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Some see actor as star for GOP if elected governor - But they worry how successful he'll be in post
SFGate.com ^ | 10/3/03 | Carolyn Lochhead - SF Chronicle

Posted on 10/03/2003 12:01:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Washington -- A growing giddiness is enveloping Washington Republicans about the prospect that the mother lode of national politics may lie within their grasp, just in time for the 2004 presidential election.

But this joy is tempered by considerable doubt about just what they might be getting in Arnold Schwarzenegger, who remains an unknown commodity -- and whose admission Thursday that he "behaved badly" toward women in the past strikes the wrong note for a party that trumpets family values and historically has not done well with female voters.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: actor; arnold; calgov2002; elected; governor; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger; star
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1 posted on 10/03/2003 12:01:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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4 posted on 10/03/2003 12:07:38 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: NormsRevenge
the Times contends they did not come from any political camp.

Yeah, sure. See my tagline.

5 posted on 10/03/2003 12:19:36 PM PDT by Eala (If used-car salesmen misrepresented cars the way the press does truth, they'd be jailed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
There shouldn't be very high expectations for Arnold as Gubernator. No governor can fix California's budget problems in the near future. Davis has wrecked them for the forseeable future.
6 posted on 10/03/2003 12:23:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NormsRevenge
The same thing was said of Ronald Reagan when he ran for governor. He did a pretty good job. I remember saying when he ran for president that he may get the nomination, but he could not win a general election. Boy, am I glad I was wrong, and to have lived in the Nation's Capitol metro area for those eight glorious years.
7 posted on 10/03/2003 12:39:02 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Here we go. I see the theme for the next 3 years get its first voicing right here: "Yeah, he won, but he's a lousy governor." The Chronically Wrongical has its lips surgically grafted to the posterior of the Left Wing Crazies®.
8 posted on 10/03/2003 12:46:34 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
"The Chronically Wrongical has its lips surgically grafted to the posterior of the Left Wing Crazies®."

Let's concede that 90 percent of the media support democrats and crazy left wing thinking and "lifestyles." Who is the majority party, and why?
9 posted on 10/03/2003 12:53:27 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: NormsRevenge; onyx; Tamsey; DoughtyOne; strela; PhiKapMom; nopardons; doodlelady; ...
"If Republicans fail to defeat Gov. Gray Davis, "They will be done in California for a decade," said former GOP national pollster Frank Luntz, cementing for Democrats the nation's biggest cache of electoral college votes for future presidential elections. "You would not just lose activists, you would lose donors, you would lose any interest in politics, if the recall fails," Luntz said.

But if Schwarzenegger wins, he said, "California is back in play for 2004."

Schwarzenegger's star power would be a huge asset for the GOP, party activists say, pointing to Rep. Sonny Bono, who when he was alive, proved one of the GOP's biggest fund-raisers, because people loved seeing a celebrity.

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There is a great deal at stake. That is why the Dems are fighting tooth and nails and the Republicans need to decide whether they want a Republican or Democrat to win, with all the implications. (Hint for the McClintock Republicans)

10 posted on 10/03/2003 1:35:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
The McClintock party is "hint" deaf. As I understand it they may not be "crowbar" deaf yet. ;-)
11 posted on 10/03/2003 1:41:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: FairOpinion
Oh, but didn't you hear? Arnold isn't a Republican. Sandra Duffy told me.
12 posted on 10/03/2003 1:49:10 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: FairOpinion
Big PING! This quote is right on! These McClintock voters need to look beyond their own noses at the bigger picture (and no, that was not a crack about McClintock's eyes).
13 posted on 10/03/2003 1:55:25 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: FairOpinion
There is a great deal at stake

I hope every Republican voting on Tuesday realizes this, and how debilitating a landslide victory would be to the Dems, not to mention how it would avert claims of voter fraud.

To a tune from the immortal Joni Mitchell:

And the smearings, they go round and round,
and the tainted pollings go up and down...
we're captives in the lurid recall slime...

We have a chance to put Davis back
behind from where he came
and to lose this final round
in the Recall game.

14 posted on 10/03/2003 2:08:34 PM PDT by b9
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To: NormsRevenge
Arnold can't really fail. How can I say that? Success and failure will be subtle enough to be in the eyes of the beholders. The people will have elected Arnold. ANYTHING AT ALL THAT HE DOES WELL will be greatly cheered because people will be cheering themselves for electing him.
Any failures will be forgiven for longer than the rat media will like.
15 posted on 10/03/2003 3:06:38 PM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: John Jorsett
"Here we go. I see the theme for the next 3 years get its first voicing right here: "Yeah, he won, but he's a lousy governor."

