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Andrew Sullivan: READ THE (WMD) REPORT
andrewsullivan.com ^ | 10/03/03 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/02/2003 9:33:18 PM PDT by Pokey78

If you think that David Kay's report on Iraqi WMDs can be adequately summarized by idiotic headlines such as: "No Illicit Arms Found in Iraq," then you need to read this report. If you believe the following "news analysis" by David Sanger in today's New York Times summarizes the findings of David Kay, then you need to read this report. Sanger's piece is, in fact, political propaganda disguised as analysis, designed to obscure and distort the evidence that you can read with your own eyes. His opening paragraph culminates in a simple, knowing, well-crafted lie:

The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: that Saddam Hussein's armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.
That is not what the administration claimed. (The Times has even had to run a correction recently correcting their attempt, retroactively, to distort and misrepresent the administration's position.) The administration claimed that Saddam had used WMDs in the past, had hidden materials from the United Nations, was hiding a continued program for weapons of mass destruction, and that we should act before the threat was imminent. The argument was that it was impossible to restrain Saddam Hussein unless he were removed from power and disarmed. The war was based on the premise that Saddam had clearly violated U.N. resolutions, was in open breach of such resolutions and was continuing to conceal his programs with the intent of restarting them in earnest once sanctions were lifted. Having read the report carefully, I'd say that the administration is vindicated in every single respect of that argument. This war wasn't just moral; it wasn't just prudent; it was justified on the very terms the administration laid out. And we don't know the half of it yet.

THE MONEY QUOTES: If you don't have time, here are my highlights. First off:

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN.
Translation: Saddam was lying to the U.N. as late as 2002. He was required by the U.N. to fully cooperate. He didn't. The war was justified on those grounds alone. Case closed. Some of the physical evidence still remains, despite what was clearly a deliberate, coordinated and thorough attempt to destroy evidence before during and after the war. Among the discoveries:
* A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

* A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

* Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

* Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

* A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of  500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

* Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

* Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

* Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.
Would you be happy, after 9/11, if the president had allowed such capabilities to remain at large, and be reinvigorated, with French and Russian help, after sanctions were removed? I wouldn't. But the New York Times and Dominique de Villepin would have happily looked the other way rather than do anything real to enforce the very resolutions they claimed to support.

THERE'S MORE: One of the crazy premises of the "Where Are They?" crowd is that we would walk into that huge country and find large piles of Acme bombs with anthrax in them. That's not what a WMD program is about; and never was. Saddam was careful. He had to hide from the U.N. and he had to find ways, over more than a decade, to maintain a WMD program as best he could, ready to reactivate whenever the climate altered in his favor. Everything points to such a strategy and to such weapons being maintained. The bio-warfare stuff is particularly worrying:

With regard to biological warfare activities, which has been one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.
Mustard gas in a matter of months. And concealment all the time:
A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings, site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing this agent  has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked, but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache.
When you read this kind of information, you can see why the president has ordered more money to go to this effort. We need every cent. We have to show to the world - and to the appeasers at home - the extent of the threat that this monstrous regime potentially represented.

FOR THE FUTURE: But Kay makes a more important point at the end. He notes that our ability to examine this entire edifice in a liberated Iraq, to see where our intelligence failed and where it succeeded, is a hugely helpful task in the broader war on terror. Over to Kay:

[W]hatever we find will probably differ from pre-war intelligence. Empirical reality on the ground is, and has always been, different from intelligence judgments that must be made under serious constraints of time, distance and information. It is, however, only by understanding precisely what those differences are that the quality of future intelligence and investment decisions concerning future intelligence systems can be improved. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is such a continuing threat to global society that learning those lessons has a high imperative.
Of course it has. I've waited a long time for this report, and kept my peace until it came out and we had some empirical data to measure. What we now see may not impress those who are looking for any way to discredit this administration and this war. But it shows to my mind the real danger that Saddam posed - and would still pose today, if one president and one prime minister hadn't had the fortitude to face him down. We live in a dangerous but still safer world because of it. Now is the time for the administration to stop the internal quibbling, the silence and passivity, and go back on the offensive. Show the dangers that the opposition was happy for us to tolerate; show the threat - real and potential - that this war averted; defend the record with pride and vigor; and fund the reconstruction in ways that will make it work now not just for our sake but for the sake of those once killed in large numbers by the weapons some are so eager not to find.


