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(Val) Kilmer comments rankle N.M. lawmaker (about needing to carry gun)
sacramento bee ^ | 10-6-03

Posted on 10/06/2003 11:13:35 AM PDT by wheelgunguru

PECOS, N.M. (AP) -- Actor Val Kilmer has been talking about New Mexico, and one state lawmaker didn't like what he heard.

Kilmer, who has a ranch in the mountains south of Pecos, was asked about living in rural New Mexico in an interview published in a recent edition of Rolling Stone.

Kilmer told the magazine he carries a gun in his car.

"I live in the homicide capital of the Southwest," Kilmer said. "Eighty percent of the people in my county are drunk. So driving home on the highway, especially with kids, it's (carrying a gun) just a precaution."

Kilmer was also asked how he spends his time. After talking about feeding the animals and going to the watering hole, he put on a hick accent and said: "We shoot the automatic weapons at the trespassers and people a different color than us."

State Sen. Phil Griego, whose district includes Kilmer's ranch and who lives nearby, said Friday that if the actor doesn't like San Miguel County he's welcome to leave.

"He's shooting from the hip and he's espousing stuff he really doesn't know anything about," Griego said.

The lawmaker said the actor lives behind a gate and doesn't know his community.

A call to Kilmer's agent requesting an explanation of the actor's remarks was not returned.

John Hendry of the state tourism department said Kilmer actually loves New Mexico and its people.

"I don't believe for a minute he meant any of it. I know him and I have a feeling that you had to be there" to understand Kilmer's perhaps sardonic intent, Hendry said.


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1 posted on 10/06/2003 11:13:36 AM PDT by wheelgunguru
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To: wheelgunguru
> he put on a hick accent and said: "We shoot the automatic weapons at the trespassers and people a different color than us."

I read hick accent as a Southern accent.

2 posted on 10/06/2003 11:15:49 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: wheelgunguru
Kilmer should know better than to put on the press or democratic politicians. None of them have a sense of humor..... or a clue.

So9

3 posted on 10/06/2003 11:16:13 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (A Goldwater Republican)
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4 posted on 10/06/2003 11:16:33 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: wheelgunguru
Kilmer was also asked how he spends his time. After talking about feeding the animals and going to the watering hole, he put on a hick accent and said: "We shoot the automatic weapons at the trespassers and people a different color than us."

A simple test to determine whether a person is a Conservative or a liberal...If this show up on the national news...he's a Conservative.

5 posted on 10/06/2003 11:17:30 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: wheelgunguru
LOL! GO Val!
6 posted on 10/06/2003 11:18:38 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: wheelgunguru
I'm your huckleberry.
7 posted on 10/06/2003 11:18:53 AM PDT by stevio
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To: wheelgunguru
John Hendry of the state tourism department said Kilmer actually loves New Mexico and its people.

"I don't believe for a minute he meant any of it. I know him and I have a feeling that you had to be there"

Ha, yeah that was his other personality talking. He sounds like he's just full of love for the people of New Mexico. Why is there always someone around to make excuses for celebrities when they open their mouths and make fools out of themselves?

8 posted on 10/06/2003 11:19:10 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Dialup Llama
"I read hick accent as a Southern accent."

My grandmother lived all of her 95 years near the Wyoming - Montana border. Her father was born in Utah, and his father was born in Indiana.

She had a very distinct accent. Call it rural west, or whatever you wish. Some folks who might meet her WOULD call it "hick."

She never set foot in the south.
9 posted on 10/06/2003 11:22:55 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: wheelgunguru
Kilmer: "Eighty percent of the people in my county are drunk."

"Including myself!", he added.
10 posted on 10/06/2003 11:23:31 AM PDT by lelio
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To: wheelgunguru
Heh. "Lighten up, Francis!"
11 posted on 10/06/2003 11:24:30 AM PDT by Egon (I collect spores, molds, and fungus.)
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To: Onelifetogive
As I recall, Kilmer is a left wing jerk.
12 posted on 10/06/2003 11:26:57 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: wheelgunguru
Val Kilmer has some issues and personality problems. I don't know if I want him on my side.
13 posted on 10/06/2003 11:30:03 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: CdMGuy
I recall the same and what Rolling Stone magazine is goes without saying.
14 posted on 10/06/2003 11:32:36 AM PDT by xp38
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To: CdMGuy
As I recall, Kilmer is a left wing jerk

Then don't expect Brokaw, Rather and Jennings to lead with this story.

