California gun owners, George Bush is watching you

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | October 6, 2003 | David Codrea

[Mr. Mojo]

Oh, and check out wheelgunguru's post #27. Perhaps you can call one of his friends who actually sells currently manufactured guns in CA.

[Lurker]

" I'm actually to the right of about 90% of those who post here."

Yea, that's the sad part. You actually think you're on the 'right'.

Pathetic.....

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[JerseyHighlander]

Davis signed the law today banning sales of roughly 85% of handguns in the state of CA. Arnold would not, and will not be able to overturn this law. He will have his veto overrided most probably. He wouldn't dare consider reversing the law anyway.

When can analogies to new CA and Brazil/Ecuador begin in earnest?

[LaraCroft]

Well, Fortunately, you see, When Bills are Signed into Law, they do Not go Into effect Immediately.

These Bills, the ones banning all currently made semi autos (real guns) go into effect in the next few years.

I'm sure your buddies dealers will be able to sell a few more before the ban takes effect. If they were honest though about the gun politics in CA, then perhaps people like you wouldn't be so ignorant of what is going on.

I had to listen to crap like this when the Assault Weapon Ban was passed too.

Maybe Wheelgunguru won't care about semi autos, but everyone who supports the Constitution does.

Here, to make it easy for you, type SB489 in your browser and stop bothering me.

[Roscoe]

And if Arnold decides he's had enough and say a RINO runs in his place who is only 1/2 of a Republican Arnold is

Who's that?

[Young Rhino]

Ah...The old regional play. FWIW, I'm a native of San Diego. If California ever gets its act together, I might return there to live. Until then, I'll be content to stay in Texas.

As for the name-calling, it is not my fault that your candidate whored himself to the Indian casinos and that he will lose.

Hint: One can be on the far right of the political spectrum without being a paleo brigadier and/or a social conservative. I know it is hard to comprehend. The only reason that I'm nominally a Republican is that the party has veered too far to the left for my tastes. I also have the good sense not to vote for fringe candidates and third parties.

[Young Rhino]

You actually think you're on the 'right'.

See post #46...fortunately, my political views are not defined by your ill-informed opinion.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Reportedly in Viet Nam, the US used some 50,000 rounds of ammo to kill each enemy combatant.

Ruby Ridge, Idaho and At Mt. Carmel, Waco, Texas the efficiency increased because We the People sat by and let a top down sanctioned, unConstitutional JBT training op and clean-up crew run wild over dead innocents including children.

The central government of incumbant rulers continue to have a problem with our Bill of Rights, the 1st and 2nd Amendments in particular since critical clauses of the 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th have long been corrupted, nullified, or ignored.

We the People have passively allowed usurpation after usurpation by rulers quoting "compelling State interests" officiously huffing "controlling legal authority" backed by armed force and prosedcutorial resources under gaveled doctrines of police powers of the State.

Politicians in and out of blackrobes undermine our ratified Constitution by redefining its words and clauses by proclaiming self-serving doctrines of the "living" Constitution, as cover for their outlaw rogue rule by Executive and Congressional arrogance and daring Judicial fiat.

The only lawful claim to governing authority by those wishing to rule us is under the specific limits of powers pursuant to the Law of the Land, our ratified Constitution. We the People effectively consent to be governed by armed officials only to the point of armed resistance as discussed by Thomas Jefferson and others, in great detail.

Republican, the Party of Lincoln, unConstitutionally invaded sovereign states which voted to leave the Union. The same type of power ueber alles government officials hold office today. Our Bill of Rights threatens them.

Our God-given rights to be armed in self-defense and defense of our ratified Constitution, affrirmed by our 2nd Amendment, extended to all jurisdictions by our RATIFIED Constitution's 14th Amendment, is challenged by those who believe that expanding police powers of the State are more important than the very social contract from which they derive any and all of their lawful authority.

Citizens have the right to keep and bear arms, state of the art arms of our choice. Our ratified Constitution so affirms it. The details of what's allowed by city, county, individual state, or federal laws and regulations are so much officious posturing, threatening We the People, prima facia unConstitutional. Our arms threaten those who threaten us.

Will our State and federal governments muster tens of thousands "police" with as many as 50,000 rounds apiece to threaten millions of armed American citizens with as many as a thousand of rounds apiece? Our Republic depends on who abides our Ratified Constitution, the people or rulers.

We shall take back this debate or face more than civil disobedience as we retire self-governance or those who seek to destroy from within our Constitutional Republic.

We the People will not ask permission.

In this time of Terror War, American armed citizens' valor will protect our Constitutional Republic and our children's chilren's free future.

