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Readers Angry at The Times for Schwarzenegger Stories
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 5, 2003 | Steve Hymon, Cara Mia DiMassa and Mitchell Landsberg, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 10/05/2003 10:54:03 AM PDT by Nachum

Kathy McIver is a Democrat from La Habra and a longtime subscriber to The Times. Today's paper, she says, will be the last that will be delivered to her door.

Like many readers, McIver is angry. She is angry about The Times' coverage of the California recall campaign, and especially angry about the stories that the newspaper has run in recent days detailing allegations that Arnold Schwarzenegger touched women inappropriately.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: angry; backfire; calgov2002; latimes; latimeschadenfreude; losangelestimes; mediabias; readers; recall; schadenfreude; schwarzenegger; smearcampaign; stories; thetimes
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Over a thousand readers have recently terminated their subscriptions.
1 posted on 10/05/2003 10:54:03 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: All
Hi mom!
2 posted on 10/05/2003 10:54:42 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Nachum
BUMP!
3 posted on 10/05/2003 11:02:44 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
I refuse to register at their site. Did the reporters have anything to say for themselves?
4 posted on 10/05/2003 11:05:56 AM PDT by hobson
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To: Nachum
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5 posted on 10/05/2003 11:07:23 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: hobson
Typical lies from the editors saying they aren't biased and weren't taking direction from the Rats.
6 posted on 10/05/2003 11:14:43 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Nachum
excerpt:

Lewis Garrigus, 55, a retired financial analyst who described himself as a longtime Times reader, was among those saying he would cancel his subscription.

"It's not just me saying the L.A. Times is prejudiced," said Garrigus, who lives in the Orange County town of Stanton. "It's everyone. I finally got absolutely sick of it. There is never anything positive about Schwarzenegger on the front page of the paper."

Garrigus said that he hasn't voted in 20 years, but plans to vote Tuesday — because he is so upset by The Times' coverage. "I swear, I can't stand it anymore," he said. "There are never two sides of something on the front page. Who does your editor think he's kidding?"

7 posted on 10/05/2003 11:16:32 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (Braves in...hmmmm...5?)
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To: John Jorsett
I just sent the following to the LA Time's reader's representative:
Disgraceful recall coverage

Your obvious bias in assigning two teams of investigators to Schwarzenegger and none to Davis is appalling. Jill Stewart has noted in a 1997 article that Davis has been accused of physical violence against office staff, but do you check it out? Noooo. This transparent flacking for a particular side in the recall election is an embarrassment to the profession of journalism.


8 posted on 10/05/2003 11:16:34 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Nachum
The New York Crimes Nazi hit piece and the LA Slimes groping hit piece are two stellar example of how desperate the filthy, rotten, hate-America Marxists are.
9 posted on 10/05/2003 11:16:56 AM PDT by tubavil
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To: hobson
Just use the universal freeper user name: hildabeast
and password: isaliar
10 posted on 10/05/2003 11:18:17 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Nachum
The LA Slimes rep was especially defensive on a talking head program this am. He went after any guest or host that even hinted they were biased or connected in anyway with the Davis campaign.

His agression was startling. Even against veteran, liberal commentators.

The LA Slimes know they crossed the line and got caught. Now it's damage control. Watch for several mildly critical articles about Davis over the next two days.

11 posted on 10/05/2003 11:34:29 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Diddle E. Squat; hobson
hobson Just use the universal freeper user name: hildabeast and password: isaliar

You can also use:

name: membername
password: password

12 posted on 10/05/2003 11:36:32 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Nachum
I listened to Susan Estridge (a DEMOCRAT Professor and TV personality with a SCREECHY voice) and a San Francicso Chronicle woman both say the LA TIMES was unprofessional and USED UNAMMED SOURCES and did not give Arnold a chance to answer these allegations.

This was the HEIGHT up unprofessional and unprecedented.

SMEAR campaigning FOR an election.

They both thought it was going to backfire.

I also heard people calling in to a talk show.. who said they were actually NOT for the recall.. but this was the dirtiest they had seen Davis campaign yet..and it changed their minds. Now they are going to vote!!!

I think it is going to backfire!!!

People were TICKED off before.. then he did the illegal immigrants thing. NOW THIS!!

His BAD!!!!
13 posted on 10/05/2003 11:43:07 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: Where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; Miss Marple; Tamsey; ...

Schadenfreude

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This is the Mainstream Media Shenanigans ping list. Please freepmail me to be added or dropped.
Please note this is a medium- to high-volume list.
Please feel free to ping me if you come across a thread you would think worthy of this ping list. I can't catch them all!