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1 posted on 10/02/2003 9:33:18 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; mombonn; DallasMike; austinTparty; MHGinTN; RottiBiz; WaterDragon; DB; ...
Sullivan ping!
2 posted on 10/02/2003 9:34:32 PM PDT by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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3 posted on 10/02/2003 9:36:23 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Pokey78
Another useful bit of journalism by Mr. Sullivan.
4 posted on 10/02/2003 9:36:31 PM PDT by maro
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To: Pokey78
Bump
5 posted on 10/02/2003 9:36:40 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Pokey78
But, the Press said there were no weapons. They wouldn't lie would they?
6 posted on 10/02/2003 9:37:24 PM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: Pokey78
Fantastic commentary by Andrew Sullivan...

It's time to counterattack the Democrats' demagoguery.
7 posted on 10/02/2003 9:37:53 PM PDT by WOSG (DONT PUT CALI ON CRUZ CONTROL & VOTE YES ON 54!)
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To: All
Sorry, left off the last part:

FRACTION SO FAR: As for actual munitions, absorb this fact:

There are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.
Here are Kay's conclusions:
1. Saddam, at least as judged by those scientists and other insiders who worked in his military-industrial programs, had not given up his aspirations and intentions to continue to acquire weapons of mass destruction. Even those senior officials we have interviewed who claim no direct knowledge of any on-going prohibited activities readily acknowledge that Saddam intended to resume these programs whenever the external restrictions were removed. Several of these officials acknowledge receiving inquiries since 2000 from Saddam or his sons about how long it would take to either restart CW production or make available chemical weapons.
2. In the delivery systems area there were already well advanced, but undeclared, on-going activities that, if OIF had not intervened, would have resulted in the production of missiles with ranges at least up to 1000 km, well in excess of the UN permitted range of 150 km. These missile activities were supported by a serious clandestine procurement program about which we have much still to learn.
3. In the chemical and biological weapons area we have confidence that there were at a minimum clandestine on-going research and development activities that were embedded in the Iraqi Intelligence Service. While we have much yet to learn about the exact work programs and capabilities of these activities, it is already apparent that these undeclared activities would have at a minimum facilitated chemical and biological weapons activities and provided a technically trained cadre.
Could we have contained this indefinitely? If we'd wanted to continue to starve an entire country, make a mockery of U.N. resolutions, give new life to one of the most vicious dictatorships on the planet, and leave open the risk of this shadow but viable WMD program coming into the hands of any terrorist faction Saddam wanted to entertain. Were there risks of action? You bet. But most of the enormous risks did not come about: no use of such weapons, no massive destruction of oil wells, no fracturing of the country, no terrorist revenge or resurgence.
8 posted on 10/02/2003 9:37:56 PM PDT by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the ping.
9 posted on 10/02/2003 9:38:02 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Pokey78
I saw Kay today when he said that we'll be finding things underground in Irqa in 25 - 30 years. That the whold country has been dug up and things buried. That's scarey thought!
10 posted on 10/02/2003 9:43:59 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: GOPJ

WMD: Blair was right!

The Sun (UK) actually read the report!
11 posted on 10/02/2003 9:48:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The War is not the Presidents hobby!)
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To: Pokey78
SPOTREP - WMD
12 posted on 10/02/2003 9:49:49 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Pokey78
Great stuff from Sullivan.
13 posted on 10/02/2003 9:50:27 PM PDT by doug from upland (Why did DemocRATS allow a perjuring rapist to remain in the Oval Office?)
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To: Pokey78
from the state of the union:
The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax -- enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin -- enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hadn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary; he is deceiving. From intelligence sources we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves. Iraqi officials accompany the inspectors in order to intimidate witnesses.

read it and weep...
14 posted on 10/02/2003 9:50:48 PM PDT by bunnypants
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To: Joe_October
But, the Press said there were no weapons. They wouldn't lie would they?

Would not matter. The lefties said before the war that we would find them becuase Bush would plant them. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Of course, if he finds them next year they will say it is an election ploy and he planted them, etc and so on.

