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A word of caution for state’s ‘invaders’ [Nashua (NH) Telegraph Editorial]
Nashua Telegraph ^ | Oct 3, 2003

Posted on 10/03/2003 10:02:24 AM PDT by Living Free in NH

KEY POINTS
BACKGROUND: New Hampshire is the state that libertarians have
adopted for their project to “revolutionize” government.
CONCLUSION: This is an open country and libertarians may move
to the Granite State at will, but they shouldn’t be surprised if their
far-out ideas don’t go over with the rest of the population.

The libertarians are coming – invited or not. New Hampshire by a vote of libertarians nationwide is their first choice for their “Free State Project.”

They aim to attract up to 20,000 of like-minded individuals to move to New Hampshire over the next three years to eventually “revolutionize” its government. By that, they mean to shrink government by privatizing many of its services and by expanding personal liberties. They are also highly tax-averse.

Does anyone remember being asked if we wanted our state government to be taken over in this fashion? Who is asking for this invasion?

How nice of the libertarians to attempt a takeover, even when they cooked up the idea without consultation with the non-libertarian inhabitants.

Many of us think our state government is already lean and we differ with the libertarians on what an essential service is.

Take schools. Some libertarians believe parents should pay tuition for their children’s schooling or home school them. They propose raising scholarships for those who can’t afford to pay tuitions by collecting private donations.

Most New Hampshire residents, we believe, think that a public school education open to all up through grade 12 is one of the mainstays of a democracy. Nobody has to go without or beg for financial support because the schooling is paid through tax dollars.

Some libertarians also advocate decriminalizing marijuana use, prostitution and other “victimless” crimes. And they’re big on gun rights.

The Libertarians, many of whom can afford to be self-sufficient because of their upscale incomes, are part of a fringe political group.

The few libertarians who have run for high public office in New Hampshire in recent years have reaped slim support. So plumping up their numbers should, in theory, give them greater leverage at the ballot box.

America is an open country and the libertarians have a right to move to New Hampshire as well as any other group. Yet New Hampshire residents aren’t required to welcome them with open arms or to embrace their ideological form of escapism.

Whether 20,000 of them will actually pull up stakes and move to New Hampshire remains to be seen. The state’s motto, “Live Free or Die,” is a stirring one, but most of us who endure the daily grind to make do know it shouldn’t be taken literally.

So while Gov. Craig Benson, who is working hard to pile up conservative credentials, may encourage the libertarians to relocate to New Hampshire, these newcomers should be aware that other residents of the state will view their many proposed changes with a broad streak of old-fashioned Yankee skepticism.

It’s nothing personal – just a difference of opinion over the role of government and individuals in an increasingly complex society.

To respond to this editorial e-mail the following: letters@telegraph-nh.com or solomond@telegraph-nh.com Be sure to include contact information if you would like your letter to appear as a letter to the editor.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: freestateproject; fsp; libertarian; newhampshire; porcupines
Personally, I'm looking forward to it. This state is getting a little too liberal for the exile from Mass.
1 posted on 10/03/2003 10:02:25 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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2 posted on 10/03/2003 10:04:00 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Living Free in NH
Hey, it could be illegal aliens from Mexico, or worse, Canada!
3 posted on 10/03/2003 10:05:35 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Living Free in NH
The state’s motto, “Live Free or Die,” is a stirring one, but most of us who endure the daily grind to make do know it shouldn’t be taken literally.

It's a pity the Founding Fathers didn't realize this wasn't to be taken literally.

SD

4 posted on 10/03/2003 10:05:59 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Living Free in NH
Drugs, guns, and wild sex parties - what's not to like?
5 posted on 10/03/2003 10:06:17 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Living Free in NH
Nobody has to go without or beg for financial support because the schooling is paid through tax dollars.

Why go begging when you can get the state to put a gun to the head of your neighbors and force them to pay?

6 posted on 10/03/2003 10:08:17 AM PDT by TheDon (Tick, tock, tick, tock....the sound of the clock ticking off the time until Tom drops out.)
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To: Living Free in NH
The state’s motto, “Live Free or Die,” is a stirring one, but most of us who endure the daily grind to make do know it shouldn’t be taken literally.

Thus the editors are revealed to be afraid of freedom. To paraphrase from a pop song of a few years ago, you have the right to XXX (fill in the blank - speak freely, exercise your religion, own private property, etc.) as long as you're not stupid enough to actually try it.

7 posted on 10/03/2003 10:14:09 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: Living Free in NH
I'm taking a wild guess that this editorial was written by a woman who recently moved to New Hampshire from Massachusetts.

Massholes are continually moving north to escape the hellhole they've created, and that's the main reason I think NH was the wrong state to pick.