14 posted on 10/05/2003 12:01:12 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
(Gotta remember that one. I HATE registering at those rags)
15 posted on 10/05/2003 12:04:20 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Prop 53: YES|Prop 54: YES|Recall: YES|Governor: TOM, but will settle for Arnie)
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To: Nachum
What every Freeper should do Tuesday night:

*ring*

LAT: "Newsroom."

FR: "Hi, I wanted to call in a news tip?"

LAT: "Sure, go ahead."

FR: "I just heard that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the new governor of California! HA-ha!"

LAT: "Argh!" *click*



(Yeah, it's juvenile. So what.)

16 posted on 10/05/2003 12:05:16 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Susan Estridge (a DEMOCRAT Professor and TV personality with a SCREECHY voice)


17 posted on 10/05/2003 12:07:26 PM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Nachum
Over a thousand readers have recently terminated their subscriptions.

I see no reason why we should trust the LA Times to report on the LA Times. Keep in mind that "over a thousand" can mean anywhere from 1001 to the entire circulation of the paper (just barely over one million). I'm guessing the true number of cancellations is probably closer to 5,000.

18 posted on 10/05/2003 12:09:48 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: hobson
"Did the reporters have anything to say for themselves?"

No, it was all about angry people, some identified as Democrats or Independents by name, who were cancelling because the Times slimed Arnold 5 days before the elections, and he really has no time to respond, particularly to his anonymous accusers. My favorite quote came near the end:

Before a Schwarzenegger rally in Modesto, a warmup speaker, Rob Johnson, a radio host on local station KFIV-AM, said jokingly:

"You notice the media is right back behind you there. How about a nice wave to the media. Hi, media. Except for the guy Who's the guy with the L.A. Times? Find him and beat him up, would you?"

19 posted on 10/05/2003 12:11:55 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Timesink
Actually, the language of the Times' exactly is:

As of Saturday evening, about 1,000 readers

Like you, I would like to think it is more, but this the description they used.

20 posted on 10/05/2003 12:13:41 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: John Jorsett
Just curious. Not being in Kali, does the LAT ever print the truth about Davis? The local paper here uses LAT editorials
(nat/intl issues) a couple of times a week.

BTB, journalism is a TRADE, not a profession, regardless of the ego inflation and hype of so-called journalists and professors of journalism.

21 posted on 10/05/2003 12:15:49 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: jimbo123
Note that the Times's editor stupidly admits THEY created this story by harassing any female in Hollywood they could get to answer the phone, until they were able to gin up enough women willing to make the claim. No wonder it took them weeks to accomplish!:
Carroll said the reporters had, for the most part, made "cold calls" to people in the film industry after hearing that Schwarzenegger had a reputation for mistreating women. For instance, he said, they had called women listed in the credits of movies starring Schwarzenegger.
What more proof do you need that the Los Angeles Times WANTED to make this story happen, instead of merely reporting?
22 posted on 10/05/2003 12:16:56 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Nachum
Like you, I would like to think it is more, but this the description they used.

Yeah, I just noticed that they said "about" instead of "over" while reading over the article. I still think it was far more, though.

23 posted on 10/05/2003 12:18:09 PM PDT by Timesink (For a good time, visit clark2004.meetup.com. Ask for Mary!)
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To: Timesink
LOL-

In the view of L.A. times, "about" could be 1,000, give or take 10,000 or so...

24 posted on 10/05/2003 12:21:35 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: ChadGore
Hmmm ... have you ever seen THESE two in the same place?



25 posted on 10/05/2003 12:22:02 PM PDT by strela (Will Tom McClintock have to "make a re$ervation" to pay back all that Indian money?)
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To: strela
Yikes, Aahnuld has the "Corbomite device"!
26 posted on 10/05/2003 12:23:32 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: strela
Careful, Susan Estrich is one of the few honest Liberals.
27 posted on 10/05/2003 12:26:57 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Nachum
Over a thousand readers have recently terminated their subscriptions.

Wow, this is encouraging.
Nice to know that these liberal leftist propaganda machines are finally being held accountable.

28 posted on 10/05/2003 12:31:57 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Nachum
"... Kathy McIver is a Democrat from La Habra and a longtime subscriber to The Times. Today's paper, she says, will be the last that will be delivered to her door..."

"... She is angry about The Times' coverage... that they would do that type of investigation and not balance it..."