I agree. What I get a kick out of it that they are already conceding defeat and retreating to their next line of defense.

16 posted on 10/03/2003 3:09:38 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: My2Cents; Saundra Duffy
Oh, but didn't you hear? Arnold isn't a Republican. Sandra Duffy told me.

Saundra "claimed" she supported Simon is his run against Davis --- Simon had endorsed Arnold --- methinks Saundra is not a Republican.

17 posted on 10/03/2003 3:27:51 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)
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To: FairOpinion
Do you really believe that the Republican party is in that much trouble if they don't win this recall? This recall wasn't even supposed to be happen No matter what happens, Davis is extremely unpopular, Bustamente is unpopular, and the majority of Californians are voting for nonDemocrats. Even if the recall failed, or Bustamente wins, it's hardly an endorsment of Democrats.
18 posted on 10/03/2003 3:28:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion
And don't forget, the recall never would have happened if it wasn't for the people being bashed here!
19 posted on 10/03/2003 3:29:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: FairOpinion


(Hint for the McClintock Republicans)

Hint for you:

"What?"


20 posted on 10/03/2003 3:31:46 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: FairOpinion
A caller to Michael Medved's radio show made a good point today:

Democrats (gray & cruz & company) are scared to death about what-all GOVERNOR ARNOLD'S "independent audit" will reveal.

21 posted on 10/03/2003 3:34:03 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)
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To: onyx
Re#21 Yep. It's going to be a shocker...
22 posted on 10/03/2003 3:35:56 PM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: DoughtyOne
Political parties exist not to win willy-nilly but to win on their principles. Victory is not the end, but the means to the end, which is the enactment of the party's platform. If substanceless winning were the purpose of political parties, platform documents would be blank.
California Republican leaders have turned the means into the end, and thereby turned the party over to liberals. Their talk of a Republican rebirth is laughable -- unless they mean that the party is being reborn as a sister party to the Democratic one.

(George Neumayr)
23 posted on 10/03/2003 3:36:17 PM PDT by Afronaut (Zombie voters For Liberals)
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To: NormsRevenge



A growing giddiness is enveloping Washington Republicans about the prospect that the mother lode of national politics may lie within their grasp, just in time for the 2004 presidential election.

Watch your back, they're about to bend us over.


24 posted on 10/03/2003 3:37:02 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Afronaut
Wecome to the McClintock party. If you don't like the RP, don't let the door hit you on the way out bud. At least I had enough back-bone to leave the party when I didn't like what was going on.
25 posted on 10/03/2003 3:45:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: nickcarraway
If we never had the recall, it wouldn't have been particularly damaging to the Republican Party.

But to have the recall and then have the Dems triumph by either Davis retaining the governorship, or Bustamante getting in, would make the GOP the laughing stock of the country for the next 10 years and would give a much needed shot in the arm to the Democrats.

That is why it's imperative that Davis get recalled and Arnold win by a landslide.
26 posted on 10/03/2003 5:25:32 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Tuesday is PAYBACK DAY for the slime and treachery.

VOTE YES ON RECALL --- VOTE FOR ARNOLD

27 posted on 10/03/2003 5:29:30 PM PDT by onyx (Ask the Indian$)
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To: FairOpinion
Couldn't a "landslide" by Arnold be promoted in the future as a mandate that Arnold is exactly the kind of candidate the Republican voters in California want, while pointing the finger at McClintock and saying, once again, conservatives are losers in California, even though people voting for Arnold really want Tom?

Hb

28 posted on 10/03/2003 6:32:53 PM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: Sabertooth
Personally, I'm more concerned about investments and pocketbook accounts than my back. ;-)

Will arnold and the "republicans" lead a charge to stop payments for illegals to receive free healthcare and educations at the expense of businesses and taxpayers?

Don't hold your breath. All the myopic arnold and CA GOP country club elitists and their supporters wouldn't know their own house is on fire if they were standing in the middle of it. I see nothing but a lot of hot air from the entire crowd of late.

Too bad President Bush and his cohorts are willing to be used and abused in the name of "broadening" the party but do little to protect or fight for conservatism as a whole.

What the hell about the country as a whole, and all of its legal citizens? What about our rights?

Chattel R US would appear to be a more appropriate motto for today's political republican groupies and pretenders to the GOP moniker.