8 posted on 10/03/2003 10:19:22 AM PDT by freeeee (Control freaks unite and pass more laws so we can all be free!!!)
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To: Living Free in NH
Hey gang,
You must understand that the Telegraph is an organ of the democrat party. Its completely unsurprising they took the stance they did. Its dawning on them that they may become the 3rd party in the state. LOL!
9 posted on 10/03/2003 10:19:23 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45
You must understand that the Telegraph is an organ of the democrat party.

I know exactly what organ.

10 posted on 10/03/2003 10:24:00 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: Living Free in NH
How nice of the libertarians to attempt a takeover, even when they cooked up the idea without consultation with the non-libertarian inhabitants.

Xs attempting a takeover without consulting the non-Xs is happening pretty much everywhere humans exist.

11 posted on 10/03/2003 10:24:14 AM PDT by snarkpup
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To: Living Free in NH
Where is the Telegraph when it comes to the hordes of Massholes who, after ruining their state, come north for a "better way of life" but then proceed to insist that the locals change the way things are? I don't recall the Telegraph wondering why "we" weren't asked if "we" wanted all those Massholes moving in....
12 posted on 10/03/2003 10:27:07 AM PDT by whd23
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To: archy
ping
13 posted on 10/03/2003 10:34:03 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: freeeee
Massholes are continually moving north to escape the hellhole they've created, and that's the main reason I think NH was the wrong state to pick.

The first locusts to arrive reap the greatest benefits.

14 posted on 10/03/2003 10:41:29 AM PDT by Eala (If used-car salesmen misrepresented cars the way the press does truth, they'd be jailed.)
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To: Living Free in NH
Having grown up in NH, I still think of NH as the most pleasant geography there is. I might even move back when I retire, just to be near my pre-Revolutionary ancestral home. Any idea where the gang of 20,000 will settle? Conway?
15 posted on 10/03/2003 10:42:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: TheDon
In my little piece of NH there is a school bus fee and a fee to partisipate in extra cirricular activities. Government school taxes constitute 60% of my property tax bill, but I will say that the schools are better than Mass.
16 posted on 10/03/2003 11:02:15 AM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: Living Free in NH
Does anyone remember being asked if we wanted our colonial government to be taken over in this fashion? Who is asking for this invasion?

How nice of George Washington and his bunch to attempt a takeover, even when they cooked up the idea without consultation with the pro-Crown inhabitants.

Many of us think our Colonial government is already lean and we differ with the George Washington on what an essential service is.
17 posted on 10/03/2003 11:06:13 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: freeeee
Massholes

I love it!

18 posted on 10/03/2003 11:12:38 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Living Free in NH
"Whether 20,000 of them will actually pull up stakes and move to New Hampshire remains to be seen. The state’s motto, “Live Free or Die,” is a stirring one, but most of us who endure the daily grind to make do know it shouldn’t be taken literally."



Tell that to the Founding Fathers (in particular, Patrick Henry---"give me liberty or give me death") and every soldier that has died fighting under the American flag, jackhole.
19 posted on 10/03/2003 11:15:16 AM PDT by Abe Froman
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To: Blue Screen of Death
I know exactly what organ.

Does a sphincter muscle count as being an organ? :-) (Or were you thinking of something else?)

20 posted on 10/03/2003 11:16:32 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Living Free in NH
"It’s nothing personal – just a difference of opinion over the role of government and individuals in an increasingly complex society."


Again, the left attempts to minimize the principled stance of the conservative by asserting that the situation is too complicated to rely on principles. What a joke.
21 posted on 10/03/2003 11:17:48 AM PDT by Abe Froman
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To: Living Free in NH
Nashua Telegraph: "a fringe political group."

It is a telling sign of the times when Americans who believe in a limited government living within the bounds of the constitution are consider a fringe group.

22 posted on 10/03/2003 11:26:57 AM PDT by u-89
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To: AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; Beck_isright; ...
ping

PorcuPing!

Contrast the Democrats' version with that of the Portsmouth Herald

-archy-/-

23 posted on 10/03/2003 12:44:06 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Abe Froman
"Whether 20,000 of them will actually pull up stakes and move to New Hampshire remains to be seen. The state’s motto, “Live Free or Die,” is a stirring one, but most of us who endure the daily grind to make do know it shouldn’t be taken literally."

The Democrats have complained about that traditional Granite State aphorism, and are trying their best to replace it with the more modern and all-encompassing Arbeit Macht Frei.


24 posted on 10/03/2003 12:47:14 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Living Free in NH
the role of government and individuals in an increasingly complex society

A verse from the Hillary songbook. You'll hear some "conservative" FReepers singing the same tune when confronted by a consistent supporter of individual liberty.

25 posted on 10/03/2003 12:50:47 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Living Free in NH
"The Libertarians, many of whom can afford to be self-sufficient because of their upscale incomes.."