"... To me this is a fairness issue," said Debbie Mahoney, a 52-year-old Northern California resident... She said The Times has demonstrated "true bias"..."

"... The Times has laid "this stuff out like stink bombs at the last moment... " said Bill Agee, a 64-year-old Capistrano Beach resident."

"He identified himself as a political moderate who is registered as an independent. He said he canceled his 20-year subscription to the paper last year. "I just got tired of the slant, to be honest with you," he said..."

"...Lewis Garrigus, 55, a retired financial analyst who described himself as a longtime Times reader, was among those saying he would cancel his subscription..."

"It's not just me saying the L.A. Times is prejudiced," said Garrigus... "It's everyone. I finally got absolutely sick of it..."

"... I swear, I can't stand it anymore," he said. "There are never two sides of something on the front page. Who does your editor think he's kidding?"

"... readers... have flooded the paper with calls, e-mails and letters..."

"As of Saturday evening, about 1,000 readers had canceled their subscriptions to protest the handling of the Schwarzenegger story. In addition, the newspaper had received as many as 400 phone calls critical of its coverage — many angry, some profane."

"About 800 people had written to praise the newspaper's coverage, many apparently motivated by a liberal Web site that urged readers to register their support."

"... Jamie Gold... The Times' readers' representative... is responsible for responding to complaints, said she was aware of few events that have ever triggered such anger by the newspaper's readers..."

"... Editor John Carroll responded that he believed The Times has provided balanced coverage... "We didn't have a story until the day we ran it," Carroll said. "We were working for seven weeks, seeking women, trying to persuade the women we found to talk with us..."

"... Carroll said the reporters had, for the most part, made "cold calls" to people in the film industry after hearing that Schwarzenegger had a reputation for mistreating women. For instance, he said, they had called women listed in the credits of movies starring Schwarzenegger..."

"... Some readers have responded to allegations made on television by a former Times staffer, Jill Stewart, that the newspaper had finished the Schwarzenegger story two weeks before it was published, and that reporters were unhappy that the story had been held up..."

"... Carla Hall, one of the principal reporters who worked on the story, said that was not true. She said the story wasn't finished until the day before it appeared in the newspaper..."
29 posted on 10/05/2003 12:32:44 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: Jorge
I thought this would probably backfire on the democrats and their media. People aren't as stupid as they believe. You'd think after defending Clinton for his rapes, attempted rapes, sexual harassment, intimidation of witnesses, and perjury that the democrats would be too ashamed to use these tactics. So Arnold pinched a couple butts on Hollywood movie sets. Maybe it was those bimbos who were photographed jumping on the bed in the Lincoln bedroom in the White House during the Clinton days?
30 posted on 10/05/2003 12:38:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: DumpsterDiver
hobson Just use the universal freeper user name: hildabeast and password: isaliar

You can also use:

name: membername password: password

They might have worked once, but they don't anymore

31 posted on 10/05/2003 12:41:04 PM PDT by Kaslin (Does anyone have a tagline they can spare?)
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To: John Jorsett
Here is my letter:

Your paper should be renamed the Pravda. It's so refreshingly retro to be as unilateral as Saddam's voting base, isn't it? We see Davis spokesmen on TV claiming they had "nothing to do" with the hit pieces you cleverly keep releasing on Arnold Schwarzenegger. How Clintonianly true of them; the whole truth is that you and Governor Davis have the same goal: for him to remain in power.

I was waiting to see the heavy-duty tabloid research articles on Davis and Bustamante. The former was accused of physically abusing staff members to the point of them needing hospitalization, and the latter has used the N-word in public (it can't be a slip if you do not use the word at all) and never repudiated Mecha's racist mission statement. Alas. Only one candidate has to have his reputation and honor ripped to shreds in the paper.

You're the number one paper in L.A. so I guess you are like that old Saturday Night Live spoof commercial: "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the [L.A. Times]." A fine thing to be proud of. Just don't call this oldest profession you perform journalism.

Sincerely,

32 posted on 10/05/2003 12:41:32 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
CNN has continued to report the Hitler allegation. The groping story is old and would cause no great shock in California. However, CNN has reported the false Hitler allegations but not that it has been retracted.
33 posted on 10/05/2003 12:49:32 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: concentric circles
Right. They didn't have a story until the day they ran it.

The question is...Did they meet their production deadline?

It took them weeks to assemble the 'facts', their pursuit of truth having operated on the philosophy that 'parts is parts', creating a news item out of bits and pieces of cloth, as opposed to whole cloth, for which they could be sued.