15 posted on 10/06/2003 11:34:16 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Tijeras_Slim; chookter; Travis McGee
Val was my neighbor for a while when he lived near Tesuque NM ........... Helped him pick up a load of hay bales he'd dropped one day all over the road. I didn't know who he was till I saw my girl friday all google eyed licking the glass on the truck window........:o)

I think more of the New Mex Meheca/Aztlan crowd and their polidiot keepers need to be pissed off and on every damn day ! Seditious buch of SOB's.

Stay Safe !

16 posted on 10/06/2003 11:36:50 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: CdMGuy
CdMGuy said: "As I recall, Val Kilmer is a left wing jerk."

This is the same Val Kilmer who played the voice of Moses in Prince of Egypt? The same Val Kilmer who eschewed Hollywood to live in the Southwest? The same Val Kilmer who packs a gun? Doesn't sound like a left wing jerk to me -- sounds like a good American, with a bit of Indian blood (Cherokee if I recall). Maybe he was tainted by his Julliard experience, but who wouldn't be?

17 posted on 10/06/2003 11:54:58 AM PDT by Mudcat
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To: wheelgunguru
"After talking about feeding the animals and going to the watering hole, he put on a hick accent and said: "We shoot the automatic weapons at the trespassers and people a different color than us."

I've been wondering what he's been doing lately. He hasn't made any movies in ages has he?

18 posted on 10/06/2003 12:00:21 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: everyone
From what I understand from a friend in NM, Kilmer is correct. The friend, who lives in Las Vegas, NM, notes that homicides are very common in the area. Mexican drug gangs killing each other like it was legal, and leaving dismembered corpses in the woods to show they mean business.

As I type this, the friend, owner of a Log home company, has allowed his on-site employees to come to work with sidearms because of threats from recently-fired employee accused of stealing $60,000 worth of sawmill equipment.

He has asked for police assistance. The local sherriff's office is reluctant to act because, as they told him, they fear being sued for racial profiling, and the commander of the local state police barracks had to be ordered to act by the Commander of the NM State Police.

The friend was approached by other employees last week who told him the ex worker is connected with organized crime elements in the Mexican Mafia, and is planning to burn his mill to the ground whenever the opportunity presents itself.

To that end, his employees have volunteered to stand night watch at the company, armed with SKS rifles and guard dogs until the matter is resolved.

It is certainly a sad state of affairs when a business owner who walks from his office to his car at night has to carry a 45 auto and a Rossi 12 ga double bbl Coach Gun.


Maybe if the police weren't hamstrung with fears of being labeled racial profilers, they could do their job.
19 posted on 10/06/2003 12:01:16 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun...)
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To: wheelgunguru
Why is this newsworthy?
20 posted on 10/06/2003 12:03:07 PM PDT by per loin
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To: stevio
"I'm your huckleberry."

You're a daisy if you do.

21 posted on 10/06/2003 12:04:45 PM PDT by truthandjustice1
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To: stevio
I'm your huckleberry.

"Say when!"

22 posted on 10/06/2003 12:06:31 PM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Armedanddangerous
I have lived in NM for almost 20 years. You don't really want to go anywhere in this state without your gun. Crime isn't real high here, citizens with guns keep it that way.
23 posted on 10/06/2003 12:07:05 PM PDT by wjcsux
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To: Armedanddangerous
He has asked for police assistance. The local sherriff's office is reluctant to act because, as they told him, they fear being sued for racial profiling, and the commander of the local state police barracks had to be ordered to act by the Commander of the NM State Police.


New Mexico has a demonrat for governor. He can not be expected to protect american citizens when it's the illegal mexicans keeping him in office. . . He likes to use New Mexico as a hide-out for texas democrats as well, but protect his own? Bah! Hum Bug!
24 posted on 10/06/2003 12:07:37 PM PDT by Roughneck (Like Terrorists? Vote for democrats in 2004.)
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To: Dialup Llama
I read hick accent as a Southern accent.