29 posted on 10/03/2003 7:23:14 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Yeah, So I'm a cynic. What of it? If my posts don't provoke thought or debate, then why be here?)
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To: Hoverbug
The only real losers will be the children and the elderly whose fate will be set in stone; a fate that will mean living like european weinies and sucking from the public teat like a bunch of little mind-numbed bots.

The intent of socialism is to enslave, not free the masses. The intent of conservatives is to get govt out of the way, not to take over total control of everyone's lives.

I don't see that happening as things are playing out per the script that is unfolding before our very eyes.

30 posted on 10/03/2003 7:28:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Yeah, So I'm a cynic. What of it? If my posts don't provoke thought or debate, then why be here?)
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To: DoughtyOne
Better to be deaf , than blind... but never a mute as so many have become as they prepare the way for the elitist to rule.
31 posted on 10/03/2003 7:30:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Yeah, So I'm a cynic. What of it? If my posts don't provoke thought or debate, then why be here?)
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To: FairOpinion
There is a great deal at stake. That is why the Dems are fighting tooth and nails and the Republicans need to decide whether they want a Republican or Democrat to win, with all the implications. (Hint for the McClintock Republicans)

They are probably enjoying this moment, hoping their man stops Arnold from getting the majority.

32 posted on 10/03/2003 8:10:48 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Arnold has the conviction and the fighting spirit to lead California into a new age of recovery)
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To: NormsRevenge
To: DoughtyOne

Better to be deaf , than blind... but never a mute as so many have become as they prepare the way for the elitist to rule.

31 posted on 10/03/2003 7:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Yeah, So I'm a cynic. What of it? If my posts don't provoke thought or debate, then why be here?)
 

Am I the one that is blinded to the fact that 85% of the voting public doesn't buy into McClintock's shtick?
Am I the one who constantly fixates on the moderate Republican, but is blinded to the socialist brown separatist that stands to gain if he is taken down.
Am I the one who trolls around on the forum blinded to the fact that taking down our leading candidate will usher in the the brown hooded one?
Am I the one who is blinded to the reality that those who support Schwarzenegger here, can't help it if the public won't sustain McClintock?

Mute? Elitist?  What a hoot!  I know some deaf and blind elitists that that have been absolutely mute when it comes to Davis and Bustamante.  They've been too bush googling for 25-30 year old dirt on Schwarzenegger.

33 posted on 10/03/2003 9:21:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: FairOpinion
There is a great deal at stake. That is why the Dems are fighting tooth and nails and the Republicans need to decide whether they want a Republican or Democrat to win, with all the implications. (Hint for the McClintock Republicans)

Why is it I feel that falls on deaf ears with the McClintock crowd ?? :O(



"Hasta La Vista, Baby !!"
(Click here or on the pics !)


34 posted on 10/04/2003 3:30:41 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: NormsRevenge
They say Arnie admires Hitler. Isn`t that better than thinking your Hitler like psycho Hitlery? And all these womens groups protesting him about women; wouldn`t holding up signs that say, "I am the definition of a hypocrite; I am Protesting Arnold even though I was completely silent about Bubba" be more honest? You know, honesty. Like Arnold admitting so far everything they are throwing against him instead of being the "Lying king" like the Arkansas rapist? On the other hand Bubba did say "I did not have sex with that woman." Maybe he was refferring to Juanita Brodderick. Rape isn`t called sex.
35 posted on 10/04/2003 3:47:47 AM PDT by metalboy (Hitlery is Hitler.)
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To: MeeknMing
"Hasta La vista Gray D."
36 posted on 10/04/2003 3:49:49 AM PDT by metalboy (Hitlery is Hitler.)
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To: billhilly
The same thing was said of Ronald Reagan when he ran for governor. He did a pretty good job. I remember saying when he ran for president that he may get the nomination, but he could not win a general election. Boy, am I glad I was wrong, and to have lived in the Nation's Capitol metro area for those eight glorious years.

I'll tell you what the GOP is worried about, and it is the same thing they worried about with Reagan. They fear that Schwarzenegger will be too successful and that he won't go along with the GOP big government corruption and graft scheme that is now piling up $500 billion in federal debt each year.

37 posted on 10/04/2003 4:02:53 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: DoughtyOne
D1 .. you sure try and talk a good line and refute my statements but unfortunately, I see you as just another fence straddler and opportunist on this forum, and your comments are tiresome, to say the least.

Fixation? Who is fixated and set on accomplishing what?

Just winning for the sake of winning on a bunch of hollow soundbites from a candidate who can't debate but sure knows how to primp and pose for the media and the sheople is no great victory for anyone.