They are simply a Rat Party organ, as they called these rags in the good 'ol USS of R.

;^)
34 posted on 10/05/2003 12:55:22 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Yaelle
Mine follows (I haven't cancelled because there is no other alternative -- keep your friends close and your enemies closer...)



Dear Editor (also Reader's Representative)
I direct you to: http://kfi640.com/gumbyviolence.html

where a story from your paper has been posted. Please note that it is direct proof, with names named, of individuals in Gray Davis' office who were ASSAULTED by him. Why is this not running side-by-side with your Arnold hit pieces?

I understand your editorial board is against the Recall and especially against Arnold. But I think it is appaling that a paper of your stature would stoop to actually changing the news coverage to support such a position. Your begrudging and late (and minimal) coverage on Bustamante's membership in the racist organization Mecha, your "October Surprise" partisan smear articles (no doubt initiated by Bob Mulholland), the fact you don't link MoveOn.org with the attempt by the Left to IGNORE sexual conduct by officeholders, etc. etc, etc. makes it clear you are in league with the Leftist Socialist government we inadvertantly elected.

If it wasn't for TJ Simers and Michael Ramirez, I would probably cancel my subscription (I may yet, I am still mulling it over...).

As a subscriber, I demand equal and reasonable reporting outside the confines of the Editorial and Opinion sections!

35 posted on 10/05/2003 12:55:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Calvin Locke
BTB, journalism is a TRADE, not a profession ...

Dang, its been a long time since I've heard that, thanks for the reminder.

36 posted on 10/05/2003 12:56:59 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: strela
Susan Estrich:

Susan Ostrich:


37 posted on 10/05/2003 1:07:56 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Yaelle
Just don't call this oldest profession you perform journalism.

ROFL! Good one.

38 posted on 10/05/2003 1:10:10 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Nachum

MEDIA BIAS? Just the tip of the scum pile.


39 posted on 10/05/2003 1:14:26 PM PDT by Stallone (If you're a McNader, you're part of the problem)
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To: Ichneumon
Separated at hatching?
41 posted on 10/05/2003 1:23:42 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I took your advice about registering as Hildebeast and it worked. Thank you.
42 posted on 10/05/2003 1:24:13 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: strela
Oh my.....the resemblance.....it's uncanny....
43 posted on 10/05/2003 1:28:03 PM PDT by Thoro (Superman + The Corleone Family = The United Nations)
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To: notorious vrc
Hey, Balok turned out to be a GOOD guy ;)
44 posted on 10/05/2003 1:50:13 PM PDT by strela (Will Tom McClintock have to "make a re$ervation" to pay back all that Indian money?)
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To: Kaslin
just use the new fake email addy... the gist is this: make up any name you want, up to 14 characters, and then add this:@mailinator.com. this is a link to an existing server, so it won't be kicked back as invalid. any replies or spam will be sent to this addy, which automatically deletes it every 20 minutes. Ive used this a couple of times to get on sites that force you to register to gain content. Heard about it on XM based computer show. have fun,

CC

45 posted on 10/05/2003 1:52:32 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative
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To: Nachum
good read.
46 posted on 10/05/2003 1:56:35 PM PDT by jern
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To: Nachum
"Before a Schwarzenegger rally in Modesto, a warmup speaker, Rob Johnson, a radio host on local station KFIV-AM, said jokingly:

"You notice the media is right back behind you there. How about a nice wave to the media. Hi, media. Except for the guy Who's the guy with the L.A. Times? Find him and beat him up, would you?""

Do we know this guy?

47 posted on 10/05/2003 1:57:13 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Calif Recall- Speaking of conservative principles how do you feel about "W" s conservatism?)
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To: jimbo123
Typical lies from the editors saying they aren't biased and weren't taking direction from the Rats.

In addition to that, I watched the Sunday news programs and not one of them stated in their coverage of the Arnold "Hitler" story that the LA Slimes had retracted their previous story when they obviously got it wrong.

All they covered was the fact that the Slimes ran a story stating that Arnold said he admired Hitler. Agenda? What agenda?

48 posted on 10/05/2003 1:59:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Nachum
bump
49 posted on 10/05/2003 2:03:48 PM PDT by perfect stranger (No tagline today. Tagline yesterday, tagline tomorrow, but no tagline today.)
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To: strela
OMG!

Susan Estrich is a space alien from Star Trek!

50 posted on 10/05/2003 2:07:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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