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California Recall Live Thread

Posted on 10/07/2003 5:34:25 AM PDT by Sabertooth



Do it California. Post here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: adiosdavis; bewaredemvotefraud; ccrm; militaryvote; presstitutes
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To: null and void
Please Lord, don't let Rita Cosby at Fox News announce final election results. Amen.
751 posted on 10/07/2003 12:51:38 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: NathanR
Apparently only parts of Orange Co. have this optical scanner. As discussed in posts previously, here in No. Orange County, we had a single-sheet large paper ballot.
752 posted on 10/07/2003 12:51:41 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: Cboldt



The situation is even worse IF a non-punch is equivalent to a NO. IN that case, the NO point of view would have an inherent advantage.

It isn't, it's just an undervote, like any other.


753 posted on 10/07/2003 12:52:18 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Servant of the 9
Golden retrievers are the BEST! I am owned by three of them. A four year old female, a year old male,and a four month old female. Go Arnold!
754 posted on 10/07/2003 12:52:34 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: Maitai
Congratulations on figuring it out ~ Welcome!
756 posted on 10/07/2003 12:55:20 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Sabertooth
It isn't, it's just an undervote, like any other.

That appears to be the majority sentiment here. If neither YES nor NO is punched, there is theoretically no voter for that question, even though the same person may be a voter for Q2 and/or 53 & 54. The law says a majority of voters must vote YES for recall to succeed, and my question is basically what constitutes a voter for that purpose. You are saying teh person is a voter on Q1 only if either YES or NO is punched, otherwise, the person is not a voter for Q1. The contest is betwen YES chads and NO chads, not between YES chads and total ballots.

757 posted on 10/07/2003 12:55:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sabertooth; All
This just in, desperate Democrats trying to recruit more voters:

CLICK ON PIC!

758 posted on 10/07/2003 12:55:38 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Rush is mainlining THERA-GESIC® ;-)
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To: AFPhys
I agree.

California has worst road and highway pavement conditions in the nation. Source: The Road Information Program, December, 2001.


37 percent of major roads and highways in California are rated in poor condition, meaning they have potholes, cracking, and/or rutting. Resurfacing is necessary to repair the problem. Source: TRIP 2001.

Another 35 percent of California roads and highways is rated in mediocre condition -- this means 72 percent is either poor or mediocre. Source: TRIP, 2001.

California spends less money per capita on highways than any other state: $82 in 2000, just 56 percent of the national average of $147. Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota and Ohio round out the bottom of the list -- but all spend more per capita than California. Source: TRIP, 2001.

http://www.rebuildca.org/positions_RN_refile_main.html

759 posted on 10/07/2003 12:55:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: goldstategop
I am not sorry you voted that way. It is a choice you felt you should make as a Republican. Same with the McClintok voters, they felt as Republicans that is the choice they should make. I might not agree with your choice but I am not going to throw a temper tantrum and call you names. I find what has been going on in this election, a reason to thank our founding fathers for the system they set up. It proves the wisdom of holding primaries.
760 posted on 10/07/2003 12:56:33 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: sandyeggo
Your candidate vote counts even if you forgot to punch Q1. That's settled and quite clear to me.
761 posted on 10/07/2003 12:56:45 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: sissyjane
Muscle Bound Dogs For Arnold


762 posted on 10/07/2003 12:57:43 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Lady Heron
The good news is Arnold will have to run right if he hopes to be reelected 3 years from now. If he doesn't he'll be a one term wonder.
763 posted on 10/07/2003 12:57:49 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: sissyjane
Check out this website, if you're not already familiar with GRREAT: http://www.grreat.org
764 posted on 10/07/2003 12:58:04 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Jaded
If the recall yes vote is 50%+1 then does the law require the replacement governor to get 50%+1 of the candidate votes or just a majority?

Just that he/she have more votes that their opponants. with ~130 candidates the winner could be the new gubbner with 2% of the votes cast.

765 posted on 10/07/2003 12:58:05 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Dog Gone
"What time do the polls close in CA?"

Well, I think in Democrat districts they are open 24 hours...in Republican districts they are open from 2:00 pm to 2:30 pm.
766 posted on 10/07/2003 12:58:27 PM PDT by WarmLiquidGhoo (Hillary is a fembot)
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To: Sabertooth; Quilla
Exit polling:

RECALL: No - 57%, Yes - 43%


Bustamante - 33%
Schwarzenegger - 30%
McClintock - 17%

My source is my cousin's best friend's lover's mother-in-law. That's all I can say.

767 posted on 10/07/2003 12:59:03 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Maitai
Welcome to FR. Enjoy!
768 posted on 10/07/2003 12:59:08 PM PDT by null and void
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To: montag813
I don't mean to scare you, but here's some facts which will change your theory for the worse:

-No one needs to use a "common name" to attempt to vote in someone's place. They can pick a REAL name. The voter roll in each precinct is available to peruse. You may often see a binder of papers outside each polling place -- these are used by campaign workers to identify who has NOT voted so they may be contacted (i.e. precinct walking, etc.) and encouraged to vote.

-Poll workers do not ask for photo identification.

769 posted on 10/07/2003 12:59:14 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: null and void
The Democrats would love a situation where Davis lost but he got equal to or more than his replacement on the ballot. At least that's the scenario they'd like.
770 posted on 10/07/2003 12:59:35 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Cboldt
You are saying teh person is a voter on Q1 only if either YES or NO is punched, otherwise, the person is not a voter for Q1. The contest is betwen YES chads and NO chads, not between YES chads and total ballots.
Correct. Let's say there are five voters, with two not voting on Recall, two voting for, and one voting against. The Recall would pass, 2-1, even though there were three voters who didn't vote yes.


771 posted on 10/07/2003 1:00:04 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Coop
This is a joke???? Are you kidding???
772 posted on 10/07/2003 1:01:11 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: sissyjane
Would I kid a total stranger via cyberspace?
773 posted on 10/07/2003 1:02:24 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Servant of the 9
Nonsense, Golden Retrievers are smarter than the average independent, much less DemonRat.

And much less likely to poop on your carpet...

774 posted on 10/07/2003 1:03:17 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Coop
Los Angeles? Berkeley? Those are not "happy" results, but certainly believable for some parts of the state (from what I've been led to believe).
775 posted on 10/07/2003 1:03:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Coop; sissyjane




Would I kid a total stranger via cyberspace?

Patience, you're reeling them in too quickly.


776 posted on 10/07/2003 1:03:54 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Coop
My source is my cousin's best friend's lover's mother-in-law.
Wait a sec, is this the gay lover or the straight lover. It makes all the difference!
777 posted on 10/07/2003 1:04:52 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Coop
Payback is a ....


778 posted on 10/07/2003 1:06:02 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: Jaded
No. The replacement candidate need only get the most votes of those cast for a candidates, regardless of the margin for the recall question. Early on in the race, it was assumed that someone could win with as little as 15-20% of the vote.

It looks like Arnold may end up in the mid-40's.
779 posted on 10/07/2003 1:06:15 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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To: Coop
RECALL: No - 57%, Yes - 43%

Many Republicans are still at work.

780 posted on 10/07/2003 1:06:22 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Quilla
Now there's just no call for that.
781 posted on 10/07/2003 1:07:24 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: bootyist-monk
Hey, aren't you a bad Republican or something?
782 posted on 10/07/2003 1:07:33 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: concerned about politics
I'm a blonde, but Coop's "source" kind of clued me in that the post was tongue-in-cheek. Calm down, everyone!!!! :-)
783 posted on 10/07/2003 1:07:41 PM PDT by LBelle
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To: sissyjane
To the best of my knowledge under March Fong Eu, then CA Secretary of State, exit polling data cannot be broadcast in CA until after the polls close. That doesn't mean Drudge won't do it, however.
784 posted on 10/07/2003 1:08:14 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: ER_in_OC,CA
Poll workers do not ask for photo identification.

No, but they should, and fingerprints too.
It should be difficult to vote legally, and near impossible to vote illegally.

So9

785 posted on 10/07/2003 1:08:31 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: goldstategop
The Democrats would love a situation where Davis lost but he got equal to or more than his replacement on the ballot. At least that's the scenario they'd like.

Guaranteed! The winna will have ~1/3 the votes, No on recall will have about 40-45%

786 posted on 10/07/2003 1:09:10 PM PDT by null and void
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To: William McKinley
Guilty as charged.
787 posted on 10/07/2003 1:09:53 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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To: Coop
Exit polling:

RECALL: No - 57%, Yes - 43%


Bustamante - 33%
Schwarzenegger - 30%
McClintock - 17%




God help us, if this is true!

Dick Morris was predicting a Bustamante win.

I guess the McClintock voters may have achieved their desire, instead of Arnold beating Bustamante: 50% to 30%, we end up with Gov. Bustamante.
788 posted on 10/07/2003 1:10:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: bootyist-monk; All
Look everyone! It's Ted Nugent!!!!

Or are you George Carlin? I always forget...

789 posted on 10/07/2003 1:11:50 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
Dennis Miller

sheesh...

790 posted on 10/07/2003 1:12:14 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: dogbyte12
A judge ruled that you don't have to vote on q1 in order to vote on q2. A judge also ruled that abstentions on q1 count towards the 50% +1 requirement. These decisions were not appealed, to my knowledge.
791 posted on 10/07/2003 1:13:24 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: GOPrincess
I find it incredible that anyone with an IQ over 75 would skip voting on Question 1. Just incredible.
792 posted on 10/07/2003 1:14:51 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: FairOpinion; Coop
God help us, if this is true!

Dick Morris was predicting a Bustamante win.

I guess the McClintock voters may have achieved their desire, instead of Arnold beating Bustamante: 50% to 30%, we end up with Gov. Bustamante.

"If you post it, they will come." Sheesh.

Speaking of potential problems at the polls, my ballot was dated the day after the end of March.

Hey FO, if the recall loses 57-43, the result has nothing to do with McClintock voters.


793 posted on 10/07/2003 1:15:14 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: ambrose

Washington is leaking like a sieve, why can't I get a leak of the exit polls?


794 posted on 10/07/2003 1:16:01 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Maitai
You'll be the most well-informed person you know.
795 posted on 10/07/2003 1:16:12 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative ("We happy because when we switch on the TV you never see Saddam Hussein. That's a big happy.")
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To: FairOpinion
If its really NO, then Davis keeps his job. A Bustamante win won't matter. Where are these figures from?
796 posted on 10/07/2003 1:16:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Coop
Yipes! I realize exit polling is pretty much useless because the media usually swarms dem precints but....

If there are 20M eligible voters in KA....

If recall is with a total of 10M ballots counted on issue #1
No Recall 5.7M
Yes Recall 4.3M
(from exit poll numbers)

-and-

Say, a total of 7M votes for specific candidates in total ballots.

doesn't that sort of make the more that 50% on the recall question (that is not prominently displayed) meaningless?

That is to say if people either voted
1.) No for the recall
2.) Voted yes and picked a candidate
3.) Skipped that question and picked a candidate.
797 posted on 10/07/2003 1:17:24 PM PDT by Jaded (nothing but trickery abounds nowadays)
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To: Quilla


Scary resemblance

798 posted on 10/07/2003 1:18:11 PM PDT by abnegation
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To: goldstategop; Coop; FairOpinion
I believe that Coop is attempting to engage in some humor.
799 posted on 10/07/2003 1:18:15 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: FairOpinion
And remember, Tom did it for the money, not principles.

$3 million of Indian gambling money. Like Judas' 30 pieces of silver....

800 posted on 10/07/2003 1:18:44 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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