"Politics of Envy" alert

26 posted on 10/03/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe ("Allow myself to introduce...myself.")
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To: RightWhale
Any idea where the gang of 20,000 will settle? Conway?

All over. There are about 150 Porcupines already resident there, and they're advising and assisting the first batch of *pioneer porkypines* not waiting for the rest of the crew to jump on board. Some are going to try to make it before this year's early snowfalls [better hurry!] some are going to wait until early next spring, and a few others have set this coming News Year's as their deadline, weather not withstanding.

But you'll find such things as discussion and advice regarding hospitable NH locales, generally thought to be more in the northern portion of the state, at the New Hampshire FSP *NH Live Free or Die* discussion group webboard *here*.

-archy-/-

27 posted on 10/03/2003 12:56:22 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Living Free in NH
This editorialists only wants leftwing Masshole to move to the state, it appears.


My Uncle was a small-government Democrat in NH during his life; he could not stand the influx of urban socialists to the party.
28 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:09 PM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: Living Free in NH
It’s nothing personal – just a difference of opinion over the role of government and individuals in an increasingly complex society.

Those racists!

-archy-/-

29 posted on 10/03/2003 12:58:22 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: 556x45
Hey gang, You must understand that the Telegraph is an organ of the democrat party. Its completely unsurprising they took the stance they did. Its dawning on them that they may become the 3rd party in the state. LOL!

Not so. They're already in third place in numbers, if you count the very numerous NH category of *Undeclared* as a *party*.

The emerging political arm of the FSP Porcupines may drive the Democrats' numbers even more clearly to the bottom of the deck and kick the Republicans into second place behind the *Undeclared*, or the newcomers may prefer to build their own political party [whatever it's called, look for the porcupine to be its symbol/mascot, just as the elephant and burro are for the Republicans and Dems. But it's a good bet that some new NH FSPers will register as Republicans, as well.] and knock the Democrats even further down into a fourth position last place. That should offer some interesting commentary during the 2008 NH primary....

But for a start, let's just see what can be done with just 20,000 Porcupines. And, of course, a quarter-million NH *Undeclared*:

NH State voter registration, September ’02 2001
[after list purge]

REPUBLICANS 245,791/ 37.3%
UNDECLARED 242,028/ 36.8%
DEMOCRATS 170,405/ 25.9%

-archy-/-

30 posted on 10/03/2003 1:09:42 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Thanks. Registered for the discussion group.
31 posted on 10/03/2003 1:19:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Living Free in NH
Ahhh! Thus spake the Nashua Pravda!
32 posted on 10/03/2003 1:24:34 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: archy
I don't understand German......what does that phrase mean?
33 posted on 10/03/2003 2:31:40 PM PDT by Abe Froman
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To: Abe Froman
I don't understand German......what does that phrase mean?

Arbeit macht Frei translates to *Work makes freedom,* in English, the meaning of which approximately refers to *earn your freedom here in this labour camp*.

It was the slogan found above the gates and arches of several fairly notorious German prison and penal facilities, including most notably the one at Dachau, done in very ornamental wrought-iron lettering.

Following WWII, portions of that former Munich suburban facility were used by the US Army as the US Army/Europe criminal confinement facility.


34 posted on 10/03/2003 3:14:30 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: RightWhale
Thanks. Registered for the discussion group.

Glad to assist. Also let me know if you'd care to be added to the FRee Republic FSP *PorcuPing* list for notification of FSP-related news stories or discussions.

If so, just post to that effect in response to this message, or feel free to send me a FReepmail.

Likewise, if you're interested in the continuing activities of the Western branch of the FSP, just let me know, and you can be similarly added to the Wyoming and/or Montana group lists, or to one of the fairly new FSPWEST groups, still in the sorting-out phase.

-archy-/-

35 posted on 10/03/2003 3:33:43 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Living Free in NH
George: "You hear a lot of talk around here about freedom. But you show them a free individual, it makes them scared."

Billy: "Yeah, but it don't make them runnin' scared man."

George: "No. It makes them dangerous."
36 posted on 10/03/2003 4:24:06 PM PDT by Chuckster ("If honor were profitable, everybody would be honorable." Sir Thomas More)
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To: Wordsmith
Freestaters coming to NH!
37 posted on 10/05/2003 9:06:37 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: Living Free in NH
"The Libertarians, many of whom can afford to be self-sufficient because of their upscale incomes, are part of a fringe political group."

damn, I'm 23 and I sure as hell wouldn't call my income "upscale". Hmm, thinking about it, "downtrodden" might be a better adjective.

But, if by that they mean we are the character of people who have a drive to be self sufficient and prosperous, then yeah. Hey, I'm trying to start my own computer repair and internet consulting company.

I can't wait to check out your fine State and get a feel for where it looks good to settle in :)

38 posted on 10/05/2003 10:47:43 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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