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California Recall Live Thread

Posted on 10/07/2003 5:34:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth



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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: adiosdavis; bewaredemvotefraud; ccrm; militaryvote; presstitutes
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To: Fledermaus
Ooops, I'm blind...I thought 4099 was 4999...yep, bedtime! :-)
4,101 posted on 10/08/2003 12:10:59 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU TAKEN OFF THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: Fledermaus
I don't believe in mandates. Winning elections give you the stage. If you perform well you get to keep it. If you don't you don;t get to keep it.

THat's all there is to it.

I'm just thinking that some RATS will think, look since our man got "more votes" than their man, why not turn the tables, make ARNIE win a yes/no recall. And let some RAT replacement have to win only a plurality.
4,102 posted on 10/08/2003 12:12:25 AM PDT by rightbanker
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To: rightbanker
No on recall is: 2, 373, 871 with 68% of precincts reporting
Arnie is at: 2, 320, 062
The margin has been wider. But Davis has been ahead of Arnie for quite awhile.


Wrong.

70.0 % ( 10661 of 15235 ) precincts reporting as of Oct 8, 2003 at 12:05 am

No 2,371,968
Arnold Schwarzenegger Rep 2,412,023

4,103 posted on 10/08/2003 12:12:53 AM PDT by ElCapitanAmerica
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To: rightbanker
Oddly, I have friends who voted "No" on recall and McClintock for governor for personal principle reasons (don't ask me). Yet these people absolutely despised Davis. A "no" vote on recall should not be construed as a "yes" vote for Davis. If there wasn't a vote for the recall and just a vote for governor, they would have given Davis the finger.
4,104 posted on 10/08/2003 12:13:06 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Joy Angela; All
Thanks for Listening, Folks:


'JOIN ARNOLD = STOP HILLARY'

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=28992
(The Thread)
4,105 posted on 10/08/2003 12:15:18 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: All

Movie from 1993: I was listening to Coast to Coast on the drive home tonight, and a caller said that Demolition Man prophesized that Arnold would become governor and then change the laws to become president... crazy... the writer should be a political analysis

4,106 posted on 10/08/2003 12:16:12 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: pulaskibush
Like many, I've cancelled my LA Times subscription. I cancelled it about 2 months ago but I like to call every few weeks. I called today and it went...something like this:

Me (pleasantly): Hi, I cancelled my subscription a couple months ago and I was hoping I could cancel it again.

Operator (confused): aaaaaa...

Me: Is my subscription still cancelled?

Operator (tap tap tap): Yes, sir I show that it is.

Me: Is this anyway I could cancel it again...just to make sure that it's really cancelled?

Operator (on to my smarta$$): No, sir is there anything else I can do for you?

Me: No, I just wish I could cancel my subscription again. Thank You.

I really shouldn't enjoy doing this as much as I do.
4,107 posted on 10/08/2003 12:16:40 AM PDT by RoarkMan (no tag line entered)
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To: RoarkMan
I haven't taken a paper in my life. One,you can get them for free almost anywhere and, Two, they are crap.

By the time papers are printed and distributed today, I've gotten the news they report hours before.
4,108 posted on 10/08/2003 12:19:20 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU TAKEN OFF THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: Porterville
Everybody likes Arnold, because he is genuine, he doesn't just pretend to care, he really does, and people sense that.

Even back in Austria they followed the election closely.

From Moscow to his hometown, world marvels at Schwarzenegger's victory

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/997224/posts
4,109 posted on 10/08/2003 12:22:10 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: rightbanker
Davis had no competition other than himself. Arnold had to deal with both Bustamecha and McClintock. You are comparing apples and oranges.
4,110 posted on 10/08/2003 12:25:03 AM PDT by bootyist-monk (It's Enrico Palatso!)
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To: FairOpinion
I have had a grin on my face for hours, and it won't go away... for once, finally, I have a lot of hope for California's future, for once I am proud of the California people... It is great.
4,111 posted on 10/08/2003 12:25:11 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: RoarkMan
Cheer up. The biggest GOP/pro recall swing in the state vis a vis the 2000 election was in you guessed it, Los Angeles County. Maybe a few smaller counties had a bigger swing which doesn't matter overall, but I doubt it. The swing against Davis in the recall election in LA County vis a vis the Bush vote was simply massive. A two to one Gore over Bush vote in LA county was reduced to maybe a 4-5%% Davis margin when all the votes are counted.
4,112 posted on 10/08/2003 12:30:23 AM PDT by Torie
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To: ApesForEvolution
Arnold did NOT run as a liberal. If he had, he would have lost. Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante ran to the Left and lost big. This was NOT a mandate to continue Sacramento's tax and spend ways.
4,113 posted on 10/08/2003 12:30:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: bootyist-monk
It doesn't really matter, of course. It's just a matter of what kind of line the RATS will spin. If Davis does come out ahead of Arnold, the same Sore Loserman types who still think Bush is illegit, will think something similar about Arnold.