You, as many, are so willing to let half a loaf be good enough. That bread is too damn bitter in my judgment, but who am I ? Now Im a troll, huh?. Thanks a lot. You really know how to hurt a guy... NOT. Enjoy your tax hikes and scandals that will be coming soon. Keep telling yourself.. WE Just need to Win, no matter what the cost , long-term.

Shame on you and all who support an empty suit on an elitist agenda journey.

Maybe you should change your name to DOLTYone instead. It would be more in line with your reasoning and hellbent streak on selling out like so manyn others here of late.



38 posted on 10/04/2003 9:46:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: billhilly
Good post! I was one disagreeing with you back then. I knew he'd be great, just as I know Arnie will be great. This is the beginning of our rennaisance. Arnie will go to Sacramento and demand! He will have a more unified middleground righteously supporting him, disgusted with demoncrap crap. This is very possibly the catalyst needed to meltdown the demoncrap machine. The demoncraps know this and are afraid! Not just in California, across the nation, California always starts the trend. Recapture the middleground, with dignity and honor!
39 posted on 10/04/2003 9:58:17 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: NormsRevenge
Thanks for the comments Norm. I'll leave it at that. Take care.
40 posted on 10/04/2003 9:59:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: FairOpinion
I ain't worried, he's gonna win without the help of the x-tremes, but golly, a mandate would be really nice! Put more fear into the demoncraps!
41 posted on 10/04/2003 10:03:26 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Sabertooth
Watch your back, they're about to bend us over.

There is a brutish diddle regarding inevitability, but rather, if this is inevitable shouldn't we make the most of it? Join me in the joy of faith. I firmly believe that we will not be let down. It is a time of rebirth and evolution, evolution so rapid it broaches revolution. Now is not the time for fear, now is the time for strength.

42 posted on 10/04/2003 10:11:29 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: Hoverbug
Rather than speculate that 'all conservatives are losers', I see more that the x-tremists will be isolating themselves, marginalizing and losing even more of their voice.
43 posted on 10/04/2003 10:15:55 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: NormsRevenge
Norm, on Fox, right now, Arnie, the people love him, he inspires them. You should not be so cynical. Get aboard! It feels great.
44 posted on 10/04/2003 10:18:44 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt



I appreciate the sentiment, but like McClintock, while I find Arnold likable, I'm skeptical of his team.

He'll get the same honeymoon any other politician gets, but I'll be carrying petitions to overturn SB60, and ready to oppose him when he attempts to carry out his stated intentions on Illegals.


45 posted on 10/04/2003 10:19:50 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: NormsRevenge
The "unintended" strategy might just work:

By staying in the race, McClintock balanced the opposition; two Republicans against two Democrats. In the battle between Liberals and Conservatives, Tom is the Conservative and Davis/Bustamente are the Liberals. This allowed Arnold to claim the vast middle ground where most of the votes are, IMO, and may have allowed a GOP win next Tuesday.

46 posted on 10/04/2003 10:20:36 AM PDT by Consort
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To: 68 grunt
So McClintock is an extremist in your eyes?

Hb
47 posted on 10/04/2003 10:28:19 AM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
Not at all. The x-tremes are the intolerant ones who seem so hatefilled. McX was my kinda guy, before I saw the light, but now, gheese, I'm questioning his mental condition.
48 posted on 10/04/2003 10:34:21 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt
Oh.

But answer the original question. Couldn't a landslide be promoted as proof that Arnold is exactly the kind of candidate conservatives want, and anyone more conservative than Arnold "just can't win" in California.

The question is if it could be promoted that way, not how you think it will be promoted.

Hb
49 posted on 10/04/2003 11:01:16 AM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: Sabertooth; All
I appreciate the sentiment, but like McClintock, while I find Arnold likable, I'm skeptical of his team.

He'll get the same honeymoon any other politician gets, but I'll be carrying petitions to overturn SB60, and ready to oppose him when he attempts to carry out his stated intentions on Illegals.

At this point I don't even find him likeable. I do like his eternal optimism, but his despicable personal traits are something I cannot support in any way shape or form.

When the time comes to oppose some of his policies, you'll have more company than you think. I'm not following him blindly. I don't think many are.

We have what I think are some of the worst choices between leading candidates that we've ever had here in California. That is not doubt as a result of the CRP and the RNC. I won't forget it.

I have to vote for the better of the two candidates that I think can win. I cannot morally back either of them, but one is a little better IMO. Holding my nose doesn't begin to explain it, but here I am none the less.

50 posted on 10/04/2003 12:40:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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