Whew!!....I feel better. I thought for a second there that they might actually have hicks in New Mexico as well.

25 posted on 10/06/2003 12:07:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: truth_seeker
She never set foot in the south

That's too bad. She sounds like she would have been mighty welcome.

26 posted on 10/06/2003 12:09:15 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: Armedanddangerous
"It is certainly a sad state of affairs when a business owner who walks from his office to his car at night has to carry a 45 auto and a Rossi 12 ga double bbl Coach Gun."

No, it's a sad state of affairs when someone is prohibited from doing so, as he would be if his business were in New York City.

27 posted on 10/06/2003 12:11:25 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: wheelgunguru
I love New Mexico too, and vacation there frequently - and I always carry a .45!
28 posted on 10/06/2003 12:12:40 PM PDT by Redbob (P14, cocked & locked)
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To: Squantos
LoL ....girls, pickups and oral fetish.....sounds great!

I used to know the Tesque area myself as a boy. My dad almost bought a place that borders Rancho Encantado in the early 80s. I have a branch of the family in Santa Fe and my dad was borned in Artesia.

I think Tesque is a bit north of that ranch/resort is it not?
29 posted on 10/06/2003 12:13:59 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: wheelgunguru
Best one liner ever "I'll be your huckleberry." Gives me chills to this day.
30 posted on 10/06/2003 12:17:28 PM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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To: Armedanddangerous
....add to this sad matter the statement that Pinhead in charge Tom Ridge made...."we cannot close the borders for political and cultural reasons"..........by close, he meant seal off areas between legal border crossings.


Hope you sleep soundly tonight.
31 posted on 10/06/2003 12:21:33 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: mass55th
I've been wondering what he's been doing lately. He hasn't made any movies in ages has he?

I imagine he'd be sorry to hear you say that since he's in the movie, Wonderland, which opened this past weekend. (Allbeit in very limited release.)

32 posted on 10/06/2003 12:22:08 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Redbob
Of course Bob, you are correct. But, here's the thing. Bill tells me that no one he knows goes out after dark unarmed. He notes that even a trip to the local grocery store is an interesting experience. You might be behind a construction worker with a holstered revolver, or another with a large bowie knife.

They know all too well that there are goblins out there who will bite you if given half a chance.

I CCW in West Virginia as a choice. In Las Vegas NM, he has no CHOICE but to carry, if he wants to live to retire.

33 posted on 10/06/2003 12:24:33 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun...)
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To: wheelgunguru
I don't recall Val Kilmer ever being particularly political. He has been quite about his person life. He has played some good characters in some good movies. I know he refused to do nude scenes. He had a body double in "The Doors". But what is he now? 50? Too late to be righteous about nude scenes.
34 posted on 10/06/2003 12:26:21 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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To: wheelgunguru
He is observant, funny, irreverant and he has a cool name.
35 posted on 10/06/2003 12:29:29 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
and the Salton Sea which I thought was quite good though un-nerving by it's nature.....much better than it's imitator "SPUN".

Kilmer is like Malkovich or Walken or any other interesting eccentric actor. He's fun to watch even in bad movies.



His Doc Holiday was as good as it gets in a modern Western.
36 posted on 10/06/2003 12:34:29 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: wheelgunguru
There is little doubt that New Mexico has a problem with drunken drivers. Basically it is a clash of new and old cultures. Just last year Santa Fe finally saw fit to close all drive-thru windows. This angered older residents who were used to driving with a Bud in hand. I am old enough to recall the days when most saloons in rural New Mexico were always located between two small communities so business could be derived from both communities. It seemed like every rural bar was named Half-Way, Mid-Way, Middle of the Road, or some other name indicating its advantageous location. One old saloon at Logan, NM was called The Road To Ruin; not a name that would go over well in most places in the US. Its a hard lesson for old timers to realize that the freedom they once enjoyed has been supplanted by the need to protect their more numerous neighbors. Once a State which had to tell potential visitors that they did not need a VISA to visit has been discovered and is finally moving into the twentieth century. Someday it will move into the twenty-first whenever it decides to become a red state on the election map instead of a blue one.

Muleteam1

37 posted on 10/06/2003 12:35:37 PM PDT by Muleteam1
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To: sandydipper
Yes, and how about this one after the gunfight: "My hypocrisy only goes so far." He was perfectly cast as Doc Holliday. Tombstone is one of my favorite movies of all time!
38 posted on 10/06/2003 12:37:32 PM PDT by MJemison
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To: Reagan is King
Ha, yeah that was his other personality talking. He sounds like he's just full of love for the people of New Mexico. Why is there always someone around to make excuses for celebrities when they open their mouths and make fools out of themselves? Oh lighten up Reagan. Are "why did the chicken cross the road jokes" the only acceptable humor now days? It takes at least a minimal amount of intellect to serve up sarcasm; which apparently takes too much thought for many dumdbed down Americans to understand.
39 posted on 10/06/2003 12:39:21 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: wardaddy
I thought for a second there that they might actually have hicks in New Mexico as well.

Only the imported ones like me.

40 posted on 10/06/2003 12:41:47 PM PDT by Cooter
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To: wardaddy
Wardaddy, I may have known your father. I lived in Artesia from 1942 to 1951 and grad of Artesia Hi. In fact leaving Thursday for High School Reunion. Taking my 38 revolver and knuckle buster that I carry in Arizona for varmits.
41 posted on 10/06/2003 12:46:27 PM PDT by drdemars
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To: wardaddy
His Doc Holiday was as good as it gets in a modern Western.

Wholeheartedly agree.

42 posted on 10/06/2003 1:04:24 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: wardaddy
>>I read hick accent as a Southern accent.

>Whew!!....I feel better. I thought for a second there that they might actually have hicks in New Mexico as well.

I'm sure they do. But what I was saying is I wonder how Val's 'Deliverance' imitation would go over if people heard him doing it. When the writer says hick, he is giving Kilmer a pass. If the writer accurately wrote that Kilmer was going around doing phoney Southern accents, it would make him seem sort of dopey.

43 posted on 10/06/2003 1:10:48 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: suijuris
Yeah, it takes a real genius to call 80% of your neighbors drunks and racists. You may think it's funny but I doubt if his neighbors do and that was my point. He may be accurate in his assessment but he's dumb for saying it to a reporter.
44 posted on 10/06/2003 1:27:08 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Squantos; Tijeras_Slim; chookter
Hey guys, please send me any interesting NM links that can help me research the background for "Domestic Enemies," AKA "Kosovo, USA."
45 posted on 10/06/2003 1:37:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Um, like what kind of links?

Just FYI--the native New Mexicans whose families have been here since the conquistadors can't stand the illegals (mojados) or even legal Mexican immigrants from the Mexican border states.

While some NM pols would have you think otherwise, NM is NOT pro-immigration. We have our own culture and it is more Spanish than Mexican or Mestizo.... More european than New World up in Northern New Mexico.

I have heard the Nortenos referred to as 'Hispanic Hillbillies'. They have no love for Mexicans (or even 'Anglos') showing up. They've been here 450 years....

46 posted on 10/06/2003 1:55:22 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Muleteam1
Do you live in NM? I'm in the research stage for my next novel, set mainly in NM, and I'm always looking for a link.
47 posted on 10/06/2003 4:24:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: chookter
What kind of links? All kinds. Maps, newspapers, demographic studies, info on gangs, drug trade, famous ranches, local scandals, anything interesting.

I'm in the research phase, like a dry sponge looking for leaky faucets.

48 posted on 10/06/2003 4:29:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Reagan is King
Yeah, it takes a real genius to call 80% of your neighbors drunks and racists

Pun intended?

49 posted on 10/06/2003 4:58:50 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: sandydipper
and the other really great line was in one of the "death wish" movies with bronson...don't remember the # but the one where the guy was trying to rape his daughter in the dorm and at the end he told bronson..i'll be back..you will have to deal with me again"...bronson said "no i won't" and popped him between the eyes!!!!!!!!! yee haw!!!!!1
50 posted on 10/06/2003 5:11:21 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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