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I Need to Purchase 2 Computers for the Children Monday and Need Freeper Imput
10.040.03 | mlmr

Posted on 10/04/2003 2:59:51 PM PDT by mlmr

I am going to purchase two boxes for my children's homeschooling, their curriculum will be almost totally web and cd based with lots video and some interactive work. I have been looking at the E machines at Best buy. I am thinking that 512K and 120MB would do it. I am not sure how fast a processor I need I think the E machines use an Atheron. I am not sure what kind of video card for multimedia cds. It will be going on the network I am installing in my home. Any other tips for buying mid level boxes for short-type people would be appreciaed. I am going to put two of the darlings to bed right now.... I willl be back to check the thread in a lttle bit

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1 posted on 10/04/2003 2:59:51 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
mac and avoid all the virus and MS crap
2 posted on 10/04/2003 3:01:27 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
I can't because of othere issues
3 posted on 10/04/2003 3:02:01 PM PDT by mlmr (The Naked and the Fred)
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To: mlmr
E machines at Best buy

AAAACKKKK !! (Makes sign of cross) NOOO NOOOOO not E-Machines. Find a reputable local dealer who does his own assembly.

4 posted on 10/04/2003 3:03:11 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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5 posted on 10/04/2003 3:03:56 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: mlmr
a PC is only as good as the warranty!!
6 posted on 10/04/2003 3:04:37 PM PDT by wiseone
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To: Leroy S. Mort
What's wrong with emachines? Just curious.
7 posted on 10/04/2003 3:05:01 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri Schiavo. ...Lord, please save Terri Schiavo. ... www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mlmr
Find deals on the Dell outlet page. You will get quality at a fair price. I would not buy the ones you are looking at.
8 posted on 10/04/2003 3:05:20 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: mlmr
I really like the the Dells. Call'em up and they can tell you what you need.
9 posted on 10/04/2003 3:05:32 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: mlmr
How old are your kids?
10 posted on 10/04/2003 3:05:34 PM PDT by general_re (SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Sarcasm Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks To Your Health.)
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To: mlmr
I've gone the E machine route twice with my kids. Don't go there. I just got them some Dells and they are doing well.
11 posted on 10/04/2003 3:07:06 PM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: mlmr
E Machines...bad news. My mother bought one over the summer, and a week later the Hard Drive crapped out. It took over 2 months for the repaired computer to be sent back to her.
12 posted on 10/04/2003 3:07:45 PM PDT by IslandTrash
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To: mlmr
I am thinking that 512K and 120MB would do it.

I have a great little unit, state of the art, with 512K RAM for ya.

Even comes with two 360K floppies!

$600, and it's yours. <|:)~

13 posted on 10/04/2003 3:08:16 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: mlmr
E-machines may not be your best bet. Check your yellow pages for custom computer builders. For less than a store brand you may be able to get more computer. Definitely go with the Athalon --1.8 GHz or better. 512 MB of RAM, but be sure its DDR-RAM. You should also have a separate video card--with at least 16MB of video RAM. On board sound is OK. Be sure your mother board has a LAN connection--for eventual broadband ISP and I would get extra USB connections on the front of the case for connecting digital cameras, PDA's, MP3 players etc.
14 posted on 10/04/2003 3:08:35 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: mlmr
Basically any "one up from the bottom" machine from Dell is good. But you should buy the monitor separately. Go to Best Buy and look at them. Monitors are something that you have to eyeball, because the color and clarity vary even if all the "factors" are identical.

The MAIN thing to be aware of is to load up on memory. Since these are educational machines the CPU speed, hard drive size and speed, and all the ports and everything else are absolutely fine on a "second from the bottom of the line" type machine. Just add additional memory. Memory makes the biggest performance impact on non-gaming machines because the more memory, the less "swapping" the operating system does to and from disk.

The other thing about Dell is they normally have a "deal" every week for free memory upgrades, free or reduced cost printers, or other stuff. The quality inside the box is excellent. They are not the cheapest, but you open the inside of their boxes and compare -- they use metal where others use plastic, their heat sinks are oversized, the wiring is nicely tabbed down, etc.