15 posted on 10/02/2003 9:54:13 PM PDT by chance33_98 (This tagline made from recycled ideas, no animals were harmed during the typing of it)
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To: Pokey78
The Liberals and the Liberals Press are nothing but bold face Liers!!!
16 posted on 10/02/2003 9:56:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Pokey78
Andrew has done his usual job of making the fuzzy more clear. I'll bet the democrat sleaze machine just hates this guy! But then I remember that the mainstream media will parse the truth to frame the democrat instructed lie and the Kay report will be filed away as proof no WMDs existed and that Saddam had no way to deliver them even if he were allowed to reamin in power and do his research best. [Lest we forget, one man, an agent for terrorism (like the ones Saddam trained for different organizations visiting Salman Pak) can trasport enough bioweapon in his airliner luggage to wipe out New York or Lost Angesleaze. That is precisely why our president has decalred the axis of evil and expressed our determination to stomp any nation that aids and abets (and harbors and trains) terrorists. I'm not about to trust the Deans, Gephardts, Kerrys, Daschles, Leahys, Schumers, and proven feckless clintons with the war against terrorists at this juncture. Losing Bin Laden proves how close degenerate clinton came to abetting our final demise. Scary reading, that!]
17 posted on 10/02/2003 9:56:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Pokey78
One can only conclude that the New York Times and al-Qaeda are........allies.
18 posted on 10/02/2003 9:59:01 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Pokey78
I love this man, and this is why.
19 posted on 10/02/2003 10:01:46 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Temple Owl
we won't find this in the Phila. Inquirer.
20 posted on 10/02/2003 10:05:28 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Pokey78
You know, in my more bitter moments (read: all of the time), I think that most liberals would rather die in a 9/11-scale attack than admit we were right to launch the War on Terror, or admit anything which vindicates Bush in any fashion, on any topic. Ironically, as they lay dying, they will finally have the WMD proof they denied, right in their faces, literally. Is this what they mean when they say 'hoisted by your own petard'?
21 posted on 10/02/2003 10:05:30 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: Pokey78
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22 posted on 10/02/2003 10:10:24 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Pokey78
Awesome post. Thanks.
23 posted on 10/02/2003 10:11:12 PM PDT by AHerald
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To: Pokey78
bump
24 posted on 10/02/2003 10:12:45 PM PDT by clintonh8r (A gentleman should know something about everything and everything about something.)
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To: Howlin; Pokey78
I love this man, and this is why.

Same here, Howlin. So glad he's on our side.

25 posted on 10/02/2003 10:13:28 PM PDT by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: Tribune7
we won't find this in the Phila. Inquirer.

Nor the LA Times-owned Hartford Courant!

26 posted on 10/02/2003 10:14:34 PM PDT by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: MHGinTN
I'm not about to trust the Deans, Gephardts, Kerrys, Daschles, Leahys, Schumers, and proven feckless clintons with the war against terrorists at this juncture. Losing Bin Laden proves how close degenerate clinton came to abetting our final demise. Scary reading, that!]

Me either

27 posted on 10/02/2003 10:14:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Why would that surprise you.

These are the very same people who hoped we'd have huge numbers of body bags coming back from Iraq -- for political reasons.
28 posted on 10/02/2003 10:16:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: nutmeg
Nor the LA Times-owned Hartford Courant!

But thanks to the net people are going to know about it. This will be a bad week for Dems.

29 posted on 10/02/2003 10:17:39 PM PDT by Tribune7
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Media Fraud Alert! (Especially The New York Times, surprise!

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Please feel free to ping me if you come across a thread you would think worthy of this ping list. I can't catch them all!


30 posted on 10/02/2003 10:18:39 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Pokey78
It sure doesn't help when Senator Roberts says he was disappointed by Kay's findings. What was he thinking, what was he listening to? It takes one biological agent, smuggled over a border that we are now demonstrating can't be controlled, handed off to a network of terrorists that remind us regularly that they are there...and you have a disaster. In just these short excerpts, which have been purified for public consumption, who couldn't conclude the reality of this threat?
31 posted on 10/02/2003 10:18:53 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Pokey78
bump
32 posted on 10/02/2003 10:21:34 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

33 posted on 10/02/2003 10:22:20 PM PDT by nutmeg ("The DemocRATic party...has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters..." - Pat Caddell, 11/27/00)
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To: Pokey78
Great Catch. Hopefully some pasting wizard can put a collection of this stuff together.
34 posted on 10/02/2003 10:24:19 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Howlin
These are the very same people who hoped we'd have huge numbers of body bags coming back from Iraq -- for political reasons.

All I have to say is .. I pray that God can forgive me for the feelings I have right now about the Liberals

They make me sick

35 posted on 10/02/2003 10:25:25 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Tribune7
But thanks to the net people are going to know about it. This will be a bad week for Dems.

Isn't it interesting how EVERY SINGLE TIME the Democrats try to lie and screw over conservatives, it blows up in their faces?

1) They claim Saddam was no threat whatsoever and create a false "CIA leak" scandal to attempt to destroy Bush. Within days, a report comes out proving Saddam was a massive threat.

2) They attempt to destroy Rush Limbaugh with a two-pronged attack, one of which was intended to put him in jail, and the only result is going to be that the ESPN show's ratings will collapse and his radio ratings will increase.

