A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

* Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

* Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

* Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.
Would you be happy, after 9/11, if the president had allowed such capabilities to remain at large, and be reinvigorated, with French and Russian help, after sanctions were removed? I wouldn't. But the New York Times and Dominique de Villepin would have happily looked the other way rather than do anything real to enforce the very resolutions they claimed to support.

THERE'S MORE: One of the crazy premises of the "Where Are They?" crowd is that we would walk into that huge country and find large piles of Acme bombs with anthrax in them. That's not what a WMD program is about; and never was. Saddam was careful. He had to hide from the U.N. and he had to find ways, over more than a decade, to maintain a WMD program as best he could, ready to reactivate whenever the climate altered in his favor. Everything points to such a strategy and to such weapons being maintained. The bio-warfare stuff is particularly worrying:

With regard to biological warfare activities, which has been one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.
Mustard gas in a matter of months. And concealment all the time:
A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings, site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing this agent has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked, but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache.
When you read this kind of information, you can see why the president has ordered more money to go to this effort. We need every cent. We have to show to the world - and to the appeasers at home - the extent of the threat that this monstrous regime potentially represented.

FOR THE FUTURE: But Kay makes a more important point at the end. He notes that our ability to examine this entire edifice in a liberated Iraq, to see where our intelligence failed and where it succeeded, is a hugely helpful task in the broader war on terror. Over to Kay:

[W]hatever we find will probably differ from pre-war intelligence. Empirical reality on the ground is, and has always been, different from intelligence judgments that must be made under serious constraints of time, distance and information. It is, however, only by understanding precisely what those differences are that the quality of future intelligence and investment decisions concerning future intelligence systems can be improved. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is such a continuing threat to global society that learning those lessons has a high imperative.
Of course it has. I've waited a long time for this report, and kept my peace until it came out and we had some empirical data to measure. What we now see may not impress those who are looking for any way to discredit this administration and this war. But it shows to my mind the real danger that Saddam posed - and would still pose today, if one president and one prime minister hadn't had the fortitude to face him down. We live in a dangerous but still safer world because of it. Now is the time for the administration to stop the internal quibbling, the silence and passivity, and go back on the offensive. Show the dangers that the opposition was happy for us to tolerate; show the threat - real and potential - that this war averted; defend the record with pride and vigor; and fund the reconstruction in ways that will make it work now not just for our sake but for the sake of those once killed in large numbers by the weapons some are so eager not to find.

[mewzilla]

Brian Kilmeade just mentioned the story to Edward Turzansky (sp) on FOX. The guest didn't comment on the Kuwaiti story in particular, but I got the impression that there's a lot going on vis-a-vis the WMD thing that we won't know for a while.

[putupon]

thanks, i'll post today's bird cage liner as soon as it comes up

[TaxRelief]

That's the beauty of it: it changed all by itself.

Now tomorrow you'll have to find the archived version if you want it to always be in the thread.

[AgThorn]

bump

[bethelgrad]

why isn't this all over the news instead of Rush? why isn't the administration commenting on this? or have they and no ones reporting it?

[Grampa Dave]

I think that the libs saw this coming, and the problem with the traitors caught in Gitmo with connections to traitors in America, both American Islamonazis and Rat Politicians like $inator Hildebea$t who have received money from them.

They have had the sequel to the Yellowcake Scam on their back burners and blogs since the middle of July. So they released Yellowcake Scam II last Friday to hide the good news for our side and the bad news for their side.

The lunatic lefties in charge of the mediots and videoits will not allow the real stories to get out with good coverage. They have been playing this game since about 1960.

[StarCMC]

from Iraq to an unnamed European country

Anyone else thinking that un-named country to be France?

[RusIvan]

My 2 cents.
For what they try to impeach pres Clinton? For he poped that girl? I guess not. For he lied about it.

Same way is this matter. War was reasonable but why lie about it? Why do propaganda, make misrepresentions, distort inellegence?
Why not to go forward and say it is just for prevention and progression of ME. Sadam is no danger now but he will if to lift UN sanctions.
It seems that pres Bush has very bad advisers. He rather fired them.

[Grampa Dave]

Naw he has good advisers, his enemies are the ones who need new advisers.

[katana]

If you read the actual statements made by the president and the whole adminstration during the year leading up to the war finding weapons of mass destruction was never the main justification. That is a bald faced lie by the president's political opponents and their cohorts in our press.

The explicit (to anyone who can read or listen) justification for going to war was just what you stated, that is we could not afford to wait until Saddam had nuclear weapons in hand because (like the answer Roosevelt got from his secretary when he asked her opinion of what Hitler would do if he had a bomb that could destry a city) he would use it!

[finnman69]

This has been debunked by the Kuwaitis.