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Homosexual Advocacy Groups Admit 10% Fallacy
AgapePress ^ | July 30, 2003 | Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 10/06/2003 1:06:24 PM PDT by robowombat

Homosexual Advocacy Groups Admit 10% Fallacy

By Ed Vitagliano July 30, 2003

(AgapePress) - For decades homosexual pressure groups have claimed that, since 10% of the population is homosexual, public officials should give credence to their political demands. Now it seems that when they absolutely have to tell the truth, activists admit the 10% figure is a myth.

The startling admission was made by a coalition of 31 homosexual advocacy groups, including the Human Rights Campaign, National Gay & Lesbian Task Force, and the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. In their brief filed in a recent U.S. Supreme Court case, Lawrence v. Texas, which dealt with that state's sodomy statute, the coalition said that only "2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual."

"That 2.1% figure [of the total population] even includes bisexuals, which makes the percentage of people claiming to be exclusively homosexual even lower," said American Family Association president Tim Wildmon.

The origin of the 10% myth is not difficult to uncover. In 1948, sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, a professor at Indiana University, began publishing his material about human sexuality in the U.S., work which would lead to the sexual revolution. Kinsey was the first to say that 10% of the U.S. population was homosexual.

However, in her groundbreaking 1998 book, Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences, Dr. Judith Reisman demolished Kinsey's research as being based on inept science and purposeful deception. Still, homosexuals continued to use the 10% figure in published materials and press interviews to bolster their demands.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Vitagliano, a frequent contributor to AgapePress, is news editor for AFA Journal, a monthly publication of the American Family Association. This article appeared in the August 2003 issue.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: deceit; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualvice; lavendermafia; lesbian; lgbt; lies; prisoners; sodomy

1 posted on 10/06/2003 1:06:25 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Well, well....

But still it does make one wonder, "Why'd admit it at all? Why'd admit it now?"

2 posted on 10/06/2003 1:13:44 PM PDT by yankeedame ("I assure you I was just whistling for a cab.")
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3 posted on 10/06/2003 1:14:31 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: robowombat
Homosexual Advocacy Groups Admit 10% Fallacy

Does this mean only 10% are males?

4 posted on 10/06/2003 1:22:15 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: theDentist
Does this mean only 10% are males?

No. That would be phallacy.

5 posted on 10/06/2003 1:24:06 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: robowombat
2.8% admitting to being homosexual and 10% actually being homosexual is not necessarily a conflict.

At least not unless you think everyone tells polsters the truth about their sex lives.

So9

6 posted on 10/06/2003 1:24:21 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: jimkress
Do they have their own erector sets?
7 posted on 10/06/2003 1:26:14 PM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: Servant of the 9
If this were 1948 and 2.8% admitted it, you might be right. But 2003?

I don't know. Given that city governments and businesses are extending benefits to the "life partners" of homosexuals, I would imagine there are a number of heterosexual guys living together saying they're gay for the bennies.

8 posted on 10/06/2003 1:31:02 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robowombat
The number is virtually certain to be higher (and that quote is also misrepresented from its context in the brief, which I've read). Some 5% identify themselves as gay or lesbian in U.S. election exit polls, and that's probably slightly understating the numbers. In the Netherlands, 8% of all marriages are now homosexual marriages.
9 posted on 10/06/2003 1:31:02 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: robowombat
They should all go back to the closets.
Ops4 God Bless America!
10 posted on 10/06/2003 1:32:12 PM PDT by OPS4
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To: robowombat
I thought 2% were admitted homosexuals and the other 98% just surpress it....
11 posted on 10/06/2003 1:37:05 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: robowombat
I think it was just last week that there was an article on homosexuality in Iceland. It went on to state that the gay population of Iceland was 1.5%.

I have read that the gay population in the US is in the 1 to 2% range, and the Iceland story, where they claimed to have accurate data, would tend to confirm that. I don't think that cold weather reduces homosexuality, although it likely cuts down on public park cruising during the Winter months (all 11 of them).
12 posted on 10/06/2003 1:46:39 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Support Free Republic
This has nothing to do with gays, but when I saw the photo of the kid kissing the Wall in the fund-raising post I got tears in my eyes.

When I finally went to the Wall - I put it off because so many of my friends are on it and so much of my youth is written on it - I broke down. Some other veterans - volunteers I guess, they had beards and their old hats on - came over to me and talked to me until I could go on. They said it happened all the time and it was a normal reaction.

Never forget all of those who died to make certain that Communism would never rule the world. NEVER.
13 posted on 10/06/2003 2:08:58 PM PDT by Steely Glint ("Communists are just Democrats in a big hurry.")
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To: AntiGuv
The number is virtually certain to be higher (and that quote is also misrepresented from its context in the brief, which I've read). Some 5% identify themselves as gay or lesbian in U.S. election exit polls, and that's probably slightly understating the numbers. In the Netherlands, 8% of all marriages are now homosexual marriages.

Perhaps not. Maybe they vote in higher percentages?

14 posted on 10/06/2003 2:13:03 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: AntiGuv
In the Netherlands, 8% of all marriages are now homosexual marriages.

Since the Netherlands only recently legalized gay marriages, it would be expected that they would have higher percentages in the first years.