3) They specifically time an attack on Arnold Schwarzenegger in an attempt to destroy him. The result? In a few days he will be elected governor of the largest state in America, by a much wider margin than anyone was expecting.

They ALWAYS lose! BWA-HA-HAAA!

36 posted on 10/02/2003 10:27:58 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Pokey78
One of the few articles to which my response is simply, "yes".
37 posted on 10/02/2003 10:29:12 PM PDT by Timm
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To: Howlin; MHGinTN; nutmeg; Pokey78; Tribune7; Temple Owl; Mo1
I love this man, and this is why.-Howlin

To the extent peace-loving people are going to succeed in preventing 9/11s, we are going to have to improve the intelligence gathering. Iraq presents a case study complete with before and after pictures.

Whatever we find will probably differ from pre-war intelligence. Empirical reality on the ground is, and has always been, different from intelligence judgments that must be made under serious constraints of time, distance and information. It is, however, only by understanding precisely what those differences are that the quality of future intelligence and investment decisions concerning future intelligence systems can be improved. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is such a continuing threat to global society that learning those lessons has a high imperative.-David Kay

Now is the time for the administration to stop the internal quibbling, the silence and passivity, and go back on the offensive. Show the dangers that the opposition was happy for us to tolerate ... -Andrew Sullivan

Talking point: Read The Report. Do not accept the lie of "Ho hum. No Weapons found."

38 posted on 10/02/2003 10:29:40 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Dolphy
It sure doesn't help when Senator Roberts says he was disappointed by Kay's findings.

Hardly anyone outside of Kansas even knows Roberts exists. Don't worry about him.

39 posted on 10/02/2003 10:30:29 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Pokey78
I want to gloat, but I just have a sense of relief.
40 posted on 10/02/2003 10:35:43 PM PDT by jmcclain19
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To: Mo1
Just when we thought we couldn't hate them anymore...
41 posted on 10/02/2003 10:36:02 PM PDT by Howlin
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Everybody needs to read and bookmark this!
42 posted on 10/02/2003 10:45:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the thread! BTW, I just came back from another conservative site.And one of the posters was saying that according to the son of G Gordon Liddy-Tom - the story about the Kuwaiti's stopping a chem/bio weapons shipment is TRUE and that the FBI and the CIA have the items in custody.I also saw a post which said that Brit Hume made pretty much the same statement. I don't know about Hume's because I did not see "Special Report" this evening.Need somebody to confirm.
43 posted on 10/02/2003 10:48:51 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Pokey78
It's all lies. Kay is nothing but a partisan hack for the right wing and Bush to cover up the fact that they are just taking the oil to give to their rich friends at Halliburton.

They are just trying to justify the lies they put in the 2002 State of the Union address (which we all know is chisled in stone) to gut the UN and pay off big money contributers.

How's that? Can I peddle that for a job at CNN?
44 posted on 10/02/2003 10:53:48 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU PUT BACK ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: Jewels1091
China just found buried chemical weapons the Japenese put there during World War I, I think. If not, World War II.

45 posted on 10/02/2003 10:55:01 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU PUT BACK ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: piasa
FYI.
46 posted on 10/02/2003 10:55:23 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Timesink
3) They specifically time an attack on Arnold Schwarzenegger in an attempt to destroy him. The result? In a few days he will be elected governor of the largest state in America, by a much wider margin than anyone was expecting.


Just saw a post on another site from a California poster who called the L.A.Times to cancel his subscription and had to wait 15 minutes.When the clerk finally got on the phone with him,he asked her why he had to wait so long.The answer was that they had received THOUSANDSof cancellations!

47 posted on 10/02/2003 10:55:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: MHGinTN
The left wing hates Sullivan. I hear they are going to out him from the closet! :-)
48 posted on 10/02/2003 10:55:59 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU PUT BACK ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
You know, in my more bitter moments (read: all of the time), I think that most liberals would rather die in a 9/11-scale attack than admit we were right to launch the War on Terror,

Exactly why I consistently suggest they put up or shut up and move to the most vunerable targets of the terrorist in our country like NY, DC, Chicago, LA, Houston, etc. Terrorist aren't going to create much panic trying to blow up Memphis.

49 posted on 10/02/2003 10:58:33 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU PUT BACK ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: Lady In Blue; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...

See post 47! Los Angeles Times loses THOUSANDS of subscribers for its Schwarzenegger smear!


Schadenfreude

This is the New York Times Los Angeles Times Schadenfreude Ping List. Freepmail me to be added or dropped.


50 posted on 10/02/2003 11:27:24 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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