Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Furore Over Study That Suggests 'Cure' For Homosexuality
Independent (UK) ^ | 10-6-2003 | Steve Connor

Posted on 10/05/2003 3:56:36 PM PDT by blam

Furore over study that suggests 'cure' for homosexuality

By Steve Connor, Science Editor
06 October 2003

A study showing that it may be possible to change the sexual orientation of gays and lesbians has reopened the debate over whether people are born homosexual or straight.

Research that demonstrates some homosexual men and women were capable of becoming "predominantly" heterosexual through psychotherapy has created a furore within academia.

The study was based on interviews with 200 men and women who claimed to have had their gay preferences changed in therapy - often provided by religious organisations that believe homosexuality is a developmental abnormality.

Critics believe the study is flawed but supporters argue that it exposes the myth that homosexuality is "hard-wired" at birth, which would mean that nothing can be done to alter a person's preordained sexuality. The findings are being taken seriously because the study - published in the current issue of Archives of Sexual Behaviour - was conducted by Robert Spitzer, a professor of psychiatry at Columbia University in New York.

Professor Spitzer is an eminent authority on sexual orientation and, in 1973, was instrumental in having homosexuality removed from the American Psychiatric Association's list of mental illnesses.

Most homosexuals are happy with their sexual preferences but a small minority are not and would like to adopt a more heterosexual lifestyle, Professor Spitzer said. "It's better not to consider homosexuality as a mental disorder. But I do believe that people who are bothered by their homosexuality have a right to have this therapy," he said.

"The current, politically correct view is that this therapy never works. I think it doesn't work a lot of the time but in some people it does," he said.

"In some of the subjects, the reports of change in sexual orientation were substantial, credible and believable."

The 200 homosexual participants in the study - 143 men and 57 women - came mostly from the US and Canada but a few came from Europe. All claimed that therapy had altered to some extent the way they looked upon the same sex.

The therapy involved a range of psychological techniques, mostly of the "self control" variety, such as avoiding tempting situations, stopping erotic thoughts from developing or mixing socially with straight men and women in non-sexual situations.

Critics of "reparative therapy" argue that it is only effective in getting people to resist their instinctive feelings, simply making them believe that they no longer feel sexually attracted to the same sex.

But Professor Spitzer said the findings show that to be untrue: "This study provides evidence that some gay men and lesbians are able to also change the core features of sexual orientation. Almost all of the participants reported substantial changes in the core aspects of sexual orientation, not merely overt behaviour," he said.

Estimates of how many people are gay vary from about 3 per cent of the population to 10 per cent or slightly higher. Professor Spitzer said he does not know how many of these men and women could be able to change their sexual orientation if they wanted to.

"I suspect it's quite unusual and quite rare. It also depends on what is meant by change. Some may not be able to go as far as experiencing heterosexual arousal," he said.

John Bancroft, an eminent sexologist at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute in Bloomington, said that the Spitzer study's principle strength is that it has been conducted on a relatively large number of people, but he nevertheless has serious reservations.

"First and foremost, the sample consists of men and women who principally sought treatment because of their religious beliefs and who were presenting themselves as evidence that such change was both possible and desirable," Professor Bancroft said.

"Secondly, it is very difficult to discern from this study just what 'reparative therapy' had involved. At best, it has been a long process, with a substantial minority still continuing in ongoing therapy after many years," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: columbiau; cure; exgays; furore; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; prisoners; recovery; robertspitzer; study; therapy
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last

1 posted on 10/05/2003 3:56:37 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: blam
I suspect that homosexuality is somewhat like alcoholism. In some cases, there may be a genetic prediposition for it, which may be reinforced by environmental factors.
2 posted on 10/05/2003 3:59:33 PM PDT by independentmind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

I'M BACK!!!

SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC

Donate Here By Secure Server

Or mail checks to
FreeRepublic , LLC
PO BOX 9771
FRESNO, CA 93794

or you can use

PayPal at Jimrob@psnw.com


STOP BY A BUMP THE FUNDRAISER THREAD (It's in the Breaking News sidebar!)

3 posted on 10/05/2003 3:59:43 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
..."debate over whether people are born homosexual or straight.."

The answer is obvious.. if homosexuality were inherited, would it not be eliminated as homosexuals don't reproduce? (oops I forgot about Arianna Huffington's ex..)

4 posted on 10/05/2003 3:59:44 PM PDT by Zipporah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
'Cure' For Homosexuality


A good start :)

5 posted on 10/05/2003 4:03:18 PM PDT by DCBryan1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
I guess I've been around here for about 6 years or so now. Time sure flies!

When Jim Robinson started this site, it was because he was fed up with the liberal media, and how they would not let people worldwide know about the corruption of the Clinton Administration. A few of us, equally concerned, (with great luck) found it fast.

In the early days, FR was a day-to-day operation, always on the brink of bankruptcy. Jim kept on, and we chipped in when it became too much. We knew how important this site was, and is. Sometimes, it came down to the wire, and we wrote checks, and sent them in, as best we could.

Look at it now. We all get our best information from this site. It is huge, with thousands of posters, and millions of readers. Yet Jim still keeps it alive because of his conviction, and he is absolutely NOT making a profit on it. He just believes. As do we.

BTW, did you know that the founder of this site is in a wheelchair (sorry Jim; I know you think it doesn't make a r*ts a$$ difference. Hey, some folks out there need to come down a peg, like I have.).

Think of it! In the darkest days of the Clinton Administration, there was a lone internet site where people with integrity, brains, and sheer gumption could discuss the dangers faced by the US. Not on CNN, for sure.

Earthmovers like Drudge, Ann Coulter, Rush, WFBuckley, his brother, Savage, Buchanan, both houses of Congress (many) check in to see what we think.

The opposition checks it out, too. Like the NY times staff, CNN, AFL-CIO, China, etc. Trust me, they all come here to read. Even YOUR post. You know by now how they are whining about Rush? We're next, as soon as they figure out how they can trash this site without it getting a million hits.

I've been broke; I've been not broke. I've slept in my car. I know how it feels to be squeezed tight with bills. Folks with giant bills: You're not alone, and you have friends here. :)

If you love this site as much as I do, please, please sign up for automatic payment of just $3 per month. Don't be embarrassed if you think this is too little. It absolutely is not. You $3 a month folks are our grassroots movement heroes. Be proud. Become one of the thousand points of light here, and you will so feel proud every month. We'll thank you for it, and are so glad to have you on board.

I know things are rough out there. But you are tough, and a member of the greatest grassroots freedom movement in 100 years. Together we are making history, and will change the world, as we already have. The best is yet to come.

Most countries out there would consider this website illegal. They hate us, for our freedom. Their systems cannot stand, in the face of Freedom. The people there read us when they can, when they are “allowed” to, and are not being tortured. They flock to us, America, because they want to be free. Help us help them.

Would you please, please consider signing up for just $3 a month? Please? That’s all it takes, really, believe it or not. You will make a world of difference, to, well, the world. Be proud, Americans, and please help out!
6 posted on 10/05/2003 4:04:26 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Please become a monthly donor!!! Just $3 a month--you won't miss it, and will feel proud!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: independentmind
I believe that homosexual conduct is just a symptom of a disorder or a combination of disorders. If the disorder can be "cured" then there will be no more need for the conduct.
7 posted on 10/05/2003 4:05:17 PM PDT by FreePaul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FreePaul
I believe that homosexual conduct is just a symptom of a disorder or a combination of disorders. If the disorder can be "cured" then there will be no more need for the conduct.

I don't disagree with you. Just as with alcoholism, tendencies can be controlled.

8 posted on 10/05/2003 4:07:28 PM PDT by independentmind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: blam
10+% of the population gay? Sure...

It seems to me the more established estimates are around 1-2%. If it was 10% or more, homosexuals would be about as numerous as say, blacks, and would easily give the Democrat party a victory in every election held in America.



9 posted on 10/05/2003 4:08:35 PM PDT by swilhelm73
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MonroeDNA
"Would you please, please consider signing up for just $3 a month? "

Thanks but I already contribute ten (10) times that amount each month.

10 posted on 10/05/2003 4:09:56 PM PDT by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Zipporah

Some kind of abberant genetic drift...an intrinsic error ratio in the code.
11 posted on 10/05/2003 4:12:53 PM PDT by BabaOreally
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: scripter
ping
12 posted on 10/05/2003 4:13:17 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: blam
Truth always makes the Thought Gestapo vicious.

Note that even if a study hints that it may be possible for a homosexual to change his orientation, the Gaystapo flies into an insane rage and the hate-mutants try to destroy those seeking the truth.
13 posted on 10/05/2003 4:21:08 PM PDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BabaOreally
It can't be entirely a matter of choice. Otherwise, how can we explain those homosexual "men" who are very slight, have smooth skin and almost no Adam's apple, have feminine facial bone structure, narrow shoulders, and small graceful hands? How do you explain the sad case who is working at a local store--a boy who has broad hips that make him inadvertently have a feminine wiggle when he walks? No facial hair at 22, no chest or arm hair, a female hairline, a fragile little female nose--these are not things he got from surgery, but they developed as he hit puberty. He says he's saving up for a sex-change operation because the doctors are telling him that there's no way male hormone injections will make him lose his wide, tall pelvis and pretty face. I feel sorry for the unfortunate creature and I do not believe this was a matter of choice on his part.
14 posted on 10/05/2003 4:21:26 PM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: independentmind
As I recall, some experts said there was about a 20% predisposition from genetics and early gestation biochemical factors.

The rest was/is considered to be environmental after birth.

The gestation aspect is that mothers who are experiencing a significant degree of chronic stress during the first trimester of pregnancy tend to produce a significantly higher percentage of sons who end up acting out a homosexual orientation.

Other genetic factors can be a sensitive, gentle, quiet, artistic etc. sort of temperament WHICH ENDS UP MATCHED WITH DESTRUCTIVE-TO-HETEROSEXUALITY parenting factors:

Those, of course, are the stereotypic cold, distant, harsh, absent, *UN*AFFECTIONATE and/or abusive father and/or a cold, harsh, shrill, punitive, controlling, smothering, distant and/or abusive mother.
15 posted on 10/05/2003 4:21:49 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: blam
Only 10% of homosexual men are born that way. The rest just get sucked into it.
16 posted on 10/05/2003 4:30:05 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: independentmind
I read a book a few years ago by a guy who had treated thousands of homosexuals. He said it wasn't genetic, but it was rooted very early in life - by 3 or so. He said if someone wanted to change, then about half the time he could help them. The other half found it extremely difficult to change. Of course, he could speak about those who did NOT want to change.

He also distinguished between voluntary & involuntary homosexuals. The involuntary ones I mentioned above. The voluntary ones became homosexual in their teens or because they thought it was cool. They could 'change' very easily.
17 posted on 10/05/2003 4:36:49 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Bubba_Leroy
But some of those get spit out.
18 posted on 10/05/2003 4:37:02 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("If you're going to shoot,shoot,don't talk" Tuco BenedictoPacifico Juan Maria Ramirez)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: blam
Estimates of how many people are gay vary from about 3 per cent of the population to 10 per cent or slightly higher.

Actually, BEST estimates are about 2.2 for men and 1.8 percent for women.

19 posted on 10/05/2003 4:39:21 PM PDT by cinFLA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Capriole

How would deal with the knowledge that your unborn child might be one of the strongly "genetic" gays...say through some novel pre-natal test?

In other words, just how pro-life are you?
20 posted on 10/05/2003 4:40:11 PM PDT by BabaOreally
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-65 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson