Iraqi quagmire, job losses at home sapping W's support (MEGA-PROJECTILE BARF ALERT)

Star Newspapers (Chicago) ^ | Sunday, October 5, 2003 | David Johnson Star columnist

[Chi-townChief]

The race card is hard to resist on this one (most be some some liberal remnant in me):

Note how Mr. Johnson disses African-American Sec. of State Powell and NSA Rice in favor of KKK Grand Kleagle Byrd. I am outraged!! Why, if Byrd had his way, Ms. Rice and Mr. Powell would be cleaning houses and shining shoes!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway, it may come to President Bush being only one term but along the way, he has tossed out dictators in Afghanistan and Iraq, reduced our obscene income taxes (while, unfortunately, not cutting spending) and has begun the rebuilding of our military which was gutted in the 90's. And if Mr. Johnson really believes that we can depend on the UN for support of our national security, he should go back to watching "West Wing."

[Chi-townChief]

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[Free_at_last_-2001]

The senator advises that the president's overall one-year, $87-billion request is larger than .... - but..but.. this is all about oil surely it's worth 87 bil to control the oil? Liberals didn't lie to us about the oil now did they?

[Free_at_last_-2001]

Lets send in the UN oil inspectors - quick!

[mikeb704]

Johnson is a professor at South Suburban College in South Holland and a former mayor of Harvey.

Now there are a couple of most impressive credentials.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

[Chi-townChief]

Obviously, you know what David Johnson is about.

[Willie Green]

The race card is hard to resist on this one (most be some some liberal remnant in me):

It's become the last tactic of desperation for neocons.
Those of us who have been true conservatives all our lives have become quite accustomed to seeing it used as a diversion from the serious meat of issues.

The truth is, while I support the President's war against terrorism, and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein (whether or not they ever find WMD), Dubya has bungled the economy big time. The 'Rats are totally clueless as far as proposing viable and effective alternatives, but it's still the Administration's own irresponsible policies that have given them a legitimate issue to harp about.

[Savage Beast]

"the unraveling of the Bush administration's support among the American people."

Wishful thinking, David. Maybe you'd better wake up and face reality--even if you don't like it--for your own good. Nothing is more dangerous than self-deception.

[Chi-townChief]

Sorry if you didn't get it, Willie, but I used the "race card" as a joke. Too subtle, I guess.

As far as the economy is concerned, you're correct; the president has bungled it just like presidents have for 100 years. More importantly, WE (you and I included) bungled the economy badly over the last 45 years or so.

I'm tired of hearing from UAW members, for example, who have driven foreign cars since the 70s whining about how the goverment has to do something about trade. These boys dropped the ball themselves and expect someone else to pick it up for them. When I brought the issue up to them in '77-'80, they laughed like it was a big joke. Well, it was, but the joke was on them. Likewise, with steel, electronics, textiles, etc. These folks all sold themselves out to save a buck or two.

[Archangelsk]

The 'Rats are totally clueless as far as proposing viable and effective alternatives

Or the Rats have learned not to propose anything until they have recaptured the WH. Afterall, both the President and Clinton have taken ideas from the other side and made them their own.

[Willie Green]

'm tired of hearing from UAW members, for example, who have driven foreign cars since the 70s whining about how the goverment has to do something about trade. These boys dropped the ball themselves and expect someone else to pick it up for them. When I brought the issue up to them in '77-'80, they laughed like it was a big joke.

LOL! Well IF they were laughing it was because you ARE a joke.
It's evident you've never even been IN a UAW plant.
Sheeesh. Whenever I would visit a GM or Chrysler plant when I worked for an automotive supplier, I received cold glares simply because I drove a FORD. LOL! You might spot a foreign vehicle every now and then in the parking lot -- but I can guarantee that they were very few and far between. And you're also forgetting the HUGE employee discounts UAW members get if they work directly for one of the Big Three.

Spare me the hogwash about UAW members buying foreign cars.
I've been there firsthand and ain't buying that baloney.