Since it's pretty easy to get a recall started in CA, I wouldn't be surprised if those folks use the recall process for payback, especially if things go to hell and a handbasket in the next budget cycle here in CA.

You may not realize it but Gray and the dems -- with the help of a few repugs -- balanced the current budget basically by making it harder to balance the next budget.

We'll see what happens
4,114 posted on 10/08/2003 12:35:45 AM PDT by rightbanker
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To: All
I just read Prop 54. I think it's arguable that voters could be confused in thinking a "NO" vote supported the proposition.

I saw some misleading language in the proposal that could easily make one think voting "NO' was to stop the California government from collecting race data.

But that's just me.
4,115 posted on 10/08/2003 12:43:38 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I DONATED! HAVE YOU? DONATE NOW OR I'LL HAVE YOU TAKEN OFF THE DO NOT CALL LIST)
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To: Porterville
Interesting comment...not sure what you mean though. WOuld you mind elaborating on it? Thanks. Great night tonight!
4,116 posted on 10/08/2003 12:47:55 AM PDT by Queen Jadis
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To: rightbanker
We won the House
We won the Senate
We won the Exectutive
We continue to stock the Fed Judges with Conservatives
SCOTUS will earn 1 to 2 more conservative judges in the next 5 years.
TONIGHT WE WON THE DEM'S CROWN JEWEL OF CALIFORNIA.

If you want to find out what happens to the dems, just think of a little child losing everything, drip by drip, they will be focused on California and then.... they'll lose the California or New York Senate seats.

4,117 posted on 10/08/2003 12:48:39 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: Queen Jadis
People/States/Nations/Kings/CEOs will want to do business with California just to meet the governor.

Arnold is the slickest, the apex of marketing, he is the best marketing campaign in the most powerful state in the most powerful nation.... the Perfect Storm, in the most positive way.

4,118 posted on 10/08/2003 12:52:58 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: rightbanker
Actually, getting a recall together is a lot harder than the Rats want you to believe. Money alone won't do it. Right now, people want results, not payback politics. They will give Arnold a chance to start putting things into action, and if he rescinds the car tax and helps stop SB-60, he'll have more than enough political capital that any Rat-sponsered recall effort will die on the vine.

The budget deal was a complete shell-game that is already unravelling in the courts and on Wall Street, so the Rats are going to have to play ball on that score as well. The budget was not balanced as you claim. In fact, what happened is that 11 Billion dollars was moved off the books by borrowing against future budgets. However, this is illegal in California (you can't deficit finance over $300,000 without the consent of voters), so the budget deal is already being held up in court. And the bonds that were issued to provide the borrowed money are being rejected by investors.

The Rats realize that right now, Arnold has a bully pulpit unprescendented in California politics. This was as much about the Rat power elite as it was about Davis. The voters have put them on notice, and you could here it in the way some of the loyalists were talking... Brown, Sanchez, Burton were all sounding a note of cooperation.

Arnold's going to start with a complete, independent audit of the state's finances. That is going to be shining an uncomfortable light on quite a few legislators and Sacramento insiders.

I think the Rats are going to be willing to work with Arnold more than anyone can imagine.
4,119 posted on 10/08/2003 12:57:40 AM PDT by bootyist-monk (It's Enrico Palatso!)
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To: All
McClintock for US Senate in 2004!! DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER CANDIDATE AND WE WILL WIN THIS SEAT!!!!!
4,120 posted on 10/08/2003 12:58:50 AM PDT by ezed72
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To: Porterville
Thanks! What you say is worthy of repeating.

Arnold is the slickest, the apex of marketing, he is the best marketing campaign in the most powerful state in the most powerful nation.... the Perfect Storm, in the most positive way.

I lived in santa monica for many years and had friends that worked with Arnold. He revived Main Street and bought property and business to the area in the early nineties when it was much needed. I have found the whole recall to be fascinating. Especially for the obvious titles of his movies. He couldn't have planned the names for his movies better. Although the scriptwriters probably rue the day that they settled on the titles. It is an interesting time. The photos of Arnold a t the Century City Hotelwith the Shrivers (minus ted) is another deathnell to the increasing unfocused democrats. There is a delicious irony tonight.