15 posted on 10/04/2003 3:08:50 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Don't knock a product without substantiation.
16 posted on 10/04/2003 3:09:13 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Lovergirl
Here's a synopsis of e-machines from a typical newsgroup post:

It is _fact_ that Emachines uses entirely proprietary motherboards and power supplies. I've seen both. The powersupplies are significantly smaller than any other PC powersupply I've ever seen, and they burn out. The motherboard cannot be replaced with anything (even in Emachines towers where you'd think maybe you could). We're talking 'disposable computer' here, it's the opposite of what the PC is theoretically capable of. The eOne in particular is everything people warned against in the iMac, only this time the inability to fix the machine or get parts is beyond inexcusable.

I build and fix computers and I wont TOUCH an e-machine.

17 posted on 10/04/2003 3:09:13 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: mlmr
Do they still make computers with only 120 mb drives?
18 posted on 10/04/2003 3:09:23 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: mlmr
Make sure to check the Dell website: the refurbished page.
They also offer free shipping and some warranty.
19 posted on 10/04/2003 3:09:29 PM PDT by fortress
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To: Old Professer
See my #17, Doc
20 posted on 10/04/2003 3:10:04 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: mlmr
a few very important suggestions:

Call DELL, they might give you a good deal on two, and their over-the-phone deals are good.

PCs (i.e., MS windows) are used by 90-95% of people, including the gamers, so go with that rather than linix, unix, apple, mac, etc. Almost any software and games you would want are made for PCs, but not necessarily for the others.

Most important, talk to your local phone company about DSL, broadband. I have MSN Broadband through Qwest, it costs me about $30-35 a month, and I don't need another internet connection. You get unlimited connectivity at quite fast speed.
21 posted on 10/04/2003 3:10:30 PM PDT by fqued (Arnold, in spite of a "vote for Tom McClintock being a vote for Pia Zadora.")
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To: KellyAdmirer
Dell sells used machines and refurbished machines with the O/S stripped; a $350 machine will need $600.00 worth of software to work.
22 posted on 10/04/2003 3:10:51 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: mlmr
I think E-machines use a celeron cpu, which are ok. E-machines are ok cheap computers and should serve you well as long as you don't plan on upgrading them.
You could add a better video card etc, but that's about it.
We bought one a few years ago and the fan on the power supply was noisy, but it still works.
23 posted on 10/04/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Words mean something)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
hrmmmm.. Thanks for the info.
24 posted on 10/04/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri Schiavo. ...Lord, please save Terri Schiavo. ... www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mlmr
I know one person with an E machine, and he loves it.
25 posted on 10/04/2003 3:11:36 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (New EIB motto - What Would Marion Barry Do?)
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To: mlmr
Buy from Dell. Good machines, and service after the sale. But don't ask for something with 512K and 120MB, or they'll ask you the last decade that you purchased your last computer. (I'm guessing you meant 512MB of RAM and a 120GB drive, which sounds just fine for what you're doing.)
26 posted on 10/04/2003 3:11:55 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: mlmr
I agree with the guy that suggested going to the Dell outlet area, you may also want to investigate the HP outlet for refurbed HPs and Compaqs. CompUSA's auction section also has some solid looking deals from time to time.
27 posted on 10/04/2003 3:12:12 PM PDT by Vladivostok
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To: Old Professer
Dell sells used machines and refurbished machines with the O/S stripped; a $350 machine will need $600.00 worth of software to work.

Not true - Dell's refurbs come with the same software package as when they were new.

28 posted on 10/04/2003 3:14:09 PM PDT by general_re (SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Sarcasm Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks To Your Health.)
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To: mlmr
I've been checking out the Dell catalog, as I'm looking to buy a new computer, soon, and the Dell Dimension 2400 looks pretty good to me, and it's only $500. It has the following (Note that I'm a fairly computer illiterate guy, so I don't know what much of this means. I just know it's better than the computer I have, now):

- Intel Celeron Processor at 2.20 GHz
- 128MB Shared DDR SDRAM at 266MHz
- 40GB ATA/100 Value Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
- 17" E773 Monitor
- Integrated Intel 3D Extreme Graphics
- 48x CD-ROM Drive
- Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
- Altec Lansing ADA 215 Speakers

Like I said, only $500 (I plan on getting one with a flat-screen monitor, which'll run $700, instead). Just a thought. Here's the Dell number, in case you want to ask for a catalog or ask some other questions. 1-800-576-3355. Hope that helps.
29 posted on 10/04/2003 3:14:26 PM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; mlmr
I've used an E-Machines "E-Slate" K6 III HEAVILY for three years now, with no problems.

It was right under $1000 when I bought it new at Costco, and hasn't given me a spot of trouble. It's travelled all over the country with me.