15 posted on 10/06/2003 2:15:47 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
There have been reverse polls of gays & lesbians asking how many voted in a given election, and the figure if I recall correctly was not much different than the 50% nationwide turnout. Even if 80% of homosexuals voted, that would still put their percentage of the overall population at over 4% - even assuming that every one of them discloses to exit pollsters (and, keep in mind the VNS exit polls didn't ask anything about bisexuals or whether one had had homosexual sex without actually identifying as gay or lesbian..)
16 posted on 10/06/2003 2:26:05 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: yankeedame
Why not they got what they wanted "sodomy" is a civil right, and no closing that barn door.
17 posted on 10/06/2003 2:28:32 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: cinFLA
Higher percentages than what? It's true that there was almost certainly some backlog of Dutch homosexuals waiting to get married but it's also likely that there are a substantial number of closeted homosexuals who reduce the pool of potential marriages as well as a lower percentage of homosexuals who desire marriage versus the general population.
18 posted on 10/06/2003 2:30:23 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: cinFLA
Here is the Washington Post article which I'm citing, and it's more accurate to say "up to 8%" according to the article.

Gay Marriage Becomes Routine for Dutch

19 posted on 10/06/2003 2:33:57 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: cinFLA
Here is a source I found for the voting percentages (although I was actually citing figures I recalled from VNS in '98 and '00):

Gays Comprise 5 Percent of Electorate in 2002

20 posted on 10/06/2003 2:37:21 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
Those numbers, the ones used in the lawsuit, were based on a series of polls. They may be low but the various polls seem to correlate. Anyone evaluating our country by its television and movies would have guessed, oh, 62%.
21 posted on 10/06/2003 2:39:52 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Dilbert56
Those numbers used in the lawsuit were from the early Nineties (1991 iirc - published 1994) and the methodology of that study (which I've read as well, for a text I wrote) was itself extremely questionable. The only reason why the legal brief presented that particular figure to the Supreme Court is because the 1991 National Health and Social Life Survey is the only remotely government-sanctioned research to include an estimate of the percentage of gays and lesbians.....
22 posted on 10/06/2003 2:50:44 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dilbert56
OK, I found a web reference. The NHSLS research was conducted in 1992: National Health and Social Life Survey.
23 posted on 10/06/2003 2:53:23 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: robowombat
For decades homosexual pressure groups have claimed that, since 10% of the population is homosexual, public officials should give credence to their political demands. Now it seems that when they absolutely have to tell the truth, activists admit the 10% figure is a myth

The homosexual revolution is about having sex with whomever you want, when you want, just because you want to.

The power of the revolution is NOT in the percentage of people who are gay, which is tiny.

The power of the revolution is the popularity of its underlying sexual ideology with heterosexuals-which is enormous.

24 posted on 10/06/2003 2:54:19 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: robowombat
That's not too surprising. I always thought that little "tidbit" was suspect. Even when I'm hanging out in liberal circles... there is not even one gay person for every ten straight people.
25 posted on 10/06/2003 3:01:08 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: Jim Noble
The homosexual revolution is about gaining political power, for the purpose of having political, economic, and sociological control over families.
26 posted on 10/06/2003 3:01:25 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Dilbert56; cinFLA
BTW, the greatest problem [aside from dubious sampling] with the cited NHSLS study - just so you may judge for yourself - was their methodology of contacting and securing responses. Describing it from memory, what they did is mail some kind of interview request/notice followed by a phone conversation to set up a personal face-to-face interview. While this greatly increased the response rate (which was the purpose of the method selected) it casts serious question on the veracity of the responses insofar as 'controversial' topics such as sexuality are concerned...
27 posted on 10/06/2003 3:02:04 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Maelstrom
The homosexual revolution is about gaining political power, for the purpose of having political, economic, and sociological control over families

And everybody else.

28 posted on 10/06/2003 3:24:41 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: robowombat
Kinsey admitted that his definition of "homosexual" included anyone who had ever even had a prurient THOUGHT about another of the same gender, anyone who had ever had even a single homosexual encounter, and anyone who had ever questioned his or her gender.

He also admitted that a large portion of his sample came from prison populations, a group known to practice homosexual rape as a means of dominance.

The REAL figures on homosexual prevalence hover at around 1.5 to 2 percent. It's a figure that hasn't changed much in centuries, the gay lobby's lies notwithstanding.

29 posted on 10/06/2003 3:27:09 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: robowombat
And still, religious conservatives are convinced that recognizing homosexual marriage will lead to a massive social disruption . . . .
30 posted on 10/06/2003 3:31:47 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Maelstrom
The homosexual revolution is about gaining political power ...

In a sense. More accurately, it is a dialectical tool, a wedge that is being wielded by the Left to split the edifice of the status quo, to overthrow the values of the stodgy bourgeoisie and bring about the cultural (and political) revolution that will elevate the proletariat to their rightful station.

It has nothing to do with sex.

31 posted on 10/06/2003 3:32:44 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack; Jim Noble
I think the truth is somewhere between your two respective perspectives on the 'homosexual revolution'...

PS I also think that it's very much possible for the percentage of those engaging in homosexual activity to have been, say, 9% back in the 50s, 3% back in the early 90s, and 6% in the present time. I don't believe the overall evidence supports the concept of sexuality as predetermined at birth.

32 posted on 10/06/2003 3:36:52 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Servant of the 9
2.8% admitting to being homosexual and 10% actually being homosexual is not necessarily a conflict.

It is from a scientific standpoint. If one could just guess at the number since it is unidentifiable, why not claim 60% and call it a majority mandate?

33 posted on 10/06/2003 3:44:48 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J
f one could just guess at the number since it is unidentifiable, why not claim 60% and call it a majority mandate?

Even Liberals wouldn't believe that one.

My point is that it is a fools game because any possible survey is gonna be wrong.

So9

34 posted on 10/06/2003 3:58:45 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: robowombat
"...when straights are asked by pollsters for a formal estimate, the figure played back most often is the '10% gay' statistic which our propagandists have been drilling into their heads for years."

Marshall Kirk & Hunter Madsen in their book, "After The Ball"

35 posted on 10/06/2003 4:31:52 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The quality of Leftists is at Third World levels....)
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36 posted on 11/25/2003 9:00:42 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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