4,121 posted on 10/08/2003 12:59:53 AM PDT by Queen Jadis
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To: ezed72
McClintock for US Senate in 2004!! DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER CANDIDATE AND WE WILL WIN THIS SEAT!!!!!

And have Issa or Simon fill the other seat.

Hershenson needs to be avenged.

4,122 posted on 10/08/2003 1:03:39 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: bootyist-monk
we'll see. I think you've got to distinguish between the office holders adn the activists.

It's just like the Howard Dean thing. The reason he's doing so well with the RATS is because he's the only one who really speaks to their deep alienation from Bush. The activists want Bush's hide in a major, major way. The office-holders, who went along (or so the activists think) with Bush on the war and on other things here and there, are sell-outs to these people and they want no part of them.

So what I'm saying is that even if the dems in the Sacramento feel pressure to work with Arnie, the RAT footsoldiers will want revenge and will seek a vehicle for that revenge.

It's may not be easy to get a recall going, but it also isn't all that terribly difficult -- especially in a hypercharged political climate.
4,123 posted on 10/08/2003 1:04:48 AM PDT by rightbanker
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To: rightbanker
It's may not be easy to get a recall going, but it also isn't all that terribly difficult -- especially in a hypercharged political climate.

I have the answer: No on recall.

spit on every democrat you see.

4,124 posted on 10/08/2003 1:11:30 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: All
Polls : Polls help scripts come true. Example : "43% want to keep Davis" (SURVEY USA, 10/6/03) .
Facts about Davis rallies : Davies is not able to gather anything that even slightly resembles a crowd in his rallies. For instance a total of 35 supporters showed up to hear Davis at Long Beach. From footage I estimate that there were no more than 300 people at his final rally.
Facts about the electoral process : machines (Touch-Screen) to make even the most unbelievable of scripts come true
Prediction : we are about to witness the largest electoral fraud that ever took place in a democracy.
Explanation : the last minute stories will be used to justify the "results". But I also think that it is the tacit acceptance of such polls that lays the basis for the coming fraud counting the votes.
Davis got no more than 20%. By reporting more than the double, and so preventing the Hitlery666 hot air balloon from exploding,

California witnesses the largest fraud ever in a democracy


4,125 posted on 10/08/2003 1:13:12 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Hey, did we win on prop 54 and 53??? Am I seeing correctly, the dems will not be able to gerrymander in the state of California?? And the sacks up in Sac will have to divert funds from the prison unions to build infrastructure???

Arnold is the ONE….

4,126 posted on 10/08/2003 1:18:11 AM PDT by Porterville (CALIFORNIA: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST)
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To: All; ALOHA RONNIE
Hot Election Tidbit!

After the Arnold Speech was over, and while my kids were popping and chasing balloons in the ballroom, there was an young woman who went on the stage and it looked like she had on only a bra and jeans.

I couldn't believe it. Then suddenly she pulled down more clothers, and well, lets just say camera-men were suddenly surrounding the stage and snapping away!

Then some security whisked her away!

Let's see if the media prints her picture!

A wild moment, from a WILD night!

4,128 posted on 10/08/2003 2:24:30 AM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
October 7, 2003 =

The Night HILLARY lost the Presidency.

I do hope this is true!

But, somehow I think she will rise from the ashes
to complete her mission.

In the video-movie "Hitler's Daughter" the character (Hitler's Daughter!) who is running for the presidency had a code name: The Phoenix.

(In mythology, the Phoenix dies in fire but rises reborn from the ashes)

The movie and book (same title) are worth reading and seeing!

4,129 posted on 10/08/2003 2:49:22 AM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Well, I am not so sure....it is GRAND that a coin operated (give him money, he gives you exemptions from his laws) governor was tossed by the people...however, I warned EARLY on that if Arnold doesn't cut spending and taxes, California will still go into default in the next couple of years and the ENTIRE GOP will suffer, along with the country.

However, it is a day to celebrate the removal (by California no less) of a liberal crook from office...always a great day when that happens.
4,130 posted on 10/08/2003 3:20:08 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: All
Davis will now be laying landmines for Arnold by signing every pending bill on his desk. They will go out of their way to sobotage the next 100 days to satisfy their DNC talking point of giving 100 days before they WILL start their own recall effort.

Now starts the parade of democrat "friends" who want to help educate arnold how CF gov. works.
4,131 posted on 10/08/2003 4:32:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: pogo101
Heheh. I think we're on to something here. Can you see him addressing the press? "You want to say something, you turd? Just because of your brilliant question, the rest of you drop down and give me 100!"
4,132 posted on 10/08/2003 4:33:45 AM PDT by LS
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To: 4Freedom
Mark for later reading.
4,133 posted on 10/08/2003 5:02:51 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: hoosiermama
Morning bump
4,134 posted on 10/08/2003 5:11:12 AM PDT by hoosiermama (I lost my mind years ago; But I'm just now missing it!)
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To: Sabertooth
"If you post it, they will come." Sheesh.

Yeah, but at least it helped pass the time until the real numbers started showing up. :-)

4,135 posted on 10/08/2003 5:19:57 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Wormwood
Remember, "Whenever a Democrat is Thrown Out of Office, An Angel Gets His Wings"

ROFL! LOL!

Prairie

4,136 posted on 10/08/2003 5:27:50 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (I'm a monthly donor to FR. And proud of it!)
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To: All
The latest numbers from the California Secretary of State website at 5:19 am Pacific Time shows Governor elect Arnold Schwarzenegger with 3,476,301 votes. This passes Gray Davis' vote count of 3,469,025 from the 2002 election.

This should add to the "legitimacy" of the election. Arnold also owns 47.9% of the vote as compared to 47.4% for Gray last November.

4,137 posted on 10/08/2003 5:30:28 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Excellent!
4,138 posted on 10/08/2003 5:50:31 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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To: Fledermaus
Now I can relax!

2003 California Statewide Special Election
Shall Gray Davis be recalled?


4,139 posted on 10/08/2003 5:58:34 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Free! Read my historical romance novels online at http://Writing.Com/authors/vdavisson)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
2003 California Statewide Special Election
Candidates to succeed GRAY DAVIS
as Governor if he is recalled:


4,140 posted on 10/08/2003 6:00:45 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Free! Read my historical romance novels online at http://Writing.Com/authors/vdavisson)
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To: ezed72
have to think about this for awhile-he tried to be a spoiler and would not support ARNOLD.
4,141 posted on 10/08/2003 6:05:56 AM PDT by camas
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To: Ichneumon
Wow, on CNN actor Rob Lowe just said (to Judy Woodruff, of all people) that Arnold will "bring more conservatism to this state that so badly needs it".

Just catching up on posts made since I went to bed last night.

I just have to say "I told you so!" about Lowe.

I posted several times, over the last few weeks, that I thought he had made some changes in his life from his younger days. He is a very strong supporter of President Bush and particularily our troops in the War on Terror.

I am so pleased to see he said this. I was hoping my perception was right.

4,142 posted on 10/08/2003 6:37:33 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Impeach the Boy
I apologize for the long delay... I hang with my family at night (no offense, fellow Freepers!).

...my point is that if one's action give victory to the enemy...

I understand your point, you misunderstand mine.

There are many ways for my "enemy" to gain advantage over me. Some are overt and some are more covert. There is the overt means of having an absolute 180 degree bassackwards ideologue (like Hitlery or Bustabutt) in power over me. There is also the covert means of continually giving me "the lesser of two evils." Over the years, as the bar lowers with each "lesser", I have to accept less and less. Somewhere, I either stand up for my beliefs or I never get the opportunity to vote for them again.

Conservatives should take great notice of this election. The Republican party decided to swing left to "win" this election. Those who thought we stood for something bigger than that, were apparently wrong.

The absolutely outrageous thing in this election is that there was a choice who wasn't the lesser of two evils but a near carbon copy of what we claim to want here on FR. However, we on FR chose to be pragmatic and turn our backs on "our" candidate out of fear of the bogeyman. Does anyone here feel they were led around by the nose by the media we so hate? THEY chose Arnold. THEY declared Tom unelectable. THEY gave all of the election oxygen to Mr Schwarzenkennedy. Those of you who said they would only vote for Tom if he were ahead in the polls on election day doomed him to failure by the very "tainting" of polls you routinely decry. YOU GAVE THEM THEIR AMMUNITION.

Your principles tell you to vote pragmatically, pushing the better choice to the side in favor of the one you've been told can actually win. Who told you this? The very party leaders and authorities we continually rail about on FR? The very media establishment that canonized Arnold as the Republican frontrunner (like Wesley Clark) as soon as he announced his candidacy?

Why is it that Tom can't win? Well, let's first see what it takes to win... To win, Tom needs more votes than his opponents. It takes us to vote for him. What will it take for us to vote for him? We have to know what he believes and see if it jibes with what we believe... he has to get his message out. What will it take to get his message out? It will take a lot of support. What does he not have? Support--not from the party, not from the media, not from you. Why? Because he's unelectable... it's a circular argument.

It's all moot now but my principles as an American say to vote my conscience. I shouldn't worry about my neighbor's vote. To game my vote or to vote strictly party line is to vote like a Democrat and a political lemming--not a man of principle.

At the end of the day, I will be who God called me to be. You can be what God called you to be. However, I am not less than you because I choose the better candidate and you choose to vote with the pack.

P.S. I'm not in CA anymore. I care about it's future and it's politics but my issue with this whole affair has been the subordination of conservative principles to a lemming pragmatism better suited to totalitarian regimes. It's not about Tom, it's about our future as a conservative voting population.

4,143 posted on 10/08/2003 6:46:51 AM PDT by pgyanke (God doesn't compromise... and He didn't call us to either!)
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To: cyncooper; yall
The Dog That Didn't Bark:

Sooooo, where was Bill???

There were TV cameras and no Bill Clinton. Is he deathly ill?

4,144 posted on 10/08/2003 6:51:01 AM PDT by null and void
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To: rightbanker
Not only is the "Yes" vote higher than Arnold's, so is Davis's vote.

More people apparently want to retain Davis as Governor than want to have Arnold as Governor.

But because Davis is not allowed to be a candidate to succeed himself, it doesn't mean anything.

California is a strange place.

What's strange and downright bizarre is your type of extremely twisted thinking.

The reality is very plain and simple:

More people wanted Davis OUT. They had a pot pourri to select from to replace him. By far, Schwarzenegger received the vast vast majority in that selection process.

4,145 posted on 10/08/2003 7:12:59 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The latest numbers from the California Secretary of State website at 5:19 am Pacific Time shows Governor elect Arnold Schwarzenegger with 3,476,301 votes. This passes Gray Davis' vote count of 3,469,025 from the 2002 election.

This should add to the "legitimacy" of the election. Arnold also owns 47.9% of the vote as compared to 47.4% for Gray last November.

Then redheaded John on MSNBC was using old numbers since the first thing I saw on tv this morning about an hour after your post time, was John showing Arnold had less votes (so far, I should note, but why the hell was he comparing them if not to "send a message") than Davis had gotten last time.

He did show 97% reporting in. And redheaded John is usually very good so now I'm perplexed with him pulling this number stunt.

4,146 posted on 10/08/2003 7:22:13 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: norton
I understood the rules - you must understand that my point is simply this - Davis is not permitted to be one of the run off candidates. Yet he could have gotten 49% of the vote and then, because he could not be in competititon with the 100 others, still lose to someone who only got 34% - do you see what I am trying to say about this?
4,147 posted on 10/08/2003 7:27:14 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: pgyanke
I share your concern, the concern of conservatives, regarding the GOP becoming the moderate party. I have often said that I dislike moderates more than liberals...at least liberals hold to their issues and stand for SOMETHING, even if it is wrong. I also understand the desire to act upon principle, in that you do not wish to hold your nose and vote for a moderate when there is a true conservative on the ballot. I hate that we are often faced with the lesser of evil choices....

But, having said that, I understand that liberals destroy whatever they touch from education to defense....it seems to me principled to at times chose the lesser of evils, and vote in a way that assures that the liberal is removed from office and replaced by someone who will at least do less damage to the country.

If McClintock was even, or slightly ahead of Arnold in the polls, I would have screamed with all that is in me for HIM to bow out..but alas, the vote shows that McClintock just did not have enough support to get elected, and at least this time, not enough support to put the democrat back in office.

I am NO fan of Arnold, and fear that if he does not take the tough steps necessary, then California will go into default, and the GOP at large will suffer, along with the entire nation.
4,148 posted on 10/08/2003 7:27:44 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: lstanle
BUT if Davis had been permitted to put his name up with the contenders he could have gotten 49% of the vote - don't you see how unfair it is to not permit him to run against the 100? If he got recalled by 51% and had 49% vote for him - and if he had been permitted to have his name in the contender list he would have gotten the 49% and then someone with less than that could not have replaced him.
4,149 posted on 10/08/2003 7:30:33 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: kkindt
I've read your arguments and they are vacuous. Davis has been recalled--fired--impeached by the electorate. That is the first question on the ballot.

The second question becomes who will replace the FIRED governor?

They are mutually exclusive questions. Your hypotheticals have nothing to do with reality.

4,150 posted on 10/08/2003 7:35:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (God doesn't compromise... and He didn't call us to either!)
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