That's the only E-Machine anecdote I can supply. Don't know about their other machines.

30 posted on 10/04/2003 3:16:17 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: Green Knight
What fascinates me, is that I wrote "call Dell" and it appears that most other posters so far have also said "Dell."

Kind of strange, being in the majority. . . .
31 posted on 10/04/2003 3:18:17 PM PDT by fqued (Arnold, in spite of a "vote for Tom McClintock being a vote for Pia Zadora.")
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To: mlmr
I believe any box running XP or W2k will have adequate support for multmedia, except if custom made, or intended as servers. Tell the salespeople they have to run realplayer and a cd, fire 'em up with some some cds. download Realplayer from the website and do the website's function test. This will show you what you need to know. Some sort of multimedia support is pretty standard at $600 or so.

Dells are nice because they give fine handholding, return priviledges (no shipping to pay), and will steer you to a good box. Athlons are OK, more bang for the buck.

In your shoes I would go with a fairly "slow" processer and a hard drive more like 40 gig. Also I would see my favorite used computer shop. I could go out right this second and buy a Pentium III with multimedia, CD, and 20-40 gig drive for under $200 (with likely more than 5 years of life left), or a good 17" Sony tube monitor for $80. Personally I'd load them with W2K.

Apples are very expensive for the performance provided. If you want a totally secure OS Linux or even OpenBSD.

32 posted on 10/04/2003 3:19:54 PM PDT by Iris7 (Victory, always Victory, at any cost, though the beasts of Hell march against us!!!!!)
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To: mlmr
I tell you this as soberly as I can manage: under NO CIRCUMSTANCES purchase an emachines computer, unless it is intended as a gift for a mortal enemy.

My father bought one of these boat anchors several years ago. On paper it looked like a good deal, but to get the low price he had to buy a 3-year subscription to a god-awful MSN service that he didn't need. New out of the box, the machine would freeze every half an hour, and tech support was almost non-existent. Occasionally, the machine would go "on the fritz", with nothing displayed on the screen but an odd kind of snow. Everything about the machine was cheap and flimsy. It sounded like a lawnmower. It even stank.

I got so fed up with helping him cope with this system that we bought him a new Dell Dimension 2400 last month (complete system including monitor for $500, shipping was free). Rock solid, no problems so far.

33 posted on 10/04/2003 3:20:30 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: mlmr
I would probably aviod E-Machines, jsut my personal opinion. They like to offer really great deals, but skimp around on the hardware end. As for good solid machines, try Dell or Gateway. I cringe when I suggest Gateway, but it would be better than a HP or Compaq machine, which in my mind are closer to Emachines than Dell. All this of course is if you can't get a reputable, locally built computer in the area, I find they can build far more superior machines than any big computer company can.
34 posted on 10/04/2003 3:21:03 PM PDT by rs79bm
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To: martin_fierro
The guy I know is using their newest laptop - its apparently featured up.
35 posted on 10/04/2003 3:21:26 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (New EIB motto - What Would Marion Barry Do?)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I agree. Emachines are the McDonald's of computers. My neighbor bought one and it was pushing up daisies within two weeks.
36 posted on 10/04/2003 3:21:44 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: martin_fierro
Oh, that e-machine. I thought this thread was about the original e-machine:

eMac and OS X and iDVD

37 posted on 10/04/2003 3:24:07 PM PDT by cebadams (much better than ezra)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Yeah, I'm considering the M5310, too.

PC Magazine wasn't wild about it, tho.

38 posted on 10/04/2003 3:26:09 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: mlmr; Iris7
"Also I would see my favorite used computer shop. I could go out right this second and buy a Pentium III with multimedia, CD, and 20-40 gig drive for under $200 (with likely more than 5 years of life left)"

We bought a good used, refurbished computer for our daughter from a local computer repair shop three years ago. It was a great deal and we've been very happy with it.

39 posted on 10/04/2003 3:26:33 PM PDT by Ches (Mrs.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
I build and fix computers and I wont TOUCH an e-machine.

Sounds like the old Packard-Bells!! I refused to work on them for friends.."Opening the case is like being the first to arrive at a horrible accident-You do not want to look, but you have to!"

40 posted on 10/04/2003 3:27:04 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
It is _fact_ that Emachines uses entirely proprietary motherboards and power supplies. I've seen both. The powersupplies are significantly smaller than any other PC powersupply I've ever seen, and they burn out. The motherboard cannot be replaced with anything (even in Emachines towers where you'd think maybe you could). We're talking 'disposable computer' here, it's the opposite of what the PC is theoretically capable of.

This is true. But, the same can also be said of really inexpensive Gateway, HP, and Compaq computers. Totally inexcusable system design make these computers a real pain to work on or upgrade. However, you are right when you say Emachines sells these types of computers as their flagship model.
41 posted on 10/04/2003 3:27:48 PM PDT by rs79bm
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To: Green Knight
That choice of yours is good, except for one thing. With WindowsXP you will be a lot happier with 256 or even 512 Megs of main memory. 128 megs will end up using the hard drive a great deal for virtual memory, and you will think the machine is slow, but it will be only short of memory.
42 posted on 10/04/2003 3:28:37 PM PDT by Iris7 (Victory, always Victory, at any cost, though the beasts of Hell march against us!!!!!)
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To: mlmr
I have been looking at the E machines at Best buy.

I've owned 2 eMachines and was never sorry. They are very nicely priced and well put together.

43 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:06 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: mlmr
I have two Dells in the house, an undersized, but okay for the wife laptop, and a newer, bigger tower for me. I'm getting ready to put in a house network.

I had trouble with the laptop, but Dell's service is overnight. That's the key. Spend a few extra dollars on their service plan, and buy as much computer as you can afford, because you'll be using the extra capacity before you know it.

Dell will be around to take care of you, and some of the others won't.

44 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:22 PM PDT by khenrich
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To: Gorzaloon
Sounds like the old Packard-Bells!!

You mean you didn't like those old sound/modem combo cards??? You don't know what you were missing!

/sarcasm off
45 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:28 PM PDT by rs79bm
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To: mlmr
I would hesitate to buy anything over the counter, esp. a DELL !

I did tech support for them for a year. They spend more on the their advertising than on their product. I had never been cursed so many times in my life as I did that year!!

My advice is simple: Find a local “geek” and have him build a good/solid machine and install a real operating system ( not a "recovery disc").

The problem with most over-the-counter machines is they use the cheapest parts that can be found. The outside is cool looking, but the inside is third-world.

There are two places that I would recommend online for help in this area. PCPartsCollection.Com and TigerDirect.com

I build my own computers. These are the places that I get my parts from. They , also, have computers that they build themselves. Just a thought!
46 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:45 PM PDT by patriota-ferus ("All that is needed for EVIL to flourish is for good men to do nothing!")
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To: mlmr
I'm not sure how much you want to spend, but Cyberpower has a weekly special on their AMD Athlon XP-2200, 256MB DDR RAM, 80GB hard drive, no monitor, no OS, for $399.

Or for $599, you can get their AMD Athlon XP-2100, 256MB DDR RAM, 40GB hard drive, 19-inch ViewSonic monitor, CD-RW 52x24x52, Windows XP Home Edition. This one won a c|Net Editor's Choice Award. My brother owns one of them and likes it.

First choice for me, though, is still a Dell. Wouldn't want an eMachine.

47 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:49 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mlmr
Tyan motherboards and AMD processors have always worked for me. Find someone who can put one together for you.
48 posted on 10/04/2003 3:29:50 PM PDT by Agnes Heep
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To: breakem
I too, recommend Dell. I have two myself and have recommended them to many people, none whom have been dissapointed.

They are a bit more expensive than the cheapest you can find at costco, etc., but you have much less risk of buying one the is badly underconfigured. This is the biggest mistake most computer buyers make.

Even if you don't actually buy a Dell, looking at the default configuration on their web page will give you some idea as how much memory and drive space you need.

A 120MB disk drive would be way underconfigured. You may have meant 120GB, which might be a bit high. But maybe not, if you want to do things such as video. I have 370GB myself.

On drive sizes, there is kind of a sweet spot. Buying too small wastes money if you can get a 5 times larger drive for $20 more. Buying the biggest you can find wastes money because you pay an non proportional premium for "the best".
49 posted on 10/04/2003 3:30:15 PM PDT by dinasour
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To: Leroy S. Mort
"AAAACKKKK !! (Makes sign of cross) NOOO NOOOOO not E-Machines."

I have experience with two cheap e-machines computers, including one that is about 2 years old. No problems to report whatsoever except for video issues when playing certain games. This was fixed by upgrading the memory to 512 megs. Everything else runs fine, including 5 other operating systems such as RedHat Linux 9.
50 posted on 10/04/2003 3:30:26 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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