[Chi-townChief]

Put your money where your big mouth (or keyboard) is, Willie-boy. I worked in a UAW plant in Chicago (Bellwood, actually, supplying Ford, Chrysler, AMC, Clark, White Motors, Cat, TRW,etc.) from June '76 to May '80 when I was laid off during the Carter recession. And you'd see quite a few (I'd estimate 10 - 15% at least) of the members there driving Toyotas and Volkswagens.

I remember, in particular, arguing with a guy over a Toyota Corona he just bought (I had just purchased a '78 Buick Regal) and he replied, "American cars just aren't any good." The place shut down in '85 or '86 moving partly to Tallahassee FL and Washington, NC, smaller non-union plants.

You boys including Buchanan who encouraged policies that exported jobs back then are the real joke. You frustrated Buchananites are the cavalry arriving 40 years too late.

[Willie Green]

I remember, in particular, arguing with a guy over a Toyota Corona he just bought (I had just purchased a '78 Buick Regal) and he replied, "American cars just aren't any good."

I'm not sure what your point is.
You were WRONG, and HE was RIGHT.
The quality of American cars were crap in those years.
The industry was still directing resourcs to compliance with federal OSHA and EPA regulations imposed just a few years earlier, along with a drastic market shift that was precipitated by OPEC and the Arab Oil Embargo.

You boys including Buchanan who encouraged policies that exported jobs back then are the real joke.

Well in the words of Ronald Reagan: "There you go again."
Just like other liberals, you can't keep your facts straight, so you desperately resort to some kind of fictional character attack against Pat Buchanan.

[Chi-townChief]

Buchanan sure didn't protest Nixon signing either OSHA or EPA into law and actually traveled with Tricky Dick to open trade with China. You just keep proving yourself a liar or a fool, Willie-boy. So go ahead and keep buying yourself all that made in China crap and, by all means, keep blaming everyone else.

[ex-snook]

"Iraqi quagmire, job losses at home sapping W's support "

People are beginning to see Bush has the worst record since Carter. In only 3 years - 3 million lost jobs, 2 wars and still no dead or alive Saddam, bin Laden, WMD, peace in Israel, or friendly nations in the world and the terrorist alert flag is still flying. Why should he have support?

Bush should not run again so another Republican can.

[Willie Green]

Buchanan sure didn't protest Nixon signing either OSHA or EPA into law and actually traveled with Tricky Dick to open trade with China.

LOL!!!

The ultimate liberal trump card!
Blame it all on the most villainous conservative you can think of: "Tricky Dick" Nixon!

ROTFLMAO! You've successfully "outed" yourself!
LOL! You're still pi$$ed because McGovern got whooped. LOL!!!

[okie01]

"...but it's still the Administration's own irresponsible policies that have given them a legitimate issue to harp about."

Such as...??? Just curious. You would oppose the tax cuts, e.g.?

[Chi-townChief]

Wrong again, Willie. I proudly voted for Nixon in '72 for many raesons. And if I had the same choice I'd do it again although I'd hardly consider Dick a real conservative economically. You're just a hitless wonder here, aren't you?

[Willie Green]

Such as...??? Just curious. You would oppose the tax cuts, e.g.?

Even with the benefit of dramatic interest rate reductions by the Federal Reserve, Dubya's tax cuts are failing to produce the economic stimulus that was promised. That is because the money is hemorrhaging OUT of our domestic economy as increased overseas investment and through the Trade Deficit.

Rather than merely cutting taxes to placate partisan demands, Dubya should've implemented a shift in tax policy. Yes, lower domestic taxation, but do it in combination with a reduction in federal expenditures along with raising of federal revenues through a relatively low (10~15%), flat-rate "revenue tariff" placed on ALL imported goods. Such a shift in policy would've retained more of the money from his tax cuts WITHIN our domestic economy and provide the desired stimulus effect. Those actions would've also avoided the record Budget Deficit that the Administration is now imposing on the nation.

Dubya didn't do that. Instead, he adheres to a politicly simplistic and myopic dogma of tax reduction while irresponsibly ignoring his duty to balance the budget by controlling expenditures or obtaining revenue from other sources.