[TLI]

It is currently illegal for a California resident to purchase an AR-15 variant of any kind.

The governor just signed a bill that will ban virtually all handguns currently offered for sale in this country.

The state legislature, for the past two years, has passed a bill through both houses to ban .50 BMG rifles. Tom will veto this, Arnold will sign it.

The state legislature, for the past two years, has passed legislation to apply a tax ( 10 cents) on each round of ammunition sold in the state. Next year, Arnold will sign it, while Tom would veto.

Just had an interesting thought...

when the (soon to be former) State of California falls into mexican hands, it will be virtually unarmed?

will this mean it fell because it was unarmed or..

it fell and provided no usefull armed population or was not a source of arms for mexico?

It fell because according to most theories here AS will give the people what they want... unfortunately the soon to be majority of the people of the state will want it "mexified"

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TLI

[Carry_Okie]

As for the name-calling, it is not my fault that your candidate whored himself to the Indian casinos and that he will lose.

You can start by telling the truth. McClintock did not solicit those funds and had no control over how they were spent.

One can be on the far right of the political spectrum without being a paleo brigadier and/or a social conservative.

If one relies upon subjective definitions one can call themselves anything they want. Supporting Arnold, even out of expediency, by calling it "half a loaf" is so far from accurate that it is either totally ignorant, as you have demonstrated above, or deliberately misleading. Take your pick.

I know it is hard to comprehend. The only reason that I'm nominally a Republican is that the party has veered too far to the left for my tastes. I also have the good sense not to vote for fringe candidates and third parties.

Apparently you don't have the good sense to realize when you are being herded like a lamb to slaughter over a stupid chimera.

[Charlotte Corday]

I'm simply amazed that some never grasp the simple concept that half a loaf is better than none.

"Half a loaf" to me would be proposing to cut the size of government by 20%, and compromising on cutting it by 10% instead.

Ping me when the GOP gets this sort of deal done, will ya?

[Mulder]

It's looks like Arnold is going to win, but nothing will change in California except for the fact that there will be a new sheriff in town to pass out the goodies. I suspect that this is the main reason many of the party elites are supporting him. They want a piece of the action.

Arnold is not going to do anything about the 3 issues causing Kalifornia to fail. These 3 issues are: a massive invasion of illegals from the south, a redistributionist state government coupled with massive state spending, and an assault on the Rights of Free men and women by the state government.

The 4th big issue is a hostile business environment, and Arnold is promising a small tax cut which amounts to little more than a drop in the bucket. This isn't going to change the fact that CA will still be hostile to business, let alone revive the state.

The end result will the continuing influx of illegals and outflow of productive Americans. California will likely go bankrupt. And since there is will be a "Republican" running the state, guess who will take the blame? Also, since there is a "Republican" in the WH, guess who's tax dollars will be spent to bail out California? Conservatives get to take it in the shorts, not once, but twice.

But it won't matter to the GOP elites and party bosses in California. They will have already gotten their plunder and will be laughing their way to the bank. And if things really get rough for them, they can always change to the demoncrat party. After all, they believe the same things the demoncrats do.

[Badray]

Not sure where the quote came from. I'm just pretty sure that it wasn't from the Bible.

[TERMINATTOR]

The left's favorite ideological ho...

Molon Labe!

[MileHi]

I'll BUMP to that.

[Bommer]

Better yet, let's sit home because no viable candidate passes the 100% purity test

Like Tom McClintock? Oh I forgot, he's not a "celebrity", just a better man for the job!

[Bommer]

And if Arnold decides he's had enough and say a RINO runs in his place who is only 1/2 of a Republican Arnold is

Who's that?

You mean the next Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee or Jim jeffords of California? Don't know, but they are out there. Compromise is the road that leads to hell. Waterdown what Reagan stood for and soon it'll be tasteless.

[Young Rhino]

Oh I forgot, he's not a "celebrity", just a better man for the job!

Tom would make an excellent state comptroller...not governor.

[Roscoe]

Don't know, but they are out there.

You couldn't think of a single "Republican" in California to the left of Arnold? Revealing.

[tpaine]

`Our God-given rights to be armed in self-defense and defense of our ratified Constitution, affrirmed by our 2nd Amendment, extended to all jurisdictions by our RATIFIED Constitution's 14th Amendment, is challenged by those who believe that expanding police powers of the State are more important than the very social contract from which they derive any and all of their lawful authority.
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Well made point, agreed to by most here, roscoe excepted, of course..

Any comments on state police powers